Major ship collision

[Adrianli]

Brings back my memory of studying "Rules of the road" at sea.

 

The naval ship was t-bone on the port side. Meaning that it must have seen the starboard side of the merchant vessel crossing its path. According to the book, the naval vessel should have given way to the merchant vessel.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea

 

15. Crossing situations When two power-driven vessels are crossing, the vessel which has the other on the starboard side must give way and avoid crossing ahead of her.^{[11][page needed]} The saying is "If to starboard red appear, 'tis your duty to keep clear".^[18] "...Act as judgement says is proper: port or starboard, back or stop her."      

[KapitanE]

Could it be that they detected late and they are already at full speed otherwise the collision would have been much worse?

 

Btw, if you read about the yokohama incident, you will wonder how the US navy is the most powerful in the world. They couldn't even conclusively say (the time) when the incident happened.

well, we can only speculate..... let's hope they will be able to find the bodies, there is still a chance, many years ago, the RSN lost a craft near Horshburg and the the surviving men were found hours later huddled together by a fishing boat, but some guys were lost too.

 

the USN incident in Japan, well time they know, but maybe someone mixed it all up with the different time zones kept onboard... the machine loggers may have been set to different times... someone may have forgotten to adjust it to the correct zones etc, these things happen on all kind of ships.

[Karoon]

Problem with these navy vessels is that they believe that they are above the law so they don't bother to follow the standard rules of navigation. RSS courageous is one example.

 

It's like those lorry drivers who heck care everything and just drive as if the whole road is theirs. Except in this case, they aren't driving a lorry but a jap kei car. When the meet an actual lorry (VLCC, VLOC, etc), then mati lor.

 

You don't see anyone ramming a carrier though right?

Thats true. Sailors will tell you they are wary of US ships any where because even though all have to respect maritime laws, the US navy ships often ignore and expect others to give way. I was told even the rank and file US navy sailors are not aware of this. So good luck if they go full steam ahead and expect supertankers to swerve last minute.. those big ships have the turning radius of the moon.

 

Slim chance to find survivors though half of me expect the unaccounted to be seen straggling out of orchard towers soon.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Karoon

[Kusje]

Anyway, more speculation.

 

Is it possible that someone or some country has installed some kind of virus into the US navy's navigation system (some stuxnet type?)

 

2 collisions in such a short time is very suspicious.

Problem with these navy vessels is that they believe that they are above the law so they don't bother to follow the standard rules of navigation. RSS courageous is one example.

 

It's like those lorry drivers who heck care everything and just drive as if the whole road is theirs. Except in this case, they aren't driving a lorry but a jap kei car. When the meet an actual lorry (VLCC, VLOC, etc), then mati lor.

 

You don't see anyone ramming a carrier though right? 

 

This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995.

 

Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.

 

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

 

Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

 

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

 

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.

 

Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.

 

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

[Spinelli_ck]

Anyway, more speculation.

 

Is it possible that someone or some country has installed some kind of virus into the US navy's navigation system (some stuxnet type?)

 

2 collisions in such a short time is very suspicious.

 

This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995.

 

Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.

 

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

 

Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

 

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

 

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.

 

Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.

 

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

 

cool story, but this narrative is obviously an urban legend. 

[Mustank]

cool story, but this narrative is obviously an urban legend.

The Chinese will say: this is a floating island

[Kusje]

cool story, but this narrative is obviously an urban legend. 

 

I found it on the internet so it must be true.

[Blueray]

7th Fleet commander to be relieved of duties as US Navy weighs impact of two crippled destroyers on its Asia missions

 

 

Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin, the three-star commander of the US Seventh Fleet will be relieved of command on Wednesday in connection with four collisions since January

 

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2107910/us-navy-relieve-commander-7th-fleet-after-warship-collisions

 

 

 

 

[premiumstar]

is it fair to relieve the commander from his duties?

[Mason016]

Why is it not fair?  One collision and I can attribute it to poor judgement by the ship's captain (and he was rightly relived of his duties), two collisions and I start to wonder whether the guy at the top is even looking at the operational plans, enforcing standards and putting the right people in charge.

 

 

Hmm, sounds familiar.... 

Edited August 23, 2017 by Mason016

[Kusje]

is it fair to relieve the commander from his duties?

 

Is it systemic? 

[Locknload]

Why is it not fair?  One collision and I can attribute it to poor judgement by the ship's captain (and he was rightly relived of his duties), two collisions and I start to wonder whether the guy at the top is even looking at the operational plans, enforcing standards and putting the right people in charge.

 

 

Hmm, sounds familiar.... 

It could also be to ensure that investigations are not hampered or jeopardized in any way

[Watwheels]

Read the link posted by Blueray. IMO it isn't fair to sack the admiral when the US Navy is so shorthanded. The problem is not with the individual but their navy as a whole. Things happen for a reason. No one person make so much impact on the accidents.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Watwheels

[Kusje]

BTW, this guy is due to step down in a few weeks anyway.

Read the link posted by Blueray. IMO it isn't fair to sack the admiral when the US Navy is so shorthanded. The problem is not with the individual but their navy as a whole. Things happen for a reason. No one person make so much impact on the accidents.

 

How come only this fleet got problem?

[Lala81]

BTW, this guy is due to step down in a few weeks anyway.

 

How come only this fleet got problem?

 

Could be crew fatigue as well contributing? Maybe they were on alert for the NK thingy possibly. 

 

There isn't really much going on in the atlantic. Only the usual watching out for pirates at somalia.

[Shibadog]

 

Brings back my memory of studying "Rules of the road" at sea.

 

The naval ship was t-bone on the port side. Meaning that it must have seen the starboard side of the merchant vessel crossing its path. According to the book, the naval vessel should have given way to the merchant vessel.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea

 

15. Crossing situations When two power-driven vessels are crossing, the vessel which has the other on the starboard side must give way and avoid crossing ahead of her.^{[11][page needed]} The saying is "If to starboard red appear, 'tis your duty to keep clear".^[18] "...Act as judgement says is proper: port or starboard, back or stop her."      

 

 

 

my PPCDL was taken 20yr ago but I think if the USN vessel was hit on its port side by the merchant vessel on its bow, it means the USN vessel was on the starboard side of the merchant vessel and had right of way. Assuming both vessels making way forward, not in reverse.

 

that being said, the assumption is that both vessels were on that heading for an appropriate amount of time and no deviation from course.

[TangoElite]

my PPCDL was taken 20yr ago but I think if the USN vessel was hit on its port side by the merchant vessel on its bow, it means the USN vessel was on the starboard side of the merchant vessel and had right of way. Assuming both vessels making way forward, not in reverse.

 

that being said, the assumption is that both vessels were on that heading for an appropriate amount of time and no deviation from course.

 

your interpretation is correct

 

more likely that the merchant vessel is at fault, not USS McCain

[Mustank]

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