Manager $6000/mth, reasonable?

[Chemmie78]

I URGE ALL TO GET OUT OF THE RAT RACE....start your own business....

[Maroon5]

ok maybe clarify....retire and be a taxi driver at 35...i guess this is what we shld all aim for...

 

haha and drive night shift circle around geylang and ktvs rite.

[Maroon5]

I URGE ALL TO GET OUT OF THE RAT RACE....start your own business....

 

ya everyone come out be boss and let FT be employees rite.

[Moredhel]

Cadidate particular:

Education: Postgraduate diploma from NUS

Experience: 12 years

Expertise: Control & Automation (advanced in PLC, DCS, SCADA, Instrumentation plus intermediate electrical panel design)

Nationality: Singapore PR

Ind Area: HVAC, Water treatment, food/beverage, marine, transport, pharmaceutical etc, except Oil&Gas.

Requested pay: S$6000/mth

but no one wanted to offer this pay

based on current market rate, kindly advise what is the reasonable pay for this position?

 

Quantum Automations?

 

Generally, even though you have 12 years experience, they question is your past track records and contributions.

This is more important in the Automation industry rather than paper qualifications. And what position of manager are you looking for? Project/Sales/Service?

 

The automation industry, like many others, is swamped with FTs in these positions. I deal with Siemens, ABB, QA, JCI, TAC, GE, Honeywell, Sauter, Keyon etc...

I meet around 40% FTs in managing(proj/serv) and engineering positions. However, the high fliers are generally Singaporeans who can bring in the dough.

 

From my understanding, the average pay for an entry level manager with no track records is around 3k to 5k depending on the complexity and roles defined. Siemens was aggressively recruiting recently due to the high level of responsibility and intensive job scope. The pay offered was rather good though.

 

Mid range managers with some contribution history can expect around 4k to 7k, with perhaps some profit sharing, again depending on the job requirements and available openings.

 

Senior managers are in the range of 6k - 12k basic with profit sharing involved.

 

 

My suggestion is that if you are good at what you do, join a mid sized company with room for expansion. If you are willing to start with a lower pay scale, when the projects starts rolling in, you're in a good position to command higher pay.

[Karoon]

to OP... u have my sympathy. What role are you looking for? Sales? Technical support? Design? In an in-house role or with a controls company?

 

I was in controls too. Life was not fun and I got out when the market started to get swamped by 3rd rate foreigners with dubious qualifications.

 

I'm sure u know controls is just one aspect of the whole industry,and the trends are owners want controls to be cheaper, easier, multi-interface and easily upgradeable.

 

Lots of managers look at a plant and got surprised at the capex and maintenance cost of control systems. The high cost is because the control system have all sorts of high-end features that took years to develop... eg redundant processors and cabling, OPC, MVFTs etc some are fine but many are excesses when all owners want are reliability and robustness.

 

ie There's been an overselling in controls and customers are paying the price (what's the call-out charge for a control guy these days?).

 

Now I see projects where investors are slashing the cost of controls (as they can't really touch civils, mechanicals, electrical costs without PEs crying foul) and saying they just want the basics. This is especially in the industries you mentioned. Oil, gas and power are a different ball game, and that's where the money is.

 

summary: all points above leads to salary stagnation for techies. Some hope in sales.

 

 

Cadidate particular:

Education: Postgraduate diploma from NUS

Experience: 12 years

Expertise: Control & Automation (advanced in PLC, DCS, SCADA, Instrumentation plus intermediate electrical panel design)

Nationality: Singapore PR

Ind Area: HVAC, Water treatment, food/beverage, marine, transport, pharmaceutical etc, except Oil&Gas.

Requested pay: S$6000/mth

but no one wanted to offer this pay

based on current market rate, kindly advise what is the reasonable pay for this position?

 

[Kyrios]

ok maybe clarify....retire and be a taxi driver at 35...i guess this is what we shld all aim for...

 

Now I know why people complain when FTs start to infiltrate the industry..it drives down our wages against a tide of rising food prices..and it feels like tilapia has been introduced into a freshwater lake...cannibalisation..

[Gearoil]

Ppl like TS who post such thread are eithier disillusioned or have not woke up yet...or both.

 

Time have changed...much.

 

Back in the 80 to 90s ...maybe got a shot at $5 to $6K...

 

Now can get FT......pay $3K....can choose from plenty...

 

Why as an employer...I need to choose you?

 

Becos you got NUS tiolet paper?

 

Nah!

[Axela72]

Sad to say 25 years ago, typically a manager salary is 5k. after 25 yrs with the increase of cost of living by don't know how much donkey time (e.g. 40k HDB flat then vs a 400k HDB flat now). The salary of a manager doesn't growth in parallel. If only the salary of a manager can be 50k per mth now[:p]

[Throttle2]

but he neber say offer $6k to do wat job.

 

if employ for table wiping, then i say $6k too low.

 

i confirm , way way way too low....

[Tigershark1976]

he got a postgraduate diploma, not a plain diploma..

 

still on the high side for manufacturing industry...

[Carben68]

Cadidate particular:

Education: Postgraduate diploma from NUS

Experience: 12 years

Expertise: Control & Automation (advanced in PLC, DCS, SCADA, Instrumentation plus intermediate electrical panel design)

Nationality: Singapore PR

Ind Area: HVAC, Water treatment, food/beverage, marine, transport, pharmaceutical etc, except Oil&Gas.

Requested pay: S$6000/mth

but no one wanted to offer this pay

based on current market rate, kindly advise what is the reasonable pay for this position?

 

Your salary is not tagged just to what you can do. There are other factors like communications, personality, management philosophy, potential... under normal circumstances I would say the $6,000 is the going rate.. assuming you want to be just normal...

[Carben68]

i confirm , way way way too low....

 

Maybe its just a one table cleaner?

[Carben68]

Sad to say 25 years ago, typically a manager salary is 5k. after 25 yrs with the increase of cost of living by don't know how much donkey time (e.g. 40k HDB flat then vs a 400k HDB flat now). The salary of a manager doesn't growth in parallel. If only the salary of a manager can be 50k per mth now[:p]

 

I don't think it was 5k.. I would guess more in the region of $2-3k for a white collar employee...

[Carben68]

Ppl like TS who post such thread are eithier disillusioned or have not woke up yet...or both.

 

Time have changed...much.

 

Back in the 80 to 90s ...maybe got a shot at $5 to $6K...

 

Now can get FT......pay $3K....can choose from plenty...

 

Why as an employer...I need to choose you?

 

Becos you got NUS tiolet paper?

 

Nah!

 

I have to disagree. I think that one should not put the blame on anyone else because one does not get what one wants.. work for it and you'll get what you deserve.. whether more than others, or less than others...

 

 

 

[Carben68]

First of all, what job is this candidate looking for? If I take that he is looking for something he's good at (e.g. Control & Automation), $6K for a manager role sounds reasonable. I have senior managers drawing more than 10K/month .

 

Ask the candidate to be patient, it takes time. 6 months to a year is pretty common these days to find a job.

 

Agree except that I would suggest that you let the job find you instead...

[Carben68]

nowadays seem v diff to find jobs...both my peers mid 30s jobless for more than 3 mths...both graduates.

 

There are many factors at play. A job is not an entitlement... I don't want to come across negative so best to just wish your peers all the best..

[5936]

Too low even for mg pay with experience.

Should be 8-10k

 

[Maroon5]

There are many factors at play. A job is not an entitlement... I don't want to come across negative so best to just wish your peers all the best..

 

yeah agree many many factors in play...but truth is its a vicious cycle of wage depression n heck those rosy employment stats, the ground is really not so sweet for majority ordinary folks. in the end it all goes down to adjusting expectations again n again.

 

anyw i also experienced it first hand jus last week...was offered a job w 3% increment. cham sia..