Old WW2 Relic disposals

[KARTer]

they mosty prolly settle in the board room

 

 

 

 

 

 

scissors-paper-stone

 

not compare their vital parts' length to decide who win?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rncw]

shhhhhhhhhh.... skalie GIC/Tekjmasek read this and pre-empt us by forming their own team for sgp govt to outsource... they are into all kinds of business/servises, you know

 

 

i think the company should be called "TOP HONCHOS PTE LTD" and the company slogan will be "TOP DOLLARS FOR TOP GARMENT. WE PROVIDE THE BEST LEADERSHIP" and also have cash-back warranty period on parts and labor....just like any merchandize

 

even our border security outsourced to AETEOS...so anything also can be oursourced

Edited June 23, 2011 by Rncw

[KARTer]

i think the company should be called "TOP HONCHOS PTE LTD" and the company slogan will be "TOP DOLLARS FOR TOP GARMENT. WE PROVIDE THE BEST LEADERSHIP" and also have cash-back warranty period on parts and labor....just like any merchandize

 

even our border security outsourced to AETEOS...so anything also can be oursourced

LOL....... good ideas

 

High time to outsource President... save the time/cost of holding an election...

[Rncw]

LOL....... good ideas

 

High time to outsource President... save the time/cost of holding an election...

 

can have package deals...but must have 3 quotes or more, then the citizens will vote for which quotes/packages..just like buying travel packages...engage 2 ministers, will come with free secretary, admin clerk that sort of freebies...5 ministers will have one free deputy ministers...then must have quarterly appraisals...

 

and voting can do online with SingPass logins

[KARTer]

can have package deals...but must have 3 quotes or more, then the citizens will vote for which quotes/packages..just like buying travel packages...engage 2 ministers, will come with free secretary, admin clerk that sort of freebies...5 ministers will have one free deputy ministers...then must have quarterly appraisals...

 

and voting can do online with SingPass logins

ya, 3-quote system must be used to ensure fair competition and transparency....

 

selection criteria:

A. salary quoted (cap at say $2m max, the lower the bid on salary the higher the score for selection as Presi)

B. background / experience

C. 'Distance' past and current from ruling party (the further the higher the score)

D. Proven track record of not-sleeping-on-the-job using prataman's performance as minimum benchmark after applying a x10 multiplier (eg if p'man average actual working hours is 1 per week, the min benchmark will be 1x10=10hr/wk )

E. others........ (pls add)

 

the yearly performance review (maybe 6monthly) is important. Successful candidate needs to provide a performance bond which will be forfeited if found lacking in his performance.

Edited June 23, 2011 by KARTer

[Scion]

i think they have clarified on the SOP...

but then CBRE should send a guy to verify on the spot and not rely on photos alone...

maybe they will want to review that

 

 

 

Police clear the air on handling WW2 relics

They will help even if items are found on private property, says director of ops

By Elizabeth Soh

 

THE police will respond to all calls for help when war relics are found, whether on public or private property.

 

Assistant Commissioner of Police Lim Kok Thai, the director of operations, said yesterday the police could have better explained the situation that arose at Sungei Kadut on Monday.

 

Speaking at a media briefing, he said some online postings and media reports had given the impression that the police do not manage war relics found on private property.

 

'I would like to dispel this notion,' he said. 'Police make no distinction between private and public property. The fundamental issue is one of public safety.'

 

The discovery of a 160kg war relic at Sungei Kadut at the weekend had sparked a scramble for the services of a private bomb disposal company.

 

'Maybe there was a miscommunication on the ground, and the perception that was conveyed was actually wrong,' he said. 'Regardless of public or private, we will respond if a call comes in.'

 

As to whether the police will look into how the misunderstanding happened, he said: 'We all admit we could have explained it better. But like all other cases, we have AAR, or after action reviews. From there, we can see what are the learning points, and how we can avoid misunderstandings and move on.'

 

On Sunday, construction workers at a future furniture warehouse in Sungei Kadut dug up the 160kg bomb. Not knowing what it was, they tried to sell it to the scrap metal yard next door the next day, but the owner recognised it as a war relic.

 

When the police were called in, they told Mr Raymond Yap, 64, the assistant manager of LHT Holdings, which owns the warehouse and had leased the Sungei Kadut site from statutory board JTC Corp, that they would not be able to help get rid of it as it was on private property.

 

Officers gave him the numbers of two private bomb disposal companies. Mr Yap hired two officers from security management firm Certis Cisco to stand watch over the relic that night. It cost him $600.

 

On Tuesday, when he was not able to engage either of the two disposal companies, he called the office of Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean, who is also Home Affairs Minister, for help.

 

Later that day, the Singapore Armed Forces' Chemical Biological Radiological and Explosives Defence Group (CBRE) turned up and removed the relic

 

On Tuesday, the police said in a statement that the CBRE, after assessing that the bomb could be safely disposed of by specialist contractors, 'advised that as the relic was found on private property, the landlord should engage the services of such specialist contractors to do so. Police accordingly conveyed this to the landlord'.

 

The statement also said that when Mr Yap could not get hold of a contractor, the police informed CBRE, and a bomb disposal team was subsequently deployed to remove the relic safely..

 

Mr Lim said yesterday that the owner of the warehouse has been reimbursed for the cost of engaging extra security guards.

 

Mr Yap said: 'I was under the impression that we would have to foot the bill, so I am glad for the reimbursement. I am just relieved that nothing happened and everyone is okay.'

 

Mr Lim explained police protocol when handling war relics.

 

First, all such cases should be reported immediately to the police. Property owners should not try to remove the relic on their own.

 

The police would then secure the site and photograph the relic. The pictures would be sent to CBRE to verify if the relic is a threat to public safety.

 

Officers will remove the relic immediately if it is deemed a threat. If not, the police would usually advise the owner of the property to arrange for its removal with specialist contractors.

 

Mr Lim said that if the owners are unwilling or unable to contact the contractors, the police would liaise with CBRE again.

'The police will remain in charge of the scene to ensure that disposal is effected in a proper manner, and that public safety is not compromised,' he said.

 

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[Xia0taizi]

i think they have clarified on the SOP...

but then CBRE should send a guy to verify on the spot and not rely on photos alone...

maybe they will want to review that

 

 

 

Police clear the air on handling WW2 relics

They will help even if items are found on private property, says director of ops

By Elizabeth Soh

 

THE police will respond to all calls for help when war relics are found, whether on public or private property.

 

Assistant Commissioner of Police Lim Kok Thai, the director of operations, said yesterday the police could have better explained the situation that arose at Sungei Kadut on Monday.

 

Speaking at a media briefing, he said some online postings and media reports had given the impression that the police do not manage war relics found on private property.

 

'I would like to dispel this notion,' he said. 'Police make no distinction between private and public property. The fundamental issue is one of public safety.'

 

The discovery of a 160kg war relic at Sungei Kadut at the weekend had sparked a scramble for the services of a private bomb disposal company.

 

'Maybe there was a miscommunication on the ground, and the perception that was conveyed was actually wrong,' he said. 'Regardless of public or private, we will respond if a call comes in.'

 

As to whether the police will look into how the misunderstanding happened, he said: 'We all admit we could have explained it better. But like all other cases, we have AAR, or after action reviews. From there, we can see what are the learning points, and how we can avoid misunderstandings and move on.'

 

On Sunday, construction workers at a future furniture warehouse in Sungei Kadut dug up the 160kg bomb. Not knowing what it was, they tried to sell it to the scrap metal yard next door the next day, but the owner recognised it as a war relic.

 

When the police were called in, they told Mr Raymond Yap, 64, the assistant manager of LHT Holdings, which owns the warehouse and had leased the Sungei Kadut site from statutory board JTC Corp, that they would not be able to help get rid of it as it was on private property.

 

Officers gave him the numbers of two private bomb disposal companies. Mr Yap hired two officers from security management firm Certis Cisco to stand watch over the relic that night. It cost him $600.

 

On Tuesday, when he was not able to engage either of the two disposal companies, he called the office of Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean, who is also Home Affairs Minister, for help.

 

Later that day, the Singapore Armed Forces' Chemical Biological Radiological and Explosives Defence Group (CBRE) turned up and removed the relic

 

On Tuesday, the police said in a statement that the CBRE, after assessing that the bomb could be safely disposed of by specialist contractors, 'advised that as the relic was found on private property, the landlord should engage the services of such specialist contractors to do so. Police accordingly conveyed this to the landlord'.

 

The statement also said that when Mr Yap could not get hold of a contractor, the police informed CBRE, and a bomb disposal team was subsequently deployed to remove the relic safely..

 

Mr Lim said yesterday that the owner of the warehouse has been reimbursed for the cost of engaging extra security guards.

 

Mr Yap said: 'I was under the impression that we would have to foot the bill, so I am glad for the reimbursement. I am just relieved that nothing happened and everyone is okay.'

 

Mr Lim explained police protocol when handling war relics.

 

First, all such cases should be reported immediately to the police. Property owners should not try to remove the relic on their own.

 

The police would then secure the site and photograph the relic. The pictures would be sent to CBRE to verify if the relic is a threat to public safety.

 

Officers will remove the relic immediately if it is deemed a threat. If not, the police would usually advise the owner of the property to arrange for its removal with specialist contractors.

 

Mr Lim said that if the owners are unwilling or unable to contact the contractors, the police would liaise with CBRE again.

'The police will remain in charge of the scene to ensure that disposal is effected in a proper manner, and that public safety is not compromised,' he said.

 

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I think netizens and the news sources are also to blame for sensationalise things. SAF holds one press conference, but not all new sources presented the same thing. Today did not show the protocol. If anyone reads Today, the same question on the protocol is still not answered.

[Yewheng]

I think netizens and the news sources are also to blame for sensationalise things. SAF holds one press conference, but not all new sources presented the same thing. Today did not show the protocol. If anyone reads Today, the same question on the protocol is still not answered.

 

So it seems like lack of communication between media and SAF and police force that cause misunderstanding ar?

[5936]

I wondor how many times the smart fellow can say this.

His almighty safety amulet has retired.

[Xia0taizi]

So it seems like lack of communication between media and SAF and police force that cause misunderstanding ar?

 

looks like it. we all complain SPF & SAF never tell us what's going on. but all the info we get are from middleman like yahoo news, Today, ST etc.

 

now classic example, go read these 2 articles:

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC11...l-of-war-relics

http://news.insing.com/news/police-s-clari...63a00?nav=50110

 

after reading i still dont know what is the procedure about. The article posted by Scion is more complete and answer more questions.

[Adrianli]

looks like it. we all complain SPF & SAF never tell us what's going on. but all the info we get are from middleman like yahoo news, Today, ST etc.

 

now classic example, go read these 2 articles:

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC11...l-of-war-relics

http://news.insing.com/news/police-s-clari...63a00?nav=50110

 

after reading i still dont know what is the procedure about. The article posted by Scion is more complete and answer more questions.

 

But with all reports, shouldnt the police be present to ensure that the war relic be disposed off properly instead of having some unlicensed company doing it or maybe some terrorist getting hold of it???

 

Why has this been pushed to commercial security personnel to do that??? Police too busy to stand guard???

[Bystander50]

Actually, a bomb is a bomb regardless how it gets to where it's found. It's a deadly weapon and nobody should take it lightly and allow it to be handled by someones who are not likely to be trained and disciplined in the best way. With due respect to commercial bomb disposal teams, i would rather trust the SAF experts instead of the former whose prime objective is to make money, unlike the teams from SAF (i hope).

 

Having said that, the SAF expert team should at least do a prelim examination to ascertain the risk level of the bomb found and decides whether it should be passed over to their commercial counterparts or otherwise. Asking for commercial team to handle the case as a blanket solution is not in the interest of public safety.

 

Having said that, did the authorities every thought of it where terrorist may attempt to buy this "scrap metal" from the foreign workers?

It's a scary thought that private security agencies had to be hired to guard this dangerous item instead of the real enforcement officers looking after it.

 

 

[Gearoil]

But with all reports, shouldnt the police be present to ensure that the war relic be disposed off properly instead of having some unlicensed company doing it or maybe some terrorist getting hold of it???

 

Why has this been pushed to commercial security personnel to do that??? Police too busy to stand guard???

 

Err...don't make the Poodles look so bad and irresponsible leh...

 

Just becos they don't want to punish the culprit who scratch your car...doesn't mean you can vent your fustrustion onto them whenever the opportunity comes along!

[Mazdaowner]

I wondor how many times the smart fellow can say this.

His almighty safety amulet has retired.

 

Temple take back, because the power kana abused.

[Xia0taizi]

But with all reports, shouldnt the police be present to ensure that the war relic be disposed off properly instead of having some unlicensed company doing it or maybe some terrorist getting hold of it???

 

Why has this been pushed to commercial security personnel to do that??? Police too busy to stand guard???

 

the police are present. but they are not doing the disposal work. they are not trained to do that.

 

dont jump to conclusion on the commercial security personnel part. its only a one side story from the "owner", reported through our bias media.

[KARTer]

So it seems like lack of communication between media and SAF and police force that cause misunderstanding ar?

Maybe all the govt agencies should chip in and outsource PR / CorCom function to the commercial experts............ the latter can easily turn black into white, and then back to black, and nobody knows the better...........

[Vulcann]

But with all reports, shouldnt the police be present to ensure that the war relic be disposed off properly instead of having some unlicensed company doing it or maybe some terrorist getting hold of it???

 

Why has this been pushed to commercial security personnel to do that??? Police too busy to stand guard???

 

The AC fella said police took full responsibility but the Mr Yap had had to engaged 2 security chaps to guard the "treasure" overnight leh.

 

What he said and what happened did not gel...

 

Now that Mr Yap was reimbursed with the security costs, what about future incidents?

 

What is going to happen?

 

Based on what the AC said, if the owner are unwilling or unable to engage the specialist to do the job, CBRE will step in.

 

Whatever happened to the "well-established practice"????

 

Like mentioned, piecemeal clarfications will invite even more talk i.e. criticisms and more speculations.

 

Their PR folks really have to pull up their socks.

 

Thought the MSK incident had wisened these folks up yes?

[Adrianli]

the police are present. but they are not doing the disposal work. they are not trained to do that.

 

dont jump to conclusion on the commercial security personnel part. its only a one side story from the "owner", reported through our bias media.

 

U sure??? Read the report again. The police reimbursed Mr Yap the cost of the armed guards leh. Why the police reimburse??? Not enough police to stand guard???

 

Mr Lim said yesterday that the owner of the warehouse has been reimbursed for the cost of engaging extra security guards.

 

Mr Yap said: 'I was under the impression that we would have to foot the bill, so I am glad for the reimbursement. I am just relieved that nothing happened and everyone is okay.'

Edited June 23, 2011 by Adrianli