Accident at Marine Parade roundabout

[Macrotrust]

the chart created is different from the marine parade roundabout. drive there tonight n you know what i mean. sometime in theory but be different in actual location.

[2BDriver]

U r contradicting cos u say that MUST HAVE EARLY AND CORRECT LIGHT INDICATION

 

but in this case the car on the right did not signal and exit left.

 

What do u say in this case?

Bro, Can you refer back to my Post#7. Thanks & Cheers

[macrosszero]

I think another point of the roundabout is that the cars that are actually IN the roundabout has right of way over cars that are entering the roundabout.

[Hamburger]

the chart created is different from the marine parade roundabout. drive there tonight n you know what i mean. sometime in theory but be different in actual location.

this is also what i am stressing all this while.......one has to go there and observe and understand how "most" drivers exit at MP roundabout.

 

the one illustrated is good but its very different from MP's.

 

 

[Steptronic]

Life is not that simple leh. Use back the diagram example, the red car intention is to exit at 1 o'clock. Now, not shown in the diagram, if a car enter at the 12 o'clock entrance at the outer lane wants to exit at 4 o'clock how? He can right? but the car exit at 1o,clock then bang.

 

I say always use signal and don't assume.

First of all singal is a fundamental thing, which everyone has to do...No arguement.

 

WHat we have been discussing is "right of the way". Taking your example, red needs to exit at 1'o clock, then red would move to outerlane just after 12. The new car entering the roundabout at 12 SHOULD NOT enter at all as there is a traffic hindering his entrance. The new car will enter after red car clears and quickly move to innerlane. This will move out to outer just after the exit which is one exit before his exit (I would say after exit at 3'o clock)!

 

You can assume exits at any clock position, but rule remains the same.

[2BDriver]

Hi Fongmy,

You do see it in the proper perspective. 50/50 likely although I would think that TS would have a fair chance since the other driver had not formed in the right position or checked if it's safe to exit by misjudging the vehicle in the blind spot etc.. etc.. Unless TS has the ability to give way safely without causing accidents to rear vehicles by urgently slow down, the onus is more on the vehicle who slammed into TS. It is somewhat similar to the driver who had an accident with an SMRT bus whereby he couldn't do much to avoid that accident. Hence, the one who CAN CONTROL the outcome should have greater liability than one who doesn't.

It's unfortunate to see comments of some posters who apparently seemed to have forgotten the basic rule of highway code.

Hi, Bro Neutralsg,

Good Day.

I really feels that a good set of dashboard video camera is worth to invest for our drivings in anywhere on the roads, next time round if we do happen to meet-up for chit chatting, I'll promise to tell you more about how my dashboard camera did save me out from freaking incidents, be it traffic issues relevant or not, the video clip helps alot.

If you are still driving without the dashboard camera ? I would like to advise you just like my other fellow love ones..."Please Have It Ready"

[Brianlee_sg]

First of all singal is a fundamental thing, which everyone has to do...No arguement.

 

WHat we have been discussing is "right of the way". Taking your example, red needs to exit at 1'o clock, then red would move to outerlane just after 12. The new car entering the roundabout at 12 SHOULD NOT enter at all as there is a traffic hindering his entrance. The new car will enter after red car clears and quickly move to innerlane. This will move out to outer just after the exit which is one exit before his exit (I would say after exit at 3'o clock)!

 

You can assume exits at any clock position, but rule remains the same.

 

So exiting from inner lane is not advisable. The logical things to do is to filter to outer lane the exit before your exit if possible. Bring this to TS case and MP roundabout, I think TS is not wrong and have a case perhaps?

[Fcw75]

The marine parade roundabout has had many accidents. Seen bike banged into car, car into car, etc. Even taxi driving straight into the drain at the centre instead of going round the roundabout. Shortcut perhaps?

 

Anyway, the marine parade roundabout has NO lane markings. Drive with caution there and anticipate what the car next to you will do.

[Happily1986]

bros who said that vehicles on right most lane of a 2 lane roundabout can have the prerogative to turn right, answer me.

 

why does the left lane have lane markings denoting straight going and left turning arrow whereas rightmost lane has marking for straightgoing arrow only?

[Neutralsg]

Hi, Bro Neutralsg,

Good Day.

I really feels that a good set of dashboard video camera is worth to invest for our drivings in anywhere on the roads, next time round if we do happen to meet-up for chit chatting, I'll promise to tell you more about how my dashboard camera did save me out from freaking incidents, be it traffic issues relevant or not, the video clip helps alot.

If you are still driving without the dashboard camera ? I would like to advise you just like my other fellow love ones..."Please Have It Ready"

Hi Bro,

Good day to you too!

I haven't got one and at the rate drivers are pushing blame here and there while the insurers are taking advantage of the insured, I'll have the seriously consider getting one too although I rarely drive these days. I fully agree that the advantages overrides the disadvantages especially in claims. One incident when the camera could have saved me was when I was front ended by a reversing cabbie who did not stop reversing for about 20 metres until my car 'told' him to stop!. Then, I was just outside my car waiting to fetch my family and therefore couldn't blast my horn. I couldn't believe that such a thing could actually happen! Guess it's just one of those days when things can really go wrong beyond your control.

Have a great week ahead!

[Neutralsg]

The marine parade roundabout has had many accidents. Seen bike banged into car, car into car, etc. Even taxi driving straight into the drain at the centre instead of going round the roundabout. Shortcut perhaps?

 

Anyway, the marine parade roundabout has NO lane markings. Drive with caution there and anticipate what the car next to you will do.

Thank you for the confirmation. It says a lot about how it should actually be traveled although most may not be aware due to its width but at least used their discretion to avoid getting into accidents.

[Nuahster1]

If red takes exit at 9'o clock and green wants to take at 12, then both of them are at wrong lanes. In this situation, I would say green should give way to red by either slowdown or move to innerlane. Idealy, red should have been at the outer lane and green at the innerlane. Green should change to outer lane after 9'o clock position to exit at 12'o clock.

 

If red wants to exit at 12 and green at 3, then red should move to outerlane after 9'o clock. Green should move to inner as soon as it enters the round about. After 12'o clock position, it should move to outerlane.

 

yup i agree with you on what should be idealy done base on the scenario.. but of cos accidents do happen

 

like what bro fongmy mentioned, if we all practice tt, would definitely help to prevent alot of accidents

The rule of the thumb in our driving, " Slow Down / Give Way / Must Have Early and Correct Signal Light Indication for Lane Changing and Turning / Keep Left Before and After for Left Turning / Keep Right Before and After for Right Turning "

 

[Nuahster1]

Not that green car "shldnt be on the left lane", but that red car should be on the left lane.

 

agreed bro, not that the green car "shldnt be on the left" but the red car should be on the left lane,

 

but we do have alot of funny drivers in SG, and accidents happen like in TS case. So i'm saying in the event of an accident should it happen, given the scenario, how wld the insurances companies decide who to fault, haha, most of the cases i heard is 50/50 so I'm quite curious myself.

[Kopites]

In that marine parade roundabout, it is assume the outer lane car will exit the next exit otherwise keep inside the inner lane. if you are inner lane, you need to signal left just in case some kuku driver who dont live there may not understand the roundabout. as it can accomodate up to 2 cars. i have used the roundabout for many years, see so many drivers accident there . use common sense. just 2 cents

 

Can accomodate two cars doesn't mean can accomodate two heavy vehicles. No lane marking mean that round about theoritically should be single lane round about. The right car(visualised inner lane) should not be there in the first place. He/she should be in line with TS. So many kay kiang driver thinking their car is small so can squeeze in and make it two lanes.

Edited April 10, 2012 by Kopites

[2BDriver]

yup i agree with you on what should be idealy done base on the scenario.. but of cos accidents do happen

 

like what bro fongmy mentioned, if we all practice tt, would definitely help to prevent alot of accidents

Be Alert with Sharp Anticipations of others around you is part of defensive driving skills, decisive and quick actions to stay clear will steers towards another joyous day in driving

Let's Drive Safe and Cheer

[Bleuzone]

Fully agree with the digram in post #44, car on the left (outer lane) has a choice whether to exit or go straight. Car on the right (inner lane) cannot exit from where he is. He needs to move to the left lane first if he wants to exit. For crying out loud, its a roundabout. If you are on the right lane and miss your exit, just make another round and move to the left lane first before you exit! TS, I believe you are right in this case. Now if only you have a cam on board...

[Neutralsg]

Can accomodate two cars doesn't mean can accomodate two heavy vehicles. No lane marking mean that round about theoritically should be single lane round about. The right car(visualised inner lane) should not be there in the first place. He/she should be in line with TS. So many kay kiang driver thinking their car is small so can squeeze in and make it two lanes.

Yes. This is how it should be viewed. Sadly, many qualified drivers seemed unaware of this basic rule of the thumb. Needless to say, when a large vehicle e.g. a bus travels within that roundabout, it is unlikely cars will attempt to squeeze the bus to create a 2 vehicle lane, since its turning radius will compel rear vehicle to follow failing which, risks being brushed.

[Atonchia]

If you are at the outer lane going to Amber road, then you should turn left. Because it's a two lane entry towards Haig road direction.

The vehicle on the inner lane of the rounabout can exit on the right side of the two lane.

 

Even if you are making a u-turn, the exit is 3 lane that merge to 2 after about 150 metres, so even at the inner lane still can make it to the u-turn.

 

This roundabout only two main exit should have less difficulty. Please drive with more care.

 

Newton circle has lanes clearly marked out so has less issues.

Edited April 10, 2012 by Atonchia