Military talk thread

[macrosszero]

Chinese military jets that crossed into Singapore FIR on May 31 'not deemed a threat': Ng Eng Hen

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/china-military-jets-cross-singapore-fir-not-a-threat-ng-eng-hen-15163944

[Nolicense]

20 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

Chinese military jets that crossed into Singapore FIR on May 31 'not deemed a threat': Ng Eng Hen

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/china-military-jets-cross-singapore-fir-not-a-threat-ng-eng-hen-15163944

no wonder malaysia wants it back

[inlinesix]

24 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

Chinese military jets that crossed into Singapore FIR on May 31 'not deemed a threat': Ng Eng Hen

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/china-military-jets-cross-singapore-fir-not-a-threat-ng-eng-hen-15163944

“Mr Giam then asked how Singapore can ensure that state aircraft entering Singapore FIR do not have hostile intent.

In detecting hostile aircraft, said Dr Ng, the RSAF looks at various aspects such as their movement and whether they have filed flight plans.

Pointing to the 350 incidents that the RSAF responds to each year, Dr Ng added that the RSAF has had to use its judgment according to strict protocols in some of those instances.

"Let me again emphasise these 350 incidents has got nothing to do with questions that the two Members have asked," he added.

"Because they have framed their questions in a way that can actually give rise to misunderstanding and misinterpretations."”

[Nolicense]

36 minutes ago, Beregond said:

there is a saying if u break it u own it.

US  and their allies break afghanistan. they own it to the local afghanistan ppl and soldiers that fight beside them for the last 20 years to give them a way out.

 

i watched the youtube on the brit dismantle the base bastion.

hand over office and bunks. no radar, no tech, no mine detecting equipment, no bullets, nothing to help the afghan army fight.

i wonder what the value of the base is for them to even bother defending it. virtually worthless base other than the runway. zero strategic value, indefensible flat desert. 

[macrosszero]

6 minutes ago, Nolicense said:

no wonder malaysia wants it back

Pedra Branca isn’t the justification when it comes to FIR in my opinion. FIR is not analogous to territory, rather more related air traffic control, though it confers upon it a certain oversight authority. Although Changi probably handles a lot of international traffic pre-COVID, its reach deep into SCS is interesting……considering KLIA and Bangkok also has decent levels of traffic.

[Beregond]

44 minutes ago, Nolicense said:

no wonder malaysia wants it back

, state aircraft - which includes military aircraft - are not required to do so under international law.

Dr Ng said many state aircraft from many countries typically do not file flight plans or contact the air traffic services authority.

if all our opposition can do are asking such unless stuff that serve no purpose. then i am really disappointed.

[Nolicense]

1 hour ago, Macrosszero said:

Pedra Branca isn’t the justification when it comes to FIR in my opinion. FIR is not analogous to territory, rather more related air traffic control, though it confers upon it a certain oversight authority. Although Changi probably handles a lot of international traffic pre-COVID, its reach deep into SCS is interesting……considering KLIA and Bangkok also has decent levels of traffic.

i think this was historically under sg control so ICAC leaves it to sg. i think they review it now and then. sg has the best systems and hardware so they leave it to sg to manage.

nothing to do with pedra branca i believe.

[Volvobrick]

45 minutes ago, Beregond said:

, state aircraft - which includes military aircraft - are not required to do so under international law.

Dr Ng said many state aircraft from many countries typically do not file flight plans or contact the air traffic services authority.

if all our opposition can do are asking such unless stuff that serve no purpose. then i am really disappointed.

Asked important questions like how many delta workers coming in under ceca also cannot get answers. All hush hush secret secret, don't expect any real debate. Only raw numbers don't lie. 

[Nolicense]

42 minutes ago, Beregond said:

, state aircraft - which includes military aircraft - are not required to do so under international law.

Dr Ng said many state aircraft from many countries typically do not file flight plans or contact the air traffic services authority.

if all our opposition can do are asking such unless stuff that serve no purpose. then i am really disappointed.

state aircraft - which includes military aircraft - are not required to do so under international law.

yea i did not know this, but yea military ships and aircraft have FON under UN. again there are rules on FON.

actually im not too concerned about it.

[Playtime]

4 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

Chinese military jets that crossed into Singapore FIR on May 31 'not deemed a threat': Ng Eng Hen

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/china-military-jets-cross-singapore-fir-not-a-threat-ng-eng-hen-15163944

I'm sure if they choose... it's easy to just wats app some friends on the Malaysian side saying.. " bro.. strange leh.. picked up multiple UFO going your wayu.."

All absolutely officially deniable. 

[Playtime]

4 hours ago, Beregond said:

i dun blame the soldiers on the ground, they just follow orders.

but they fighting side by side the afghanistan soldiers for 20 years through life and death already . i would say many of them are as close as bros.

suddenly just leave in the middle of the night?? i dun expect any farewell parties , but at least some hug and hand shake etc.. 

Whatever one says.. they removed the Taliban and gave $trillions and 20 years plus thousands of lives  to help Afghanistan.

If the Afghans still can't decide if they want Taliban style or not, no one owes them anything anymore. 

And yes the Afghans can and should have defeated the Taliban in combat long ago. They have proven they can fight,  if they won't.. no one else should have to do it for them. 

[Playtime]

On 7/5/2021 at 10:21 PM, Macrosszero said:

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/singapore-reclaim-land-around-pedra-branca-build-facilities-improve-search-and-rescue?fbclid=IwAR1YiAMYWvfiXsqcEZHkP6it3NZFZO1M3l50q7Q_No5xrex9Oe5IyHYmLF0

• The Housing and Development Board will reclaim land around Pedra Branca
• The development work will improve facilities on the island, let vessels berth and allow more facilities to be set up
• It will take a few years to complete 
• The work, announced in 2019, had been postponed owing to a sovereignty dispute with Malaysia

The typical Nimitz aircraft carrier deck is 1.8 ha, whereas this proposed reclamation will be 7 ha. I reckon it'll become Singapore's own unsinkable aircraft carrier, though I hope we don't become embroiled in the looming SCS dispute as a result. 

Wa lau... just outsource the contact to  China la..

You'll have a resort PLUS  airport thrown in  before our new PM is crowned 🤣

[macrosszero]

1 minute ago, Playtime said:

I'm sure if they choose... it's easy to just wats app some friends on the Malaysian side saying.. " bro.. strange leh.. picked up multiple UFO going your wayu.."

All absolutely officially deniable. 

Officially, it would be quite a stretch to have radar reach out 1,600km to the coast of Palawan, its probably impossible to detect those "UFO" coming in. It is literally beyond the horizon and then some. Rather than a discussion of technical capability it is more one of authority of enforcement, that civilian traffic need to ring up Singapore to inform them of their passage, but with non-civilian traffic, fair game. 

[Playtime]

12 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

Officially, it would be quite a stretch to have radar reach out 1,600km to the coast of Palawan, its probably impossible to detect those "UFO" coming in. It is literally beyond the horizon and then some. Rather than a discussion of technical capability it is more one of authority of enforcement, that civilian traffic need to ring up Singapore to inform them of their passage, but with non-civilian traffic, fair game. 

I think it's pretty clear this contact was actually passed on by rsaf.

[Beregond]

1 hour ago, Playtime said:

Whatever one says.. they removed the Taliban and gave $trillions and 20 years plus thousands of lives  to help Afghanistan.

If the Afghans still can't decide if they want Taliban style or not, no one owes them anything anymore. 

And yes the Afghans can and should have defeated the Taliban in combat long ago. They have proven they can fight,  if they won't.. no one else should have to do it for them. 

i think u are mistaken. the US  and their allies certainly did not remove the taliban at all. it fact the way thing are going, i bet they gonna reunite and take control of Afghanistan by this year or next

the taliban and the Afghans are the same ppl. after being bomb by US for 20 years the taliban keep growing in number and str, where u think their numbers come from?? its from the normal  Afghanistan ppl.

the US  went in push the taliban to the mountain , set up the current Afghanistan gov by themself and make them fight the Taliban.i guess i can call them the puppet rules of  Afghanistan for the US?? 

Now thing have fail. The US slap their own backside and run? ,leaving their puppet to fend for themself?? after 20 year of bombing by US  and trillions of money pour in , but the puppet with US help still fail to take control of Afghanistan?? why?? its obvious the majority of Afghanistan citizen dun support the US  and their puppets. why? with trillions of money pour in to help the life of Afghanistan ppl they still cannot gain support??

obviously things on the ground is not what they say or report.

 

[Sosaria]

11 hours ago, Playtime said:

Whatever one says.. they removed the Taliban and gave $trillions and 20 years plus thousands of lives  to help Afghanistan.

If the Afghans still can't decide if they want Taliban style or not, no one owes them anything anymore. 

And yes the Afghans can and should have defeated the Taliban in combat long ago. They have proven they can fight,  if they won't.. no one else should have to do it for them. 

The americans are not great at nation-building. Unlike other colonial power like the british, who prepared their colonies for independence by building up the infrastructure, educational level, political involvement of the local people. Granted, some british ex-colonies still devolved into a mess, but i think the americans do even more badly.

Americans just throw a lot of money into the countries they get involved in. But turn a blind eye to whoever's running the local government as long as it is favourable to them. Same thing happen in south vietnam and philippines. They nurtured unpopular and corrupt dictators, this in turn encouraged the local resistance movements, civil conflict, never-ending. Then the americans bug out.

This is repeating in afghanistan.

[Nolicense]

19 minutes ago, Sosaria said:

The americans are not great at nation-building. Unlike other colonial power like the british, who prepared their colonies for independence by building up the infrastructure, educational level, political involvement of the local people. Granted, some british ex-colonies still devolved into a mess, but i think the americans do even more badly.

Americans just throw a lot of money into the countries they get involved in. But turn a blind eye to whoever's running the local government as long as it is favourable to them. Same thing happen in south vietnam and philippines. They nurtured unpopular and corrupt dictators, this in turn encouraged the local resistance movements, civil conflict, never-ending. Then the americans bug out.

This is repeating in afghanistan.

this is the way it has been since colonisation started anywhere. africa, asia, latin america. if it is majority white then is different outcome.

look at south africa. minority white but implement apartheid. 

hk would have been a useless slum if not for china. first the opium trade, then when china open up.

what you mention is partially right. in india, they are rich in resources. would have done fine without colonisation

vietnam under the french would have done fine without them too. philipines under the spanish too.

japan escaped colonisation. look how rapidly they modernized. i believe the brit never prepared their colonies for independence in mind. if not for ww2, they would have carried on.

[macrosszero]

2 hours ago, Sosaria said:

The americans are not great at nation-building. Unlike other colonial power like the british, who prepared their colonies for independence by building up the infrastructure, educational level, political involvement of the local people. Granted, some british ex-colonies still devolved into a mess, but i think the americans do even more badly.

Americans just throw a lot of money into the countries they get involved in. But turn a blind eye to whoever's running the local government as long as it is favourable to them. Same thing happen in south vietnam and philippines. They nurtured unpopular and corrupt dictators, this in turn encouraged the local resistance movements, civil conflict, never-ending. Then the americans bug out.

This is repeating in afghanistan.

Their involvement is just good business  - drives large purchases of military hardware, reconstruction, and makes those countries indebted to them, etc.