SG new PM

[Vratenza]

PAP is a dirty word these days..... Even the most ardent and blind supporter will find it hard to argue against the tidal waves of arrogance, ground disconnect, bad policies, blatant waste of tax payers money to fix oppositions and many others. 

 

 

Many closet PAP supporter...

 

[Datsun366]

Legolas explaining stroke to the oliphaunt.

 

 

Two hobbits needed. 

 

[Datsun366]

[Victor68]

Taiwanese just about to wake up after many years of sleeping. Whike it is true they have been chit chatting instead of focusing on development and trying to be americans, we have our own shortfalls.

[Wind30]

Taiwanese just about to wake up after many years of sleeping. Whike it is true they have been chit chatting instead of focusing on development and trying to be americans, we have our own shortfalls.

Really? I thought singapore is doing much better compared to taiwan

[Carbon82]

Singaporeans are damn creative ð

 

秀才遇到兵 有理说不清

 

When scholar met soldier, it is difficult to reason with them about theory. (Scholar uses theory, while soldier use force).

[Yuendi]

PAP is a dirty word these days..... Even the most ardent and blind supporter will find it hard to argue against the tidal waves of arrogance, ground disconnect, bad policies, blatant waste of tax payers money to fix oppositions and many others.

I wish you are proven right. We shall see.

[Yuendi]

He wants single-party rule. That in itself is already enough for me to write him off.

 

Please dont tell me about 3-room flat and has no money when growing up. What described were experienced by majority of Singaporean born in the later 60s and early 70s. And I dont even own a watch

[Playtime]

I said you getting personal, did I mention you name calling me? 

 

And you now admit that you are calling me names because you feel i started it first? 

 

Show me what names i called you. 

 

Get the facts correct first. 

 

 

Tianmo, on 22 Nov 2018 - 11:27 PM, said:

Never mind, I am not in the mood to lower my IQ and entertain.

 

 

Ash2017, on 23 Nov 2018 - 6:11 PM, said:

Tianmo he may be jealous because you entertain me leh.

 

I entertain you because you do have substance, and it keep my mind working and my IQ in check trying to figure out your moves. Also at the very least i do respect your persistence/stubborn attitude.  

 

I am gifted with the abilities to  smell an empty vessel from a distance, and to such ppl i am never stingy with gun powder.  

 

 

Playtime, on 23 Nov 2018 - 1:05 PM, said:

What if they actually have a duty schedule.. all take turns like it or not

[Playtime]

PAP is a dirty word these days..... Even the most ardent and blind supporter will find it hard to argue against the tidal waves of arrogance, ground disconnect, bad policies, blatant waste of tax payers money to fix oppositions and many others. 

 

 

well.... Tharman would have been someone with the stature and substance to bring about change.. and no one inside is likely to try to play punk with him. too bad he knocked out of race... by Race  ....

 

previously, George Yeo had reputation as quite a progressive thinking man too, the ONLY general with such reputation. but his "know your place" talk was a surprise. He was said to have been pushed aside long before losing the GRC.

 

 

maybe theres a pattern ... too popular... out you go  !!!

[Yuendi]

Edited November 25, 2018 by Yuendi

[Tianmo]

Any of the post directed at you with a name? If you want to admit these were directed at you, its always at your own will. 

 

Ban me? You can always go ahead and make a report sld you feel you have a good case to it. You have all the right. 

 

Otherwise take this from me that I will be  watching you, any more  fake news  coming from you again will get me to hit the report button not only to the admin here. 

 

 

Tianmo, on 22 Nov 2018 - 11:27 PM, said:

 

 

Ash2017, on 23 Nov 2018 - 6:11 PM, said:

 

I entertain you because you do have substance, and it keep my mind working and my IQ in check trying to figure out your moves. Also at the very least i do respect your persistence/stubborn attitude.  

 

I am gifted with the abilities to  smell an empty vessel from a distance, and to such ppl i am never stingy with gun powder.  

 

 

Playtime, on 23 Nov 2018 - 1:05 PM, said:

 

 

New gang members told to beat up others is to train guts, in their term is call 练胆, simi LJ to prove commitment? 

 

Commitment is done through the praying ceremony and the swearing to their deity. 

 

If you dont know, dont talk cock!!!

 

Also, if you dont understand the meaning of Prime Minister and Acting Prime Minister, go check it out before you shoot. 

 

Dont spread fake news. 

 

 

 

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dude... look back on your post history in just this thread. perhaps you post so much and so quickly.. you lose count. 

its been a good thread and no one else does this kind of thing in spite of disagreements and views.

Seems only you are making personal attacks and throwing shade all over, .. in some "serious" forums, you'll be banned long ago just on etiquette grounds.

 

no one needs to agree with anyone, no one is here at anyone's graciousness either, that is the beauty here. 

Definitely no one is a "MM" here.

peace out.

 

 

[Playtime]

秀才遇到兵 有理说不清

 

When scholar met soldier, it is difficult to reason with them about theory. (Scholar uses theory, while soldier use force).

 

 

i have actually been in a meeting.

the No2 got a bit too "pro active", and the No1... in front of all the key folks, basically say that while he is retiring soon, until it happens he expect No2 to "know his place".

it sure made the air con feel particularly veryyyyyyyy cold that day. but... i suspect this happens in many other places....

[Wind30]

when you are receiving benefits

 

brainwashing

 

benefits seem to be coming from PAP generosity and not government

 

 

people don't realize gov is not PAP and PAP is not gov

 

as long as it does not happen in my backyard will continue to vote for same same

Actually the pap is the government. I am quite surprised people don’t realise it.

 

All the good or bad policies our country implemented did come out from PAP.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Wind30

[Victor68]

Really? I thought singapore is doing much better compared to taiwan

Taiwan is way ahead of singapore and hong kong but they took a break to do their internal fights and be american. If they woke up again, i am pretty sure singapore will not be able to match them.

[Wt_know]

Taiwan is way ahead of singapore and hong kong but they took a break to do their internal fights and be american. If they woke up again, i am pretty sure singapore will not be able to match them.

yeah taiwan is busy with politics in-fighting for now

especially kmt lost to dpp for presidential

when they wake up ... can regain the “asia small dragon”

taiwan has plenty of talent and their people is “hungry”

taiwan has a lot of resources too

the biggest challenge and set back to taiwan is natural disaster

Edited November 25, 2018 by Wt_know

[Playtime]

from KJ, its sometimes amazing how all the actors are actually so connected 1 way or another.

 

https://kenjeyaretnam.com/2018/11/24/from-shiny-shoes-to-seat-warmer-the-career-progression-of-a-pap-apparatchik/

 

 

When I was studying economics at Cambridge in 1980 I remember one occasion when I invited a group of Singaporeans studying Economics round to dinner at my college, Queens’. Most of this group were Government scholars that included Shaun Seow, who later became the head of Mediacorp. I did not benefit from a Government scholarship so I had had to complete NS first  and I was about two/three years older than the scholars. It was a jolly occasion.

During dinner I remember being momentarily blinded by the light reflected from a pair of highly polished shoes belonging to one of the scholars. I recall him as being small in stature and also fairly reserved and quiet though pleasant and polite.  Even if the other scholars hadn’t used his rather disparaging nickname  “Little Police scholar” his shiny shoes would have been a huge clue.

Swee Keat did not reciprocate the dinner invitation and I did not see him again after uni. Like his predecessor at MOF, Tharman, whom I got to know a bit better, he was careful to heed the PAP health warnings and not let any association with me damage his career prospects or financial health.

It came as no surprise therefore, to learn via state media that Little Police Scholar, my old Cambridge colleague Heng Swee Keat, has been appointed as the PAP’s first assistant secretary-general which based on past precedent means that he will be the next PM when Lee Hsien Loong decides to step down.  Before long our Little Police Scholar will be the biggest Policeman in our land.

Despite a fairly undistinguished academic record (he got either a 2:1 or 2:2), Heng has ascended rapidly up the well-trodden Civil Service/PAP fast track escalator. In Singapore we have seen that the Civil Service and PAP political office are interchangeable. As the PAP has a cadre system, copied from the Soviet and Chinese Communist Parties and in turn copied by every other political party in Singapore except the Reform Party, Heng would not be appointed unless he was the chosen candidate of Lee Hsien Loong.

Talking about family dynasties is almost a criminal offence here in Singapore. The Government is quick to claim “meritocracy” whenever anyone questions the fitness of the Lee family, their wives and relatives to get the lion’s share of plum jobs and pay themselves outrageously (and secretively) . The Lees we are told, have these positions, not because they are a dynasty but  because their academic qualifications are better than any other candidate’s.

This is difficult to claim in the case of  Heng Swee Keat who did not have a stellar academic career.  So now state media is taking a different tack, calling in the usual safe, pro-PAP talking heads such as Eugene Tan or Gillian Koh to label him as “humble”,  a “consensus builder” and a “likeable character”.   It is true that, in the words of Winston Churchill, Heng Swee Keat is a modest man who has a great deal to be modest about.

The PAP changes its tune whenever it suits them. It would be impossible to describe LHL as humble or possessed of any shred of EQ  so in his case the selection criteria for PM role are based on academic achievement. When academic achievement doesn’t stack up then selection criteria is based on personal qualities. When the PAP doesn’t want a brown PM, “the people aren’t ready for a minority PM”. When the PAP does not  want another very able former PAP MP to be President the criteria is ethnic minority only.

In case anyone thinks I am on the side of the elitists,  I have never believed that a first class academic record means that someone will automatically make a good leader or politician.  I am merely interested in demonstrating PAP hypocrisy. All the things that the state media are saying about Heng could have been said about his predecessor at MOF, Tharman, who was undoubtedly better qualified to be PM. Unfortunately Tharman is not a member of the Majority Race so was never in the running. Nor would LKY have tolerated someone from an inferior race as his PPS.

The most important qualification Heng has for being PM is undoubtedly his proven loyalty to the Lee family. He was praised by  LKY as the best PPS he had had and is shown seated next to LKY at the latter’s 91st birthday party.

The fact that Heng is much older than the only other serious candidate, Chan Chun Sing, and that he needs to be careful about his health following his aneurysm, also means that he may be much more amenable to stepping aside after a few years to hand the reins of power to the third generation of the Lee family.  If the LHL had been serious about handing long term real power to a new PM he would have chosen someone younger and in better health.  As it happens, Li Hongyi, according to my grass roots  sources, is already walking the ground in Holland-Bukit Timah with Vivian Balakrishnan.

Interim PMs and seat warmers may come and go but the abiding principle of Singapore’s politics will continue to be that the country belongs to the Lee family. This will endure as long as the PAP are in power or there is a fresh generation of Lees ready to take over. Singaporeans on the whole seem fairly contented with a hereditary monarchy and no doubt over the next five years we will be treated to many anecdotes about Li Hongyi being a “man of the people” who works tirelessly to ensure our welfare.

When it is Heng’s turn to step aside for a Lee, the criteria will flip back once again to being about academic achievements. Meanwhile we can only hope that Heng’s bark is worse than his truncheon and that he does not use those shiny boots to trample on those who oppose him or his masters.

[Albeniz]

yeah taiwan is busy with politics in-fighting for now

especially kmt lost to dpp for presidential

when they wake up ... can regain the âasia small dragonâ

taiwan has plenty of talent and their people is âhungryâ

taiwan has a lot of resources too

the biggest challenge and set back to taiwan is natural disaster

Taiwan is definitely a stronger dragon.

 

Just look at their TSMC as compared with our Chartered.

 

They are light years ahead, although both are in the same semicon industry.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Albeniz