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Hi all,

 

Suspected diagonsis with the above.  my right arm in pain. feel like nerves are been pulled.  just did a MRI and will be seeing ortho specialist

 

What can be done about this?  specialist say most likely start with physical therapy and oral med.  and monitor progress for 4-6 weeks.

 

Any other advice?  how about taking any particular supplements? 

 

couldn't sleep properly. 

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My friend's eyeballs turned inward and he had double vision. Did tests/scans at a hospital but there wasn't much the doc could do for him. I told him to get his liver checked coz in TCM vision problems are tied to the liver. He went to a TCM charity and they diagnosed his problem as eye nerve damage caused by overheated liver (he used to sleep late and ate heaty food). Had herbs and acupuncture for over a month and his eyes went back to normal.

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Sounds like cervical spondy

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Sounds like cervical spondy

 

yup the prelim diagnosis state so.  The MRI will confirm it.

 

damm, i can't lie flat to sleep (even without pillow). The pain will come to the arm.

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yup the prelim diagnosis state so.  The MRI will confirm it.

 

damm, i can't lie flat to sleep (even without pillow). The pain will come to the arm.

 

 

at most go for CX fusion/laminectomy.  But if not serious, manage with physio.  

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Sounds like cervical spondy

Just Google on this. Seems like a problem for aging. I have to google research for exercises to strengthened the neck.
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Just Google on this. Seems like a problem for aging. I have to google research for exercises to strengthened the neck.

Yeah it's mainly due to ageing. Another cause is injury

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Yeah it's mainly due to ageing. Another cause is injury

Some go on and get sciatica...... pain into the legs
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on a side note. Those looking for elixir of youth may want to relook

 

A POPULAR diabetes drug sometimes taken to slow ageing may diminish some of the expected health benefits of aerobic exercise in healthy older adults, according to a new report. The drug, metformin, can blunt certain physical changes from exercise that normally help people to age well.

The results raise questions about the relationship of pills and physical activity in healthy ageing and also whether we know enough about how drugs and exercise interact. The results are particularly disconcerting given that healthy, active people may be considering taking the drug to slow ageing.

Metformin currently is the most-prescribed medication globally for people with Type 2 diabetes. It allows people with Type 2 diabetes to improve their blood-sugar control and insulin sensitivity, in large part by reducing the amount of sugar released by the liver into the blood. In people with diabetes, the benefits can clearly outweigh the risks.

 

 

 

But in recent years, scientists, physicians and plenty of other people entering middle age have become intrigued by the idea that it might also change how healthy people age. Worms and rodents given metformin typically outlive their unmedicated labmates. These animal studies suggest that the drug not only reduces blood sugar, it also reduces inflammation and produces other cellular effects that alter ageing.

 

 
 

 

Exercise also influences ageing, of course. Animal and human studies show, for example, that regular activity raises people's aerobic fitness and increases their insulin sensitivity, both of which are linked with longer, healthier life spans.

Unsurprisingly, some researchers have speculated that combining metformin and exercise might lead to even greater anti-ageing benefits than either approach alone. But little has been known about just how and whether metformin and exercise might work together deep inside our bodies and cells.

So, for the new study, which was published in February in Aging Cell, researchers at the Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation, Colorado State University and the University of Illinois decided to ask healthy people to sweat and swallow metformin.

They began by recruiting 53 sedentary but otherwise healthy men and women in their early 60s. Most had risk factors for Type 2 diabetes, such as a family history, but were not diabetic.

The researchers measured the volunteers' current aerobic fitness, blood-sugar levels, insulin sensitivity and body mass. They also took tiny leg-muscle biopsies and randomly assigned the volunteers to start taking either metformin or a placebo.

All of the volunteers then began a supervised exercise programme, visiting the lab three times a week to jog on a treadmill or pedal a bike for 45 minutes, a routine that lasted for four months. Afterward, the researchers repeated all of the measurements from the study's start and compared the two groups.

It turned out, to no one's surprise, that most of the volunteers now had better aerobic fitness and blood-sugar control than before, as well as improved insulin sensitivity. Each of these physiological changes would be expected to improve how well the volunteers aged.

But there were notable disparities between the two groups. Overall, the men and women taking metformin gained less fitness, upping their endurance by about half as much as those swallowing the placebo.

Many of those taking the drug also showed slighter, if any, improvements in insulin sensitivity. (Hardly anyone's weight changed much, in either group.)

The scientists next looked microscopically inside their volunteers' muscles and found telling discrepancies between the two groups. The muscle cells of the exercisers on placebo teemed with active mitochondria, which are the cells' powerhouses. Mitochondria transform oxygen and sugar into cellular fuel in a process referred to as mitochondrial respiration. Higher respiration generally means better cellular health.

In the muscle cells from the men and women on placebo, mitochondrial respiration rose by about 25 per cent, compared to levels at the study's start. But not so in the muscle cells from the metformin group, which showed little if any upswing in mitochondrial respiration.

In effect, metformin had road-blocked the normal exercise-related gains in muscle-cell mitochondrial respiration, says Benjamin Miller, a principal investigator in the ageing and metabolism research programme at the Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation, who oversaw the study.

Without these souped-up mitochondria, the exercisers on metformin seemed less able to improve their fitness or insulin sensitivity than the other volunteers.

These results do not mean that people should stop or avoid using metformin, Mr Miller cautions, even to brake ageing.

The study followed only a small group of people for a relatively short period of time and examined a mere fraction of the voluminous bodily effects of exercise and metformin. It also did not include people taking metformin without exercise.

But the findings "do give us reason to think a bit more cautiously" about mixing metformin and exercise in healthy people, Mr Miller says.

"There was not an additive effect" from combining them, he says. Instead, metformin and exercise "did not seem to play together very well".

More research is needed, though, to understand how metformin affects mitochondria, exercise and ageing, he says. More broadly, the results raise questions about how exercise might respond to other medicines. "Doctors are very cognisant of drug-drug interactions," he says. "It's time we consider drug-and-exercise interactions, too." NYTIMES

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an update on my condition.

 

thankfully the physio works 

 

I tell you guys the stark difference between private physio and govt hospital physio.  It's a difference of heaven and hell. 

 

anyway, i stick to private physio.  After 1st session of 1.5 hours, 80% of pain was gone.  It's that amazing.  2nd session of 1.5 hours, 90% pain gone.

 

I went back for 3rd session, i told the therapist, it's almost 100% pain gone liao.

 

What treatment i get?  Some bone cracking (like chiro style), using neck traction machine, followed by ultrasound or electro impulse machines.

 

How much: $150 per session. 

 

Feedback: it's damm good.

 

How about a feedback on govt structured?:  its damm useless, i swear. 

 

Don't ask me for name of govt hospital. not nice to mention names.  

 

All i can say about govt restructured is the therapist didn't even touch me at all. All he told me was to go home, do one or two stretching exercises. 

 

i only had 20 mins with him. and they charged me $109.  They say i'm a private patient.  I have no qualms about charging me as private patient.  But the quality of treatment is utterly to nothing, to the point that i felt cheated of my time and money.  and i left that place, feeling the same amount of pain. 

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an update on my condition.

 

thankfully the physio works

 

I tell you guys the stark difference between private physio and govt hospital physio. It's a difference of heaven and hell.

 

anyway, i stick to private physio. After 1st session of 1.5 hours, 80% of pain was gone. It's that amazing. 2nd session of 1.5 hours, 90% pain gone.

 

I went back for 3rd session, i told the therapist, it's almost 100% pain gone liao.

 

What treatment i get? Some bone cracking (like chiro style), using neck traction machine, followed by ultrasound or electro impulse machines.

 

How much: $150 per session.

 

Feedback: it's damm good.

 

How about a feedback on govt structured?: its damm useless, i swear.

 

Don't ask me for name of govt hospital. not nice to mention names.

 

All i can say about govt restructured is the therapist didn't even touch me at all. All he told me was to go home, do one or two stretching exercises.

 

i only had 20 mins with him. and they charged me $109. They say i'm a private patient. I have no qualms about charging me as private patient. But the quality of treatment is utterly to nothing, to the point that i felt cheated of my time and money. and i left that place, feeling the same amount of pain.

Good you are feeling better.

 

So in private, do they teach you some strengthening exercises for you to continue doing at home between treatment sessions, on top of the other treatments you had mentioned?

 

And in govt, they only teach you the exercises?

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Good you are feeling better.

 

So in private, do they teach you some strengthening exercises for you to continue doing at home between treatment sessions, on top of the other treatments you had mentioned?

 

And in govt, they only teach you the exercises?

Yup of coz. And even explain to me the causes and prevention measures.

 

Overall, it's educational and improvements of the condition. Perfect.

 

Honestly I'm very disappointed with our restructured healthcare

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Yup of coz. And even explain to me the causes and prevention measures.

 

Overall, it's educational and improvements of the condition. Perfect.

 

Honestly I'm very disappointed with our restructured healthcare

 

what did your MRI show anyway?

It's a disc issue or bone impinging?

 

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Wahliao......now i scared to get old.....so much pain and aches! Anything to reverse the process bor?

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an update on my condition.

 

thankfully the physio works

 

I tell you guys the stark difference between private physio and govt hospital physio. It's a difference of heaven and hell.

 

anyway, i stick to private physio. After 1st session of 1.5 hours, 80% of pain was gone. It's that amazing. 2nd session of 1.5 hours, 90% pain gone.

 

I went back for 3rd session, i told the therapist, it's almost 100% pain gone liao.

 

What treatment i get? Some bone cracking (like chiro style), using neck traction machine, followed by ultrasound or electro impulse machines.

 

How much: $150 per session.

 

Feedback: it's damm good.

 

How about a feedback on govt structured?: its damm useless, i swear.

 

Don't ask me for name of govt hospital. not nice to mention names.

 

All i can say about govt restructured is the therapist didn't even touch me at all. All he told me was to go home, do one or two stretching exercises.

 

i only had 20 mins with him. and they charged me $109. They say i'm a private patient. I have no qualms about charging me as private patient. But the quality of treatment is utterly to nothing, to the point that i felt cheated of my time and money. and i left that place, feeling the same amount of pain.

Government hospital physio did pass you a piece of paper with pictures on the various movements to do at home. right?

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Government hospital physio did pass you a piece of paper with pictures on the various movements to do at home. right?

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mcf not my car for rum har?ððð.......shite, i joined the wrong forum for 10 yrs...ððð. Now i am having trigger finger, had right forearm pain for 6 month followed by frozen shoulder......and people greets me with 'uncle'........hahaha! My hair is now full grey with greying moustache and goattee!

even our bb also 10 years older. Probably aunty now. hahaha we all age together.
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what did your MRI show anyway?

It's a disc issue or bone impinging?

It's cervical spondylosis. Pinched nerve.

 

C5 to C7.

 

So the physio help to put them back in order with adequate space between the discs.

Government hospital physio did pass you a piece of paper with pictures on the various movements to do at home. right? ð­ might well I goggle.

don't worry Bros. we age in mcf. we died together in mcf.

 

mcf..medical care forum. ð

Yeah, he just gave me a piece of paper with couple of diagrams and that costs me $109. Unbelievable.

 

Ppl say private could con ppl. I realize Restructed also can do that.

 

Therapist job v lucrative. Just see someone for 20mins and charge $109 without even touching the patient.

 

The private therapist got to work harder to earn

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