2020/2021 and 2023/2024 Facelift 4th Generation Kia Sorento

[Spring]

Any idea why some diesels require adblue (Kia Sorento) but some other diesels don’t (BMW 216GT). I’ve asked before n the common answer was that it is different technology/system. Fair enough but surely the technology/system which doesn't require adblue would be the preferred choice right? But I see more diesels needing adblue than those who don’t need.

[Watwheels]

8 minutes ago, Spring said:

Any idea why some diesels require adblue (Kia Sorento) but some other diesels don’t (BMW 216GT). I’ve asked before n the common answer was that it is different technology/system. Fair enough but surely the technology/system which doesn't require adblue would be the preferred choice right? But I see more diesels needing adblue than those who don’t need.

Ask yourself what it actually does?

To me it's down to the user or driver. And it's more of a convenience. If the diesel car is driven high mileage daily it is not really needed. Some of the reasons "needing" it is imo making a bit more profit from those who dont care or dont know how.

[Spring]

4 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

Ask yourself what it actually does?

To me it's down to the user or driver. And it's more of a convenience. If the diesel car is driven high mileage daily it is not really needed. Some of the reasons "needing" it is imo making a bit more profit from those who dont care or dont know how.

Sorry don’t quite get u. Sorento amongst other diesels require adblue, don’t think the driver has any say on this. He has to add it whether he likes it or not. Perhaps higher mileage requires less top up I’m not sure. Maybe it is money making I don’t know n I won’t speculate but my point is why do some manufacturers need it whilst others don’t?

[Carbon82]

49 minutes ago, Spring said:

Any idea why some diesels require adblue (Kia Sorento) but some other diesels don’t (BMW 216GT). I’ve asked before n the common answer was that it is different technology/system. Fair enough but surely the technology/system which doesn't require adblue would be the preferred choice right? But I see more diesels needing adblue than those who don’t need.

The permissible level of pollutants that new cars can emit has been reduced significantly in the past couple of years. The introduction of the latest Euro 6 standards demanded a 67% drop in nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the exhaust emissions of diesel cars.

Car makers have found two ways of meeting these standards:

1. Selective Catalytic Reduction (uses an exhaust fluid, commonly AdBlue, to break NOx in exhaust gases down into harmless elements before it’s expelled from the car)
2. Exhaust Gas Recirculation (uses a recirculation system to replace some of the exhaust gas with intake air to reduce the amount of nitrogen that can be turned into NOx)

Owners of cars fitted with exhaust gas recirculation system don’t need to use AdBlue. However AdBlue is mandatory in most Diesel cars since the 1st of January 2017 (in Europe). So technically, if a diesel powered car is less than 3 years old, then it might need to add some AdBlue in it!

AdBlue is a non-toxic diesel exhaust fluid, made up of high purity urea and deionized water used to treat exhausts on diesel engines to reduce harmful emissions. Although it’s odorless and non-toxic, it can corrode metallic surfaces. As for how much AdBlue is needed, the general guideline is 1L of Adblue for every 550Km to 1,000Km traveled.

[Spring]

1 hour ago, Carbon82 said:

The permissible level of pollutants that new cars can emit has been reduced significantly in the past couple of years. The introduction of the latest Euro 6 standards demanded a 67% drop in nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the exhaust emissions of diesel cars.

Car makers have found two ways of meeting these standards:

1. Selective Catalytic Reduction (uses an exhaust fluid, commonly AdBlue, to break NOx in exhaust gases down into harmless elements before it’s expelled from the car)
2. Exhaust Gas Recirculation (uses a recirculation system to replace some of the exhaust gas with intake air to reduce the amount of nitrogen that can be turned into NOx)

Owners of cars fitted with exhaust gas recirculation system don’t need to use AdBlue. However AdBlue is mandatory in most Diesel cars since the 1st of January 2017 (in Europe). So technically, if a diesel powered car is less than 3 years old, then it might need to add some AdBlue in it!

AdBlue is a non-toxic diesel exhaust fluid, made up of high purity urea and deionized water used to treat exhausts on diesel engines to reduce harmful emissions. Although it’s odorless and non-toxic, it can corrode metallic surfaces. As for how much AdBlue is needed, the general guideline is 1L of Adblue for every 550Km to 1,000Km traveled.

Tks bro! Good info from u as always👍

Unfortunately PML has stop importing 216d GT. Must check with Renault n those still importing diesels if indeed they all use adblue. Wonder if the GLB 220d imported by PI uses adblue?

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Carbon82 said:

The permissible level of pollutants that new cars can emit has been reduced significantly in the past couple of years. The introduction of the latest Euro 6 standards demanded a 67% drop in nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the exhaust emissions of diesel cars.

Car makers have found two ways of meeting these standards:

1. Selective Catalytic Reduction (uses an exhaust fluid, commonly AdBlue, to break NOx in exhaust gases down into harmless elements before it’s expelled from the car)
2. Exhaust Gas Recirculation (uses a recirculation system to replace some of the exhaust gas with intake air to reduce the amount of nitrogen that can be turned into NOx)

Owners of cars fitted with exhaust gas recirculation system don’t need to use AdBlue. However AdBlue is mandatory in most Diesel cars since the 1st of January 2017 (in Europe). So technically, if a diesel powered car is less than 3 years old, then it might need to add some AdBlue in it!

AdBlue is a non-toxic diesel exhaust fluid, made up of high purity urea and deionized water used to treat exhausts on diesel engines to reduce harmful emissions. Although it’s odorless and non-toxic, it can corrode metallic surfaces. As for how much AdBlue is needed, the general guideline is 1L of Adblue for every 550Km to 1,000Km traveled.

EGR will fail over time.  There is no sign that it had failed.

This is especially so in high mileage vehicles.

[inlinesix]

10 minutes ago, Spring said:

Tks bro! Good info from u as always👍

Unfortunately PML has stop importing 216d GT. Must check with Renault n those still importing diesels if indeed they all use adblue. Wonder if the GLB 220d imported by PI uses adblue?

I think it is all EURO 6 diesel

[Sugimoto]

5 hours ago, Spring said:

Tks bro! Good info from u as always👍

Unfortunately PML has stop importing 216d GT. Must check with Renault n those still importing diesels if indeed they all use adblue. Wonder if the GLB 220d imported by PI uses adblue?

Yes, GLB 220d is using adblue, the tank outlet is just beside the fuel cap.

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[GTO-1]

Checked out the new Sorento today. Very impressed. Design and feature-set is spot on. Very well thought out car, with little touches that make it standout, like usb ports on seats and ventilated seat control location.  If I was in the market, I'd probably stretch for the SX Tech Pack. 

I would say the only let-downs are the material quality, which is still a bit plasticky (interior door handles feel like they can snap off easily). Biggest letdown is just the yearly running costs in SG. Being a diesel and 2.2l, the road-tax is a crazy >$2.2k/year.  Compared to my current petrol ride and at current fuel prices, I would have to do a crazy 40,000km/year to breakeven. I already have high mileage of 20,000km/year, which is double the Singapore average.  Singapore Road Road tax structure is horrible, especially when diesel cars are typically more efficient than petrols.

Edited November 16, 2020 by GTO-1

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[teomingern]

On 11/13/2020 at 10:11 PM, Sugimoto said:

The tank size is around 25 litres based on mercedes e220d, maybe sorento is about there?

Normally adblue reminder will sound & take 1/3 of meter display when it left 1000km range in yellow alert, very hard to forget refill one because it will keep on chime until you refill.

I happen to saw shell station & autobacs also got sell adblue, not expensive & getting common liao.

Nice! Very good! This means it is easy to refill... must check it out the next time I step into an Esso station...

[teomingern]

On 11/16/2020 at 9:11 AM, Watwheels said:

Ask yourself what it actually does?

To me it's down to the user or driver. And it's more of a convenience. If the diesel car is driven high mileage daily it is not really needed. Some of the reasons "needing" it is imo making a bit more profit from those who dont care or dont know how.

Huh? It's decided by the car manufacturer in response to the emission standards imposed in different countries... since Europe pushed for diesel, it has the most comprehensive diesel emission standards I think... my dad's Renault Fluence doesn't use AdBlue... it uses exhaust gases to reduce the NOx emissions... NOx (nitrogen oxides) emissions occur in internal combustion engines due to the high pressures and temperatures which allow nitrogen gas to combine with oxygen gas (both found in our atmosphere) to form these toxic NOx gases... this ordinarily doesn't happen at normal temperatures and pressures... otherwise we'll all be dead and life as we know it today won't exist I presume...

Anyway, diesel was seen as a saviour cos it meant greater fuel efficiency but produced more soot and carbon dioxide... so manufacturers developed turbo diesels and installed carbon particulate filters, balancer shafts to reduce NVH, etc... but then the higher compression ratios of turbo engines resulted in higher NOx emissions and hence more measures like AdBlue were put in to reduce these... ironically VW dieselgate put to paid all the hard work that was put in the past 20 years in promoting diesel powered engines... which incidentally also spurred greater awareness that those tiny petrol turbos the Europeans were so happily churning out in the spirit of downsizing to reduce emissions and raise power output resulted in significantly higher NOx as well... returning smog to European cities like the long forgotten past... so here we are today with basic 2.5 L base engines to cope with the much stricter emission standards...

I hope the Sorento diesel survives these new standards...

[teomingern]

On 11/16/2020 at 7:32 PM, GTO-1 said:

Checked out the new Sorento today. Very impressed. Design and feature-set is spot on. Very well thought out car, with little touches that make it standout, like usb ports on seats and ventilated seat control location.  If I was in the market, I'd probably stretch for the SX Tech Pack. 

I would say the only let-downs are the material quality, which is still a bit plasticky (interior door handles feel like they can snap off easily). Biggest letdown is just the yearly running costs in SG. Being a diesel and 2.2l, the road-tax is a crazy >$2.2k/year.  Compared to my current petrol ride and at current fuel prices, I would have to do a crazy 40,000km/year to breakeven. I already have high mileage of 20,000km/year, which is double the Singapore average.  Singapore Road Road tax structure is horrible, especially when diesel cars are typically more efficient than petrols.

Yeah man... 40,000 km a year works out to driving 109 km at least per day... I think only taxis, private hire cars and sales people can clock this kind of mileage in tiny Singapore...

[Tanchen]

Any idea if 6 seater be brought into SG? 

 

[GTO-1]

On 11/21/2020 at 10:31 AM, Tanchen said:

Any idea if 6 seater be brought into SG? 

 

The SE that attended to me said no. But then again SE's will tell you anything just to get the deal across the line today or tomorrow. 

[Kevinhwc]

On 11/21/2020 at 10:31 AM, Tanchen said:

Any idea if 6 seater be brought into SG? 

 

The SE that attended to me says no too. But then, u can always indent... just more ex

[Mkl22]

On 11/8/2020 at 6:08 PM, teomingern said:

Surely the stock brakes will be good enough??? Manufacturer can't be selling brakes that can't stop their car right?

No la. Lots of brake gurus here. They must know better. 

[Kevinhwc]

Picked up my ride yesterday... so far so good... getting used to the many techs