Justifying your car purchase

[R32]

I drive a Mazda 6 and can bring some balance to the honeymoon opinion as it is easy to like the car:

- a lot of car for the money (in terms of size)

- good-looking

- made in Japan

- handles relatively well

- plush interior that minimizes hard plastic surfaces

However, it has some drawbacks:

- old platform dating back to 2013, it’s seen two facelifts

- much of the nice features are found on the higher end models with considerable premiums (e.g. walk away auto-lock, LED headlights, HUD, paddle shifters)

- gears of the folding mirrors don’t last long

- front suspension knocking noise(sorted under warranty, but what happens after that? Should suspension bushes wear out in less than 10k kms?)

- interior doesn’t wear well

- 2 litre has lacklustre performance, 2.5 litre is thirsty

- 6AT gearbox is a bit dated and slow

- Sedan has limited headroom in the back seat, and less legroom than class competitors

- steering wheel vibration caused by infinite feedback loop (changed once under warranty and the problem came back)

[Ct3833]

27 minutes ago, R32 said:

I drive a Mazda 6 and can bring some balance to the honeymoon opinion as it is easy to like the car:

- a lot of car for the money (in terms of size)

- good-looking

- made in Japan

- handles relatively well

- plush interior that minimizes hard plastic surfaces

However, it has some drawbacks:

- old platform dating back to 2013, it’s seen two facelifts

- much of the nice features are found on the higher end models with considerable premiums (e.g. walk away auto-lock, LED headlights, HUD, paddle shifters)

- gears of the folding mirrors don’t last long

- front suspension knocking noise(sorted under warranty, but what happens after that? Should suspension bushes wear out in less than 10k kms?)

- interior doesn’t wear well

- 2 litre has lacklustre performance, 2.5 litre is thirsty

- 6AT gearbox is a bit dated and slow

- Sedan has limited headroom in the back seat, and less legroom than class competitors

- steering wheel vibration caused by infinite feedback loop (changed once under warranty and the problem came back)

Value for Money car if you are not looking for performance and latest technology. Most of those features on the 2.5L you mentiomed are nice to have, you don't find  it so inconvenient for not having it. shocks is a wear and tear item and it is not costly after all, no big issue.  Folding mirror motor , either you buy from stockist the whole mirror assembly  without the reflector, or go find micro motor to replace the motor mechanism alone, to me not a big issue too. See diagram below, the actuator is not expensive. i myself am driving old car, so i do some DIY partly because of my own interest.

Every car has its strength and drawback, no one car is perfect. 

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Ct3833

[Beregond]

10 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

Have leh, I see a lot.

 

my work place there got a few,  very decent car, mitsubishi engine are extremely reliable.

only the tyre size abit odd. not many shop will keep

[Mkl22]

28 minutes ago, Ct3833 said:

Value for Money car if you are not looking for performance and latest technology. Most of those features on the 2.5L you mentiomed are nice to have, you don't find  it so inconvenient for not having it. shocks is a wear and tear item and it is not costly after all, no big issue.  Folding mirror motor , either you buy from stockist the whole mirror assembly  without the reflector, or go find micro motor to replace the motor mechanism alone, to me not a big issue too. See diagram below, the actuator is not expensive. i myself am driving old car, so i do some DIY partly because of my own interest.

Every car has its strength and drawback, no one car is perfect. 

 

Beg to differ for some items like shocks at 10k km. It’s not wear and tear. Plus Not when every Mazda 6 also has this issue. 

I accept wear and tear only if it is reasonable. If a Piston cracks at 40-50k, it’s not wear and tear for me. A brand new car shocks or brakes at 10k also not acceptable. Heck nothing at 10k km can be wear and tear except engine oil, oil filter and cabin filter, wipers. You get my point. 

[Ct3833]

4 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

Beg to differ for some items like shocks at 10k km. It’s not wear and tear. Plus Not when every Mazda 6 also has this issue. 

I accept wear and tear only if it is reasonable. If a Piston cracks at 40-50k, it’s not wear and tear for me. A brand new car shocks or brakes at 10k also not acceptable. Heck nothing at 10k km can be wear and tear except engine oil, oil filter and cabin filter, wipers. You get my point. 

I understand , what i mean is once after warranty, treat it as wear and tear. Shocks can last for a long time especially our roads, so do not have to wary about it. Of course we can kpkb about the quality since it breaks down shortly during the warranty period.   My friend's new C Class aso have knocking sound, after sending it in to C&C , they reseated the mounting, problem solved. 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Ct3833

[Contipro]

1 hour ago, R32 said:

I drive a Mazda 6 and can bring some balance to the honeymoon opinion as it is easy to like the car:

- a lot of car for the money (in terms of size)

- good-looking

- made in Japan

- handles relatively well

- plush interior that minimizes hard plastic surfaces

However, it has some drawbacks:

- old platform dating back to 2013, it’s seen two facelifts

- much of the nice features are found on the higher end models with considerable premiums (e.g. walk away auto-lock, LED headlights, HUD, paddle shifters)

- gears of the folding mirrors don’t last long

- front suspension knocking noise(sorted under warranty, but what happens after that? Should suspension bushes wear out in less than 10k kms?)

- interior doesn’t wear well

- 2 litre has lacklustre performance, 2.5 litre is thirsty

- 6AT gearbox is a bit dated and slow

- Sedan has limited headroom in the back seat, and less legroom than class competitors

- steering wheel vibration caused by infinite feedback loop (changed once under warranty and the problem came back)

thanks for sharing.. enjoy your ride sir.. 

[Contipro]

33 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

Beg to differ for some items like shocks at 10k km. It’s not wear and tear. Plus Not when every Mazda 6 also has this issue. 

I accept wear and tear only if it is reasonable. If a Piston cracks at 40-50k, it’s not wear and tear for me. A brand new car shocks or brakes at 10k also not acceptable. Heck nothing at 10k km can be wear and tear except engine oil, oil filter and cabin filter, wipers. You get my point. 

agree with you.. sir.. 

 

[R32]

9 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

Value for Money car if you are not looking for performance and latest technology. Most of those features on the 2.5L you mentiomed are nice to have, you don't find  it so inconvenient for not having it. shocks is a wear and tear item and it is not costly after all, no big issue.  Folding mirror motor , either you buy from stockist the whole mirror assembly  without the reflector, or go find micro motor to replace the motor mechanism alone, to me not a big issue too. See diagram below, the actuator is not expensive. i myself am driving old car, so i do some DIY partly because of my own interest.

Every car has its strength and drawback, no one car is perfect. 

 

Sorry I didn’t make it clearer - it’s not the absorber itself that is the problem, it is a bushing in the sway bar or suspension arm, not too sure. The problem started within the first 10,000kms and later on the entire front suspension creaked going over humps whenever it was wet. Thankfully, I’ve covered more than 20,000kms since and the problem has not returned.

As for folding motors, it’s the first time I come across them being regarded as wear and tear items, especially within the warranty period. Live and learn, I guess.

[Freeder]

1 hour ago, R32 said:

Sorry I didn’t make it clearer - it’s not the absorber itself that is the problem, it is a bushing in the sway bar or suspension arm, not too sure. The problem started within the first 10,000kms and later on the entire front suspension creaked going over humps whenever it was wet. Thankfully, I’ve covered more than 20,000kms since and the problem has not returned.

As for folding motors, it’s the first time I come across them being regarded as wear and tear items, especially within the warranty period. Live and learn, I guess.

Many Mazda also facing the side mirror folding motor issues..

Most of them got FOC replacements if it’s under warranty..

For your case , why u never chut your “Buddha Palm” to nego for free replacements..

BMW n VW drivers are sexperts exponent of Buddha Palm😂😂

[Mkl22]

Sometimes less is more. The simpler the car the less stuff to break. I would regard the 90s and early 2000s as the best quality the  Japanese had to offer. Thereafter they too started going downhill. But still relatively better than others. 

[Tohto]

8 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

Sometimes less is more. The simpler the car the less stuff to break. I would regard the 90s and early 2000s as the best quality the  Japanese had to offer. Thereafter they too started going downhill. But still relatively better than others. 

In the 80s, 90s.. car had almost not much electronics stuff. Hardly any thing will fall apart.

At that time one common comparation is auto gear and manual gear. Which manual gear has almost no maintenance need.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Tohto

[Invigorated]

6 hours ago, Mkl22 said:

Sometimes less is more. The simpler the car the less stuff to break. I would regard the 90s and early 2000s as the best quality the  Japanese had to offer. Thereafter they too started going downhill. But still relatively better than others. 

Old TVs, old fans, old aircons, heck.. even old people can last pretty well. 

Nowadays all these new stuff can fail once warranty is over or become so retarded u have to buy new ones...

If things are so lasting, companies will close down already. That's why smartphones companies are smart, they don't update after a while so even if your smartphones don't spoil, they can't update and become stupid.. so you are still forced to change. 

That's why TVs also become smart. Our cars also becoming smart too. Soon if you don't update your car, your car will start breaking down or lag..

Smart people create smart devices for stupid people like me to use.

[Contipro]

joke, joke

i like to justify my vehicle is best value with 100% handmade even at each micro components level. Better than other that handmade as assembly level only. 

-Crankshaft handmade and measured till each milimeter level . 

-Battery handmade and assembled together.

-Each gear casted individually.

-Tyres hand threaded and customized by a "tyre artist"

-Even the car body is handmade,  not even using giant hydraulic press to press out the panel shape.

Trust me is 100% handmade and customize !! No joke sir. No match by Mazda sir.. 

😝😝😝

 

 

 

p/s: Credit to them for their expertise and hard work. We respect. 

Edited September 26, 2021 by Contipro

[Kangadrool]

On 9/24/2021 at 10:08 AM, Tianmo said:

Sheng Siong.... 

 

Sheng Siong one is green plastic trolley, need to put $1 coin to move one.

[Brass]

On 9/24/2021 at 6:01 PM, Ody_2004 said:

After reading 7 pages i still no idea which SS is talking here..

I currently have 2 SS.. Skoda Superb and Suzuki Swift.. either or neither? whahahahahaha..

Don't forget the SSS owned by @Columbian78

[Contipro]

12 hours ago, Contipro said:

joke, joke

i like to justify my vehicle is best value with 100% handmade even at each micro components level. Better than other that handmade as assembly level only. 

-Crankshaft handmade and measured till each milimeter level . 

-Battery handmade and assembled together.

-Each gear casted individually.

-Tyres hand threaded and customized by a "tyre artist"

-Even the car body is handmade,  not even using giant hydraulic press to press out the panel shape.

Trust me is 100% handmade and customize !! No joke sir. No match by Mazda sir.. 

😝😝😝

 

 

 

p/s: Credit to them for their expertise and hard work. We respect. 

 

joke... joke..

my SE just called and told me even the piston shafts are made with personalized feet touch.. 

 

死没 （in cantonese).. 

p/s: Credit to them for their hard work. We respect.

[Ct3833]

On 9/26/2021 at 10:59 AM, Tohto said:

In the 80s, 90s.. car had almost not much electronics stuff. Hardly any thing will fall apart.

At that time one common comparation is auto gear and manual gear. Which manual gear has almost no maintenance need.

And the fun thing with the manual car is when the clutch gets worn out, one can open the bonnet to rotat that  little hand wheel to extend the clutch usage😅

[Heartbreakid]

1 hour ago, Ct3833 said:

And the fun thing with the manual car is when the clutch gets worn out, one can open the bonnet to rotat that  little hand wheel to extend the clutch usage😅

I remembered doing that to the Proton Wira my family had for 13 years. And that is provided it is a mechanical linkage clutch. Hydraulic operated clutch I don't think can adjust to compensate the wear.