ODO Mileage Tampering

[Jamesc]

Just nice for my MIL

On 5/21/2024 at 7:38 PM, Ody_2004 said:

Just spotted a RR selling at paper value..

 

[RadX]

On 5/22/2024 at 4:42 PM, Jamesc said:

Just nice for my MIL

 

Get her a pet too

[ER-3682]

If i sell,my F22,nobody will think the mileage is real,22,000Km in 5.2 Years,no AD Servicing Record[Never went back PML for Servicing because no Free Servicing]....But those who know me,thru my Chat Group,will said mine is the best F22 in the Market you can find.

[Jamesc]

On 5/22/2024 at 4:54 PM, ER-3682 said:

If i sell,my F22,nobody will think the mileage is real,22,000Km in 5.2 Years,no AD Servicing Record[Never went back PML for Servicing because no Free Servicing]....But those who know me,thru my Chat Group,will said mine is the best F22 in the Market you can find.

I heard jamesc will give you a very good price when you decide to say good bye to it

 

[inlinesix]

On 5/22/2024 at 4:54 PM, ER-3682 said:

If i sell,my F22,nobody will think the mileage is real,22,000Km in 5.2 Years,no AD Servicing Record[Never went back PML for Servicing because no Free Servicing]....But those who know me,thru my Chat Group,will said mine is the best F22 in the Market you can find.

It is okay for low mileage.  But you are driving it at city speed.

The car will have difficulty to rev high RPM.

In a way, I will not say it is the best for driving.

 

[ER-3682]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:02 PM, inlinesix said:

It is okay for low mileage.  But you are driving it at city speed.

The car will have difficulty to rev high RPM.

In a way, I will not say it is the best for driving.

 

You want to try can it win your Mini.?

[inlinesix]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:22 PM, ER-3682 said:

You want to try can it win your Mini.?

It is not about winning my Mini.

Rather, I will not dare to rev beyond 4K RPM.

186hp vs 320hp. How to fight?🤦🏻‍♀️

My Mini is beyond torture where I drove to CH (from Malacca) in the morning and back to Malacca at Midnight.

Edited May 22, 2024 by inlinesix

[ER-3682]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:27 PM, inlinesix said:

It is not about winning my Mini.

Rather, I will not dare to rev beyond 4K RPM.

186hp vs 320hp. How to fight?🤦🏻‍♀️

My Mini is beyond torture where I drove to CH (from Malacca) in the morning and back to Malacca at Midnight.

Mine more than 320 Bhp...with Stage 1 Bootmod 3 installed..easily 380 Bhp.

[inlinesix]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:37 PM, ER-3682 said:

Mine more than 320 Bhp...with Stage 1 Bootmod 3 installed..easily 380 Bhp.

By the way, have you ever unleashed stock hp?

[ER-3682]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:56 PM, inlinesix said:

By the way, have you ever unleashed stock hp?

Nope.

[Beehive3783]

On 5/22/2024 at 2:05 PM, Fcw75 said:

Highly unlikely Borneo will do anything funny la.

Their reputation more important. 

But..... we never know right? I mean, chances are close to zero, but it's never really zero  

[Mkl22]

On 5/22/2024 at 4:54 PM, ER-3682 said:

If i sell,my F22,nobody will think the mileage is real,22,000Km in 5.2 Years,no AD Servicing Record[Never went back PML for Servicing because no Free Servicing]....But those who know me,thru my Chat Group,will said mine is the best F22 in the Market you can find.

When is your F35 coming? 🤣
I only know F22 as the raptor. 

Edited May 23, 2024 by Mkl22

[wen8488]

@Foresterho there is this peace of news that the plantiff won the case by suing the car dealer for odometer tampering 

https://www.sgcarmart.com/articles/news/car-dealer-who-lost-odometer-tampering-case-still-has-not-paid-up-23705

 

But the car dealer has not paid up not sure about the follow up news if the errant car dealer has paid the plantiff?

[Jamesc]

Huh this kind of case can lose?

[Beehive3783]

On 10/18/2024 at 6:17 AM, wen8488 said:

@Foresterho there is this peace of news that the plantiff won the case by suing the car dealer for odometer tampering 

https://www.sgcarmart.com/articles/news/car-dealer-who-lost-odometer-tampering-case-still-has-not-paid-up-23705

 

But the car dealer has not paid up not sure about the follow up news if the errant car dealer has paid the plantiff?

Why are you posting 2019 article in 2024? Why don't you go to that shop lot and see if the dealer is still there?

[macrosszero]

On 1/19/2024 at 11:05 PM, Benarsenal said:

I was just thinking about this again, and actually the solution can be very simple.

All cars have to undergo inspection right? So during inspection, all LTA has to do is record down the mileage, and whatever other info (pass/fail), and then upload the data to a PUBLIC database that anyone can access and check.

All previous inspection data has to be kept on LTA database until the car is scrapped.

It’s simple until the dealer realises he can still clock but less,

e.g., car last inspected at 40,273km

they take in the car at 52,189km

Since they already have a handy dandy OBD device for ahem, diagnosis reasons,

the car will end up having 40,371km. 

Reason for sale? Owner outstation since last inspection. Or seat too hard. Or got new 4th car, this one underutilized and now selling!

My good friend used car dealer tell me one! You cannot stop odometer cheats, just like you can’t stop loving your MIL!

[Beehive3783]

On 10/18/2024 at 11:25 AM, macrosszero said:

It’s simple until the dealer realises he can still clock but less,

e.g., car last inspected at 40,273km

they take in the car at 52,189km

Since they already have a handy dandy OBD device for ahem, diagnosis reasons,

the car will end up having 40,371km. 

Reason for sale? Owner outstation since last inspection. Or seat too hard. Or got new 4th car, this one underutilized and now selling!

My good friend used car dealer tell me one! You cannot stop odometer cheats, just like you can’t stop loving your MIL!

Very unlikely this can happen. It will depend on luck.

1. The car dealer will never know the actual mileage recorded at inspection centre during the previous ownership. 

2. Knowing the greed of car dealers, they will reduce the mileage as much as possible and not just reduce by 12,000km per your example  

Taiwan has been using this system for many years and it has been successful at weeding out cars with tampered mileage. Anyone with the registration and current owner's ID number can check the mileage on a website operated by the vehicle inspection organisation.

For Taiwan to have this system and not Singapore, it speaks volumes on Singapore's commitment (ZERO) to protect consumers.

Edited October 18, 2024 by Beehive3783

[macrosszero]

On 10/18/2024 at 11:30 AM, Beehive3783 said:

Very unlikely this can happen. It will depend on luck.

1. The car dealer will never know the actual mileage recorded at inspection centre during the previous ownership. 

2. Knowing the greed of car dealers, they will reduce the mileage as much as possible and not just reduce by 12,000km per your example  

Taiwan has been using this system for many years and it has been successful at weeding out cars with tampered mileage. Anyone with the registration and current owner's ID number can check the mileage on a website operated by the vehicle inspection organisation.

For Taiwan to have this system and not Singapore, it speaks volumes on Singapore's commitment (ZERO) to protect consumers.

I mentioned it, because you said that the mileage of the car will be publicly available. Thus the dealer knows what he cannot clock backward past.

The US also has a pretty good system called CarFax where almost everything done to the car is recorded against its VIN number and serves as transparency when it come to selling a car