Sg Election 2025!

[inlinesix]

On 5/7/2025 at 7:46 AM, Sturtles said:

For the Sec-Gen of NTUC, we went from Ong Teng Cheong to this bigoted dumbass... 

Capable people with a heart will need to step forward... and I do worry for SG's future 

That means his patron is blind or ………..🤭

 

[Beregond]

On 5/7/2025 at 7:20 AM, Mason016 said:

Ng Chee Meng addresses Su Haijin photo, controversial MOE dialogue; asks not to be given govt role

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/ng-chee-meng-apologises-for-moe-incident-asks-pm-not-to-assign-him-position-in-government

Judging by what he say. If any mp take up any other position , other then being a full time MP.

They cannot focus fully on doing their duties as a MP?

Edited May 7 by Beregond

[13177]

On 5/6/2025 at 11:53 PM, Volvobrick said:

Why so insecured? 

These people likely is show off than insecured la. If you can study in Stanford and Harvard, surely must show off. Lol. Same as you see people wearing those uni T-shirt walking around, also somehow showing off to people he/she is from that uni lo.

[Wind30]

On 5/6/2025 at 11:11 PM, Invigorated said:

LKY may have said "2b 2c better be mp, not minister." but is LW a "2b 2c"? Locally he already had an offer from NUS law then so we can roughly gauge he at least had straight As.

He's a PSC scholar and we know how tough it can be to be an overseas merit scholar, with many rounds of interviews and aptitude and IQ-like tests which cream the cream of the crop. GEP may not even qualify as the tests go beyond just mainly IQ..

Not sure what exactly you are framing here when you asked "why LW can be PM in spite his average education results". He may not have been to Harvard or MIT for his main uni because he doesn't want to, not because he cannot. His interviews show him to be quite laidback when he was younger and not too serious in his aspirations.  

BTW, are you aware that he has two masters, one of which is from Harvard Kennedy School?

I don't like to discuss about degrees and credentials because I agree with many here that there are other skillsets that can be more important. Just bringing these up because you did and I wanted to understand why you wanted to correlate what LKY said to him as I don't see the relevance.

my beef is not about LW specifically but rather how the public view scholastic achievement as a whole, now vs in the past. That is why I brought up LKY's clip. I am not in anyway saying LKY views are related to LW directly. 

If you look at the question posed to LKY, surely LKY can say like what everyone here is saying. other skillsets can be more important, your future work track record is more important. Nobody looks at your grades in the future. It is errr.... not hard to argue that way but lky didn't. He took the risk of being offensive and spoke his mind. 

We can argue LKY is outdated, he is wrong, but I don't think there is any doubt about what LKY feel about this issue. 

 

LW is my personal beef, my personal standards for PM is actually much higher than 2b 2c...  I don't buy the argument he was laid back/lazy when he was young...  I know many people who are lazy laid-back and still do much much better than LW in school. The smart guys really don't need much time/effort to do well. 

 

[Volvobrick]

On 5/7/2025 at 9:44 AM, Wind30 said:

LW is my personal beef, my personal standards for PM is actually much higher than 2b 2c...  I don't buy the argument he was laid back/lazy when he was young...  I know many people who are lazy laid-back and still do much much better than LW in school. The smart guys really don't need much time/effort to do well. 

 

So what's your point? LW was not laid back when young, just not smart enough? 

LW is definitely not the smartest one around, I bet many here in MCF smarter. 

But he is the PM for good reasons. ie 天时，地利，人和. 

[Wind30]

On 5/7/2025 at 9:56 AM, Volvobrick said:

So what's your point? LW was not laid back when young, just not smart enough? 

LW is definitely not the smartest one around, I bet many here in MCF smarter. 

But he is the PM for good reasons. ie 天时，地利，人和. 

Exactly my point. I personally want my pm to be one of the smartest around. Lky is extremely smart. So is many tech ceos in the field I work with. THE leader really need to make very important decisions and many times it’s is not clear cut. So everyone will depend on the top guy to decide. I just hope he has the brains to make the right decision as it really will make or break a country/company. 

[inlinesix]

"Smartest" guy make more moolah in private.

Is LHL & GCT smartest guy?

I wonder.

[Philipkee]

On 5/7/2025 at 7:52 AM, mersaylee said:

No bye erection for grc...one down many others can double up...sk also liddat...not many bother to help bring down cht or oyk...one jalan prata takeaway is more than enuf and happy...

First test for ah wong and his new team of choice after his first lead in ge...oh wait...or issit first leed...😅

Jalan kayu is smc

[Volvobrick]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:00 AM, Wind30 said:

Exactly my point. I personally want my pm to be one of the smartest around. Lky is extremely smart. So is many tech ceos in the field I work with. THE leader really need to make very important decisions and many times it’s is not clear cut. So everyone will depend on the top guy to decide. I just hope he has the brains to make the right decision as it really will make or break a country/company. 

I want the wisest one who can make the smartest ones work for him.

Many with extremely high IQ don't end up that well in life. 

PS you want Elon as PM? He is pretty smart. 

Edited May 7 by Volvobrick

[Philipkee]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:00 AM, Wind30 said:

Exactly my point. I personally want my pm to be one of the smartest around. Lky is extremely smart. So is many tech ceos in the field I work with. THE leader really need to make very important decisions and many times it’s is not clear cut. So everyone will depend on the top guy to decide. I just hope he has the brains to make the right decision as it really will make or break a country/company. 

A lot of times, the right or wrong decision by itself doesn’t break a country/company but it can start a chain of events that eventually does

[Invigorated]

On 5/7/2025 at 9:44 AM, Wind30 said:

my beef is not about LW specifically but rather how the public view scholastic achievement as a whole, now vs in the past. That is why I brought up LKY's clip. I am not in anyway saying LKY views are related to LW directly. 

If you look at the question posed to LKY, surely LKY can say like what everyone here is saying. other skillsets can be more important, your future work track record is more important. Nobody looks at your grades in the future. It is errr.... not hard to argue that way but lky didn't. He took the risk of being offensive and spoke his mind. 

We can argue LKY is outdated, he is wrong, but I don't think there is any doubt about what LKY feel about this issue. 

 

LW is my personal beef, my personal standards for PM is actually much higher than 2b 2c...  I don't buy the argument he was laid back/lazy when he was young...  I know many people who are lazy laid-back and still do much much better than LW in school. The smart guys really don't need much time/effort to do well. 

 

Personal beef than no need to bring us into the argument bro. There's nothing to discuss here if it's based on your feelings.. 

Also, 'laid back and still do much better than LW'.. how ah? You are implying that LW isn't smart? He's a straight As student, won a PSC scholarship and has 2 masters, one for Harvard and also is streetsmart enough to win 15/19 votes to go in as PM vs his peers. I hope you look at it objectively la. Your friends who are laid back and do much better than LW, just curious what are they doing ah?

[Sturtles]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:00 AM, Wind30 said:

Exactly my point. I personally want my pm to be one of the smartest around. Lky is extremely smart. So is many tech ceos in the field I work with. THE leader really need to make very important decisions and many times it’s is not clear cut. So everyone will depend on the top guy to decide. I just hope he has the brains to make the right decision as it really will make or break a country/company. 

 

Being smart, ie. highly intelligent is of utmost importance in a leader, but to have a heart for the people, to manage foreign relations, to see ahead of the rest are almost as important.

I have no doubt LHL is highly intelligent, being a Cambridge Wrangler with surely a highly developed frontal lobe.

Look at his reign… his antics…

Asking the Chinese people to drink pork soup from Yang Tze River, and smoke from their windows, in front of an American audience?

That’s much worse than CCS

 

From the slate of 4G leaders, which was curated by LHL, I can’t see anyone being exceptional, but I can identify many apple polishers. 

LW may be the best of the worst, but I hope people of quality like Tan See Leng can step forward much earlier to manage the country, rather than at the tail end of their career.

Criticisms without solutions, GEP alumni or not, shows you are just like anyone of us

[Wind30]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:16 AM, Invigorated said:

Personal beef than no need to bring us into the argument bro. There's nothing to discuss here if it's based on your feelings.. 

Also, 'laid back and still do much better than LW'.. how ah? You are implying that LW isn't smart? He's a straight As student, won a PSC scholarship and has 2 masters, one for Harvard and also is streetsmart enough to win 15/19 votes to go in as PM vs his peers. I hope you look at it objectively la. Your friends who are laid back and do much better than LW, just curious what are they doing ah?

… exactly. I don’t think Lawrence Wong is as laid back as you say. That is why I don’t buy the argument. Those laid back ones just do above average or ok at work and career. All those who rise to the top are driven both in school and at work
so I don’t buy your argument that lw is a laid back guy in school but change later… cannot be so convenient. 

[Wind30]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:18 AM, Sturtles said:

 

Being smart, ie. highly intelligent is of utmost importance in a leader, but to have a heart for the people, to manage foreign relations, to see ahead of the rest are almost as important.

I have no doubt LHL is highly intelligent, being a Cambridge Wrangler with surely a highly developed frontal lobe.

Look at his reign… his antics…

Asking the Chinese people to drink pork soup from Yang Tze River, and smoke from their windows, in front of an American audience?

That’s much worse than CCS

 

From the slate of 4G leaders, which was curated by LHL, I can’t see anyone being exceptional, but I can identify many apple polishers. 

LW may be the best of the worst, but I hope people of quality like Tan See Leng can step forward much earlier to manage the country, rather than at the tail end of their career.

Criticisms without solutions, GEP alumni or not, shows you are just like anyone of us

Solution… Tharman? 
my personal choice is oyk. 

lhl i don’t think is bad. I actually feel lhl is pretty good. I disagree with some decisions but overall Singapore survived post lky without much issues.

[Invigorated]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:18 AM, Sturtles said:

 

Being smart, ie. highly intelligent is of utmost importance in a leader, but to have a heart for the people, to manage foreign relations, to see ahead of the rest are almost as important.

I have no doubt LHL is highly intelligent, being a Cambridge Wrangler with surely a highly developed frontal lobe.

Look at his reign… his antics…

Asking the Chinese people to drink pork soup from Yang Tze River, and smoke from their windows, in front of an American audience?

That’s much worse than CCS

 

From the slate of 4G leaders, which was curated by LHL, I can’t see anyone being exceptional, but I can identify many apple polishers. 

LW may be the best of the worst, but I hope people of quality like Tan See Leng can step forward much earlier to manage the country, rather than at the tail end of their career.

Criticisms without solutions, GEP alumni or not, shows you are just like anyone of us

I have always found LHL a little socially awkward, though we can't deny he is from a top tier uni. His comments like 'fix the opposition' and the ones you've mentioned above can sound off and his background doesn't allow him to feel much for the common man. 

I guess that's why LW comes thru. He's a product of our system. From a neighborhood kid to our PM and in some way, more relatable and that may have translated to more votes for him too. Yes there are smarter people than him as 一山总有一山高。but we are not looking for only a smart person to lead us, but one with the heart to lead. He has brilliant people in his cabinet and a strong team to curate a list of good ideas, but he needs to first win the hearts of the people..

Here's an analogy for Wind30.. Does a team captain need to be the best soccer player? Most often than not, no. A captain is chosen more for leadership qualities than for pure skill. Most importantly, he must have strong communication and motivation skills, the respect from teammates and coaches, have composure under pressure and perhaps tactical awareness and responsibility. LW is kinda like that. 

Some of the greatest captains in soccer history were not the most talented players but were respected leaders on and off the pitch.

[Sturtles]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:24 AM, Wind30 said:

… exactly. I don’t think Lawrence Wong is as laid back as you say. That is why I don’t buy the argument. Those laid back ones just do above average or ok at work and career. All those who rise to the top are driven both in school and at work
so I don’t buy your argument that lw is a laid back guy in school but change later… cannot be so convenient. 

 

The selection for PM and SM’s PPS started from the A levels.

Heng swee keat, Lawrence wong, Chee Hong Tat, Ong Ye Kung were all secretary to the PMs or SMs at some point in their career.

Am sure if they are GEP alumni comes into consideration, and somehow, they were selected over GEP?

Or were GEP too good for the government, and prefer to selfishly make big bucks like Lee Kah Shing

[Strat]

On 5/7/2025 at 9:39 AM, 13177 said:

These people likely is show off than insecured la. If you can study in Stanford and Harvard, surely must show off. Lol. Same as you see people wearing those uni T-shirt walking around, also somehow showing off to people he/she is from that uni lo.

maybe MIW people should wear this T-shirt as well....

[Wind30]

On 5/7/2025 at 10:05 AM, Volvobrick said:

I want the wisest one who can make the smartest ones work for him.

Many with extremely high IQ don't end up that well in life. 

PS you want Elon as PM? He is pretty smart. 

That I totally don’t agree with. You can’t say you get the smartest to work for you and leave the decision making to them. The leader need to be both very smart and with the right heart, motivation and integrity. Both sides are essential.