ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KT.. simisai BREAKDOWNS here!

[Wishcumstrue]

With that line of argument.

 

Our media reported:

Edward Snowden

Najib plenty stuff

Anwar and mahathir.

Indo palm fires and the companies

Corruption scandals all over.

Prc island building activities

 

You get the picture.

 

To say there's no cover up is really a stretch.

To shoot the messenger is being an ostrich.

 

Our media reports all the above with many  depending on foreign sources.

 

The "secret" MRT train return is no exception since we get to read about it within hours of publish and even mentioned by our own media.

 

So how does scrutinising this HK sources and its agenda be consider as "shooting the messenger"

 

Don't we all question the reliability and the purpose of news report nowadays ?

 

 

[Shibadog]

Our media reports all the above with many  depending on foreign sources.

 

The "secret" MRT train return is no exception since we get to read about it within hours of publish and even mentioned by our own media.

 

So how does scrutinising this HK sources and its agenda be consider as "shooting the messenger"

 

Don't we all question the reliability and the purpose of news report nowadays ?

 

 

uh... any chance that our own MSM only reported it because it was already leaked?

[Count-Bracula]

liddat you shd go back to UR-anus then...closer to MARS  

ehh  . . . cannot becos that ar$e Yee is now the supreme leader of that gas planet and anyway there's this little Martian I brought back . . . he's been trained to scratch the *ahem* when itchy

 

You want? I pass it to you during the next meetup.  

[Wishcumstrue]

"Secret" 'cos the trains are all wrapped up like bolster-shaped bak chang.

 

This type of operation normally at night one, needs advance booking for police escort. So, this makes it even more "secret".

 

I just can't imagine the trucking bills especially the cometto. It's like at least $50,000 per block of X hours per trip; thereafter $5,000 per hour or part of for demurrage.... something liddat....

 

The cranes mobilised for lifting is another big ticket item.

 

Total costs will be higher than ocean freight for sure.

 

Bro, didn't you read previous postings ?

 

LTA/MRT scheduled carriage transports at night as SOP for safety reason on public roads.

 

All these comes with outriders and other blinking and sirens vehicles and of coz this will cost $.

 

Do you get to tpt your furniture and house hold items FOC when moving house ?

[Mkl22]

Sadly, this is true for so-called 'regulatory' bodies here in singapore ... there are just no true experts.

 

As can be seen, many regulations and rules just copy, cut, paste from EU or USA regulators. There is no expert (or none daring to make the call in our tai-chi civil and public service) to evaluate, make judgement call, make exceptions, etc.

 

It does not help that fewer and fewer outstanding students are opting to study engineering, and those that land up in public service are often the remainder after private sector blue-chip companies have creamed off the top. The scholars and fast-movers in public and civil service stay far, far away from the real nitty-gritty engineering work.

 

With this kind of deplorable situation, you think they can make sound technical judgement and evaluation of the trains they buy??

 

haha. very very typical of Singapore civil servants. most CMI. i remember once i gave them some advice on a project. refused to believe me cause i'm also Singaporean with no-white skin. They then go waste my tax payers dollars to hire a white consultant. and guess what the bloody consultant called me to ask for advice!

[Wishcumstrue]

uh... any chance that our own MSM only reported it because it was already leaked?

 

One would consider this news as  "leak" when agree with HK media allegation that this is  a "secret" operation.

 

Question is : Is this REALLY "secret" ? 

 

When public perception gets this impression based on the HK report, then KBW jolly well better have a good rebuttal, fast.

[Adrianli]

I went to google maps and see Jurong Port. Can see the train cars are there already.

 

 

[Joseph22]

Bro, didn't you read previous postings ?

 

LTA/MRT scheduled carriage transports at night as SOP for safety reason on public roads.

 

All these comes with outriders and other blinking and sirens vehicles and of coz this will cost $.

 

Do you get to tpt your furniture and house hold items FOC when moving house ?

I believe that is what he say.

[Shibadog]

One would consider this news as  "leak" when agree with HK media allegation that this is  a "secret" operation.

 

Question is : Is this REALLY "secret" ? 

 

When public perception gets this impression based on the HK report, then KBW jolly well better have a good rebuttal, fast.

 

 

of course this is no secret now that it has been exposed.

 

the pertinent question is, did the authorities try to keep it a secret? seems they did so successfully, from Jul 2013 when the defects were first noticed. Three whole years have passed, with lots of news abt new trains, train frequency, train breakdowns, change of leadership etc. Any news abt these defects?

 

How does this not seem to be an attempt at a cover up?

 

if we the public had been informed abt this in a timely manner, would the HK chaps have used the term "secret"? That would be silly, no? In view of the lack of prior information for the past three years, how is using the term "secret" an attempt to sway public perception from the truth?

[Mustank]

My online purchases from China can 1-1 exchange or 100% refund.

 

Did LTA/SMRT buy from Taobao also?

Can somebody do a taobao spoof? :xd:

I went to google maps and see Jurong Port. Can see the train cars are there already.

 

 

Screenshot Jurong Port from Google.jpg

Wah! Google also gpgt

[Weez911]

Sometimes I wonder why Raymond Lim was demoted and why Lui resigned from a very well-paid job...

 

Must be due to rubbish performance or stress or ....  

[Beregond]

As a layman, LTA reply provide more puzzle than answer. First of all, how can be that hairlines cracks on the bolster is not a safety issue, since the whole train is sitting on it? If the bolster give way when it is in operation, the whole train can be derailed?!

 

 

And if it is that straight forward, why can't we have the defective bolster replaced in Singapore say at Bishan or other depot that perform regular servicing, maintenance and repair? These depot will sure have the necessary lifting equipment to hoist up the train, and the new bolster can be installed in the similar manner as replacement of the steel wheels, why need to spend extra time and $$$ to have the train sent back to China??

 

And this is the most puzzling part:

Due to the nature of the defect, the most effective way of addressing it is to replace the entire car-body shell. As the trains were under warranty, we required the contractor to replace the entire car body shell. Hence, since July 2014, the affected trains have been progressively sent back to the factory for rectification works. The costs of the shipping are borne by the contractor.

 

i) Why need to replace the entire car-body shell instead of just the bolster?

ii) Why no annoucement of the repair / replacement work (since 2014) till 2 days ago when it was made public by some external parties?

iii) Shipping cost borned by the contractor? What about the downtime, labour cost, and not to mention the additonal monthly inspection and 3rd party assessment??

imagine we buy car. then discover chassis got crack. 

but AD insists the crack is nothing, car is safe to drive.

but they want to take in your car, and give u a spare

[Volvobrick]

I went to google maps and see Jurong Port. Can see the train cars are there already.

 

 

Screenshot Jurong Port from Google.jpg

 

Indeed! The chance of Google's satellite capturing the trains at the port waiting to be loaded was actually very very low, UNLESS the trains were stored/stuck at the particular spot for MONTHS!

 

Mabybe SMRT depots ran out of space to keep all these undeployed (BUT "safe" to use, according to LTA) trains.

 

BTW LTA's FAQ on the hairline cracks is a joke - equating the cracks on the metal structural component to the surface cracks in HDB flats!  Perhaps LTA doesn't know the difference between Reinforced concrete and Plaster.

[Mockngbrd]

[Kusje]

Indeed! The chance of Google's satellite capturing the trains at the port waiting to be loaded was actually very very low, UNLESS the trains were stored/stuck at the particular spot for MONTHS!

 

Mabybe SMRT depots ran out of space to keep all these undeployed (BUT "safe" to use, according to LTA) trains.

 

BTW LTA's FAQ on the hairline cracks is a joke - equating the cracks on the metal structural component to the surface cracks in HDB flats!  Perhaps LTA doesn't know the difference between Reinforced concrete and Plaster.

 

But good enough to cheat the ignorant masses no?

[Mustank]

:xd:

[inlinesix]

Haha...IMO too late. They have already placed order.

 

I think they are like smrt have been buying from the same train maker from the start.

 

 

Juz reported in HK.  HK govt knows about the crack 1 yr ago.  MTR HK still place order.

[Adrianli]

Indeed! The chance of Google's satellite capturing the trains at the port waiting to be loaded was actually very very low, UNLESS the trains were stored/stuck at the particular spot for MONTHS!

 

Mabybe SMRT depots ran out of space to keep all these undeployed (BUT "safe" to use, according to LTA) trains.

 

BTW LTA's FAQ on the hairline cracks is a joke - equating the cracks on the metal structural component to the surface cracks in HDB flats!  Perhaps LTA doesn't know the difference between Reinforced concrete and Plaster.

 

 

You are right. I compare the photos from Google map and the one taken by Factwire, Google Map image, there are no solar panels on the buildings. Factwire image shows there are solar panels on the building. This shows this RMA process has been ongoing for quite some time already!!!

 

From Google : 

 

 

 

 

From Factwire :