[Manmaster]

The above is classic example of citing irrelevant examples to support your argument.

 

 

A There are many reasons for some manufacturing shifting back to the US:

 

1. US Manufactures found they lost control of the foundation of the manufacturing process.

They found out there are many hidden costs to this setup

 

In any business, it's always dollars & cents. wage is part of the cost. business disruption cost is also part of your business ops cost. When your business is disrupted like the case of apple, u will think of alternatives to minimize that business disruption cost.

 

2. US manufacturers have also made strides through

[Joseph22]

i have got a first hand experience to share why my company pulled out/closed down our Suzhou manufacturing plant facility.

 

simple reason costs have risen too high in China while quality of labour/facilities has not kept pace.

 

when we closed down though, the experience of dealign with the china workers is admittedly not pleasant. but heck, it wasn't this reason that prompted us to close down. if this was the consideration, we would rather continue operating because we do not have to deal with unruly workers.

Last year when i was in China for holiday. i was chating with the guide. many here will be surprise that the salary of those working in the major city of china arent exactly lowly pay as what some people here thing.

 

Also, a lot of people are thinking, 1K here is equal to their 5K there and say its mean they are getting 5 times more. but they didnt realise, what we sell here are sold around the same price over there. a Ipad selling at 1K in singapore is selling at 5 RMB in china.

 

with this in mind and China been a emerging market, if their pay is really that low, why is every technological giant trying to get a foothold in china?

[Cerano]

Well I spent some time reading through the entire thread and saw some personal attacks, some mindless bashing and general disagreement.

 

I think we should all take a step back and look at this issue without resorting to such.

 

As for my opinion, im typically not quite a supporter of the right wing stand but in this case, I believe national stability is paramount. We dont need strikes or protests here and as shown by the crane case, if we go down the slippery slope of condoning these, they will just get more and more daring.

 

 

[Joseph22]

seriously, Manmaster. learn how to reply in a forum.

 

totally dont know which one is your reply.

[Cerano]

I do not usually agree with the incumbent party but what I do agree is that Singapore is a land of few natural resources. There is little drawing FDI here if not our stability, security and skilled labour.

 

We cannot afford to disrupt our rice bowl if even at the cost of others. Also, as many people here have said, the entire point of them being hired is because they are cheap to hire. If they get the same pay, then heck we may as well hire others.

 

Rights are admirable but when push to shove I'm all for utilitarianism. I suspect you wouldnt bother so much about rights when you're feeling hungry

Edited December 7, 2012 by Cerano

[Joseph22]

I do not usually agree with the incumbent party but what I do agree is that Singapore is a land of few natural resources. There is little drawing FDI here if not our stability, security and skilled labour.

 

We cannot afford to disrupt our rice bowl if even at the cost of others. Also, as many people here have said, the entire point of them being hired is because they are cheap to hire. If they get the same pay, then heck we may as well hire others.

Bro, you read throught the whole thread or not??

 

we are not at the issue on whether they should strike or not strike.

 

we are at the issue of how should SMRT had done better.

 

end of the day, this strike is ulitimately a result of SMRT incompetent Management.

[Acemundo]

Last year when i was in China for holiday. i was chating with the guide. many here will be surprise that the salary of those working in the major city of china arent exactly lowly pay as what some people here thing.

 

Also, a lot of people are thinking, 1K here is equal to their 5K there and say its mean they are getting 5 times more. but they didnt realise, what we sell here are sold around the same price over there. a Ipad selling at 1K in singapore is selling at 5 RMB in china.

 

with this in mind and China been a emerging market, if their pay is really that low, why is every technological giant trying to get a foothold in china?

 

yes, exactly. i go Shanghai every year and i know the cost there.

 

most of the Chinese cities have become very expensive unless we are talking about the more undeveloped ones. but the problem with such undeveloped chiense cities is that they may not have the infrastucture and the sophisticated skilled labour that investors are looking for.

[Cerano]

Bro, you read throught the whole thread or not??

 

we are not at the issue on whether they should strike or not strike.

 

we are at the issue of how should SMRT had done better.

 

end of the day, this strike is ulitimately a result of SMRT incompetent Management.

 

Yes I read through the entire 17 pages.

 

I think ultimately SMRT is merely caught as a victim of its own success.

 

Questionable middle-management, profit-maximising "at any cost" aim amongst other issues.

 

However, I think not all the blame can be attributed to them at the end of the day and the government took action the right way.

[Galantspeedz]

Last year when i was in China for holiday. i was chating with the guide. many here will be surprise that the salary of those working in the major city of china arent exactly lowly pay as what some people here thing.

 

Also, a lot of people are thinking, 1K here is equal to their 5K there and say its mean they are getting 5 times more. but they didnt realise, what we sell here are sold around the same price over there. a Ipad selling at 1K in singapore is selling at 5 RMB in china.

 

with this in mind and China been a emerging market, if their pay is really that low, why is every technological giant trying to get a foothold in china?

 

because for every 1 that can afford a ipad 9,999 cannot afford... however the market is still bigger than singapore.....

 

depending what you mean by low pay.... average should be around 3k to 5k rmb for office workers in major cities... $600-$1k a month.. low or high pay you decide....

 

 

 

 

[Galantspeedz]

Yes I read through the entire 17 pages.

 

I think ultimately SMRT is merely caught as a victim of its own success.

 

Questionable middle-management, profit-maximising "at any cost" aim amongst other issues.

 

However, I think not all the blame can be attributed to them at the end of the day and the government took action the right way.

 

i agree... partly because of profit maximising... mrt stations is now surrounded by stalls... now like last time so dead and waste of space

[Joseph22]

yes, exactly. i go Shanghai every year and i know the cost there.

 

most of the Chinese cities have become very expensive unless we are talking about the more undeveloped ones. but the problem with such undeveloped chiense cities is that they may not have the infrastucture and the sophisticated skilled labour that investors are looking for.

 

And while many people say that Foxconn is cheap labour, i wonder if they know thta foxconn actually pay above market rate for their industries.

 

Speaking of which, did you heard of the unofficial report on why those people commit sucide??

[Joseph22]

Yes I read through the entire 17 pages.

 

I think ultimately SMRT is merely caught as a victim of its own success.

 

Questionable middle-management, profit-maximising "at any cost" aim amongst other issues.

 

However, I think not all the blame can be attributed to them at the end of the day and the government took action the right way.

own success??? last i know they are a transport company and as a transport provider they are a disgrace. success maybe monetary. so the question is, why are they racking in record earning every year and yet every few years want to come and increase bus/MRT fare?

 

worse, increase saying operational cost to realise that they are skimming on maintenance which result in many train break down. so where did those increase go to?

[Joseph22]

because for every 1 that can afford a ipad 9,999 cannot afford... however the market is still bigger than singapore.....

 

depending what you mean by low pay.... average should be around 3k to 5k rmb for office workers in major cities... $600-$1k a month.. low or high pay you decide....

seriously, in major city. not that low.

[Acemundo]

And while many people say that Foxconn is cheap labour, i wonder if they know thta foxconn actually pay above market rate for their industries.

 

Speaking of which, did you heard of the unofficial report on why those people commit sucide??

 

foxconn handling of those incident is considered sounding the death knell for many manufacturing companies.

 

because of their raise of pay for the workers of 100% , all other manufacturing company have to follow suit or risk unable to hire workers. that's one consideration that ultimately egged my company to close down the suzhou plant.

 

the saying is that those people were too stressed, tired doing the repetitive tasks inside such manufacturing plant. if there is another reason, i may not be aware.

[Galantspeedz]

seriously, in major city. not that low.

 

major city.. guangzhou, beijing, shanghai?

 

what level? i am saying rank and file employees below manager level

[Lala81]

i agree... partly because of profit maximising... mrt stations is now surrounded by stalls... now like last time so dead and waste of space

 

from what i understand. the retail aspect is what's keeping SMRT profitable. And not in the red.

This is why Saw was brought in.

[Joseph22]

foxconn handling of those incident is considered sounding the death knell for many manufacturing companies.

 

because of their raise of pay for the workers of 100% , all other manufacturing company have to follow suit or risk unable to hire workers. that's one consideration that ultimately egged my company to close down the suzhou plant.

 

the saying is that those people were too stressed, tired doing the repetitive tasks inside such manufacturing plant. if there is another reason, i may not be aware.

I pmed you liao..

[Lala81]

And while many people say that Foxconn is cheap labour, i wonder if they know thta foxconn actually pay above market rate for their industries.

 

Speaking of which, did you heard of the unofficial report on why those people commit sucide??

 

For foxconn, it was worker bee/assembly line drone mentality with unrelenting shift work and no regards for their mental health, that made some of them snap.

I think their pay is decent by PRC standards but it's just the unrelenting demand of a MNC that chews them up

 

Are there people still queuing up to join foxconn there? i still think so.