[Cerano]

ok no point arguing bout such minute details back to topic please.

[Joseph22]

erm usually office workers no OT...

 

OT is factory ba

 

i meant in general

office worker tend to pay better???

 

anyway frankly, office worker.. got lot of Malaysia girl want to do plus they dont need mass worker at cheap cost so i dont think its that affected. i tend to think their pay are slightly on a more reasonable cost as compare to those contract labours.

[Joseph22]

ok no point arguing bout such minute details back to topic please.

topic is...

 

Is SMRT management incompetent resulting in the strike to happen. (lay man term.)

 

Topic not on whether strike is correct or wrong.

[Galantspeedz]

you mention 600~1000.. that is the one i am pointing out as not that low

 

pengz..... i state 3k-5k rmb = $600-$100 .. i tot understandable is SGD...

 

make me waste time search for their salary survey

 

 

[Galantspeedz]

ok no point arguing bout such minute details back to topic please.

 

topic argue finish liao.... so finding things to chi chat

[Joseph22]

pengz..... i state 3k-5k rmb = $600-$100 .. i tot understandable is SGD...

 

make me waste time search for their salary survey

oh okay...i go re-read again liao.

 

i make mistake

 

nvm treat it as i huat sio

 

but its good to bring in the research.. cause lots of ppl here think their salary is really low in the region of <1K RMB.

[Cerano]

topic is...

 

Is SMRT management incompetent resulting in the strike to happen. (lay man term.)

 

Topic not on whether strike is correct or wrong.

 

i think some people were disputing the idea that strikes are wrong

[Felipe]

cos i'm still standing on the same ground....no shift in my arguments. FYI, i didn't vote for the ruling party. I do what's best for SG, not what's best for the ruling govt. Encouraging strike is not in the interest of SG, that's why I'm dead against it. I don't care the strike is against SMRT or SGH. As long as it's a strike against essential public services or other businesses, i'll be against it. We must not create a bad business sentiment in SG where businessmen will think of shifting out of SG. This will affect our survival. When companies start to shift out, we're finished.

 

sometimes you need upheaval to make things right. Great nations were not founded on peace, but blood. Evil will prevail when good men do nothing. I don't support strikes when there are other avenues to sort out the problems. But if every other means were exhausted, then a strike is the only way left. Just like Singapore won't go to war. But if we need to for our survival, so be it. That could have been the perspective of the drivers. Having done all they could, no one listened. And from what you mentioned, SMRT was simply wrong in changing the contract.

[Joseph22]

i think some people were disputing the idea that strikes are wrong

 

not really. the dispute was for us general public to pin the fault of the strike on PRC fault alone.. which many are doing that.

 

what some of us is saying, this take two hand to clap and SMRT is definitely more at fault.

 

Strike is right or wrong, leave it to the legal people. but us as a singaporean have to think, is SMRT (wanted to say GLC but that did be a sweeping remark) way of doing things correct?

[Sabian]

actually i didnt realise CKP reply. i no time today to type long post...

his reply is better. but basically, a lot of company in USA are moving towards selling their own country made product and more and more american are looking at buying MIA item liao. Even their largest Mart (forgot what mart liao) are increasing their MIA product while reducing MIC products.

His reply is better? You make it sound like your reply and his are on the same track... [laugh]

[Joseph22]

His reply is better? You make it sound like your reply and his are on the same track... [laugh]

Of course, our reply is simply pointing towards Manmaster anyhow pomp..

 

Which i basically do what Manmaster do.

 

btw, there is really such movement in America if you wonder.

Edited December 7, 2012 by Joseph22

[TheRationalVoice]

Then how do you propose that those who are exploited gets heard? Are we not asking for trouble running our place in a manner where the less articulated gets exploited?

 

I see you are quoting countries like Greece and Spain on strikes... How about Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan and Germany. They have strikes and they are economic superpowers. For Hong Kong, Korea and Taiwan, they too lack natural resources and 2 are under the threat of war all the time.

 

 

You and your spphist logic again. I badly thrashed you once. Don't let me do it again with the kind of crap you post.

[Manmaster]

The china drivers were wrong to go on strike in the first place & for the wrong reason.

 

If they claimed that SMRT bullied them, why didn't they go on strike when SMRT increased their pay which was a breach of contract as nobody should revise the pay? One has to be fair to all. You can't just keep those good things that benefit you but go on strike when something doesn't benefit you. A contract is a contract.

 

Never escalate a company specific problem into a national problem. If the managment doesn't listen to u, just leave the company. There is no need to impose your way on the company. Going on strike is a serious problem and is very disruptive to any business. I've a friend who is a plant manager and he told me that his company would suffer $1m loss per day if one production line stopped working. I asked him - Would u set up your plant in a country where strikes are being encouraged even though the labour cost is low? He said no as the disruptive cost would be too great and could cripple the company.

 

Businesses want stable environment and we must eradicate negative factors that impede business survival which will in turn be our own survival. SMRT's mismanagement is just a company specific problem and the china drivers shouldn't go on strike. If we allow such culture to develop whenever there is any mismanagement in any company, who will dare to come to SG to invest? However, the author would just prance at the chance for his personal & insidious gratification. This is something I don't like and will not agree to. PLS DO NOT DISRUPT THE SOCEITY'S PEACE FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. NEVER ADVOCATE STRIKE!

[Manmaster]

sometimes you need upheaval to make things right. Great nations were not founded on peace, but blood. Evil will prevail when good men do nothing. I don't support strikes when there are other avenues to sort out the problems. But if every other means were exhausted, then a strike is the only way left. Just like Singapore won't go to war. But if we need to for our survival, so be it. That could have been the perspective of the drivers. Having done all they could, no one listened. And from what you mentioned, SMRT was simply wrong in changing the contract.

 

If the circumstances really called for it like u said was akin to going to war, the china drivers would not stop the strike after the china embassy talked to them. Those drivers didn't strike when SMRT increased their pay which was already a breach of contract. Going to war is a serious matter. U don't stop easily after going to war.

Edited December 7, 2012 by Manmaster

[Porker]

If the circumstances really called for it like u said was akin to going to war, the china drivers would not stop the strike after the china embassy talked to them. Those drivers didn't strike when SMRT increased their pay which was already a breach of contract. Going to war is a serious matter. U don't stop easily after going to war.

 

Your argument of them being wrong by not going on strike after getting a pay raise is simply put idiotic, stupid, nonsensical and lacks basic human logic. Please stop embarrassing yourself further with such half baked posts.

[Royho1979]

Who got exploited?

 

 

Strikes would definitely affect business sentiment in SG if nothing was done to curb it. By encouraging strikes would destroy SG. Do you know that richer european nations didn't dare to tour Greece as they were afraid of being stranded in Greece or being mobbed. We should not encourage things that are detrimental to SG's survival and strike is one of them.

 

Just look at Apple, Apple is shifting 1 production line back to US. Why? There are 2 main reasons for this move. Minimum wage in China & strikes at foxconn. Foxconn will lose 1 production line in china and is also planning to set up more production lines in US. This will definitely cause more job losses in china as foxconn will hire less china workers. When investors start to view SG as an unstable economy, businesses will start to shift out. Is that what you want for SG?

 

A lot of your post do not make sense. Anyway, you used Greece as a boogey man to incite fear again. I enjoy going to Japan, Taiwan, Korea for leisure. Do they have strike? Yes. Explain why they are doing well in tourism. BTW, there are people who choke on water and die. Should you stop drinking water?

 

Apple is leaving China?Thats cos wage in China is rising. Remember the harddisk manufacturers leaving Singapore? They left bcause of $. No strikes, but they still left. Its all about the $. If Foxcon left cos they cant hire people in China exploitative salaries, good riddance. You think China needs Foxcon?

 

[Happily1986]

i think some people were disputing the idea that strikes are wrong

isn't it fantastic?

 

I open a company that operate essential services and have obligations to the public at large naturally. If I make a deliberately damaging decision (on hindsight), commit more gaffes, screw up on damaged control but hey it is ok! let's throw em couple of red herrings!

 

some disquiet but mostly people chewing up one another over the red herrings. Business as usual folks!

 

Ain't life grand?

Edited December 7, 2012 by Happily1986

[Happily1986]

Your argument of them being wrong by not going on strike after getting a pay raise is simply put idiotic, stupid, nonsensical and lacks basic human logic. Please stop embarrassing yourself further with such half baked posts.