SG Navy accident

[Adrianli]

Off days are PRIVILEGE in the Navy.

Have it? good. Lost it? Carry on with life.

 

I can sacrifice off days including weekends to help my senior to do duty when his family needs arises. No obligation.

When my ship went sailing during my compassionate leave, I volunteered to do Duty when they come back from sea.

I can sacrifice off days come back and help getting system and equipment back working.

 

I don't go for off when my whole department are in tight schedule/shortage of man power.

 

I am very narrowed minded person and calculative.

But I know when to relax my principles.

 

NS is a joke for most NSF, you proved it well, but I have proved it otherwise, though I don't believe the way they do things.

 

They dont know what we in the Navy went thru.

 

Ask them go to sea, see whether they will miss their family or not. Sailing is 3D2N and up to 3mths. For patrol vessels, 3D2N is every other day!!! Out at sea, u are out of teleco coverage, no way for u to call home to chit chat unless u can afford a Sat phone!!! I was onboard vessel for 5yrs out of my 6yrs contract!!! Seen 4 CO changes. What u said is right, as a ship the guys are very cohesive and work as a close unit. U see each other face everyday.

 

Total navy personnel is only 5,000 to 6,000 ppl. We are one of the least personnel in the three forces cause Singaporeans are not willing to sail.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Adrianli

[Neost]

Don't bother about these people who think that NS is a total waste of time. No matter how much you said, you can't change their mind.

 

Many of them did not realized that NS can be very beneficial and you can learn a lot of things if you have the correct attitude. If you interact with those who are successful in their civilian career, you will realize these people are also very on the ball during their NS days.

[Galantspeedz]

Have you been to States? example: Sea world, disney land and etc.. they will ask their present or ex military personnel to stand up and everyone will applaud for them for their contribution. Its the same as the you tube. Its the recognition.

 

erm no... but it's all over YouTube... ok lar it was said in jest

 

let's all argue in this thread as a form of respect

 

cheers

[Galantspeedz]

erm no... but it's all over YouTube... ok lar it was said in jest

 

let's all argue in this thread as a form of respect

 

cheers

 

oops I meant let's not argue lol

[Gohsj89]

They dont know what we in the Navy went thru.

 

Ask them go to sea, see whether they will miss their family or not. Sailing is 3D2N and up to 3mths. For patrol vessels, 3D2N is every other day!!! Out at sea, u are out of teleco coverage, no way for u to call home to chit chat unless u can afford a Sat phone!!! I was onboard vessel for 5yrs out of my 6yrs contract!!! Seen 4 CO changes. What u said is right, as a ship the guys are very cohesive and work as a close unit. U see each other face everyday.

 

Total navy personnel is only 5,000 to 6,000 ppl. We are one of the least personnel in the three forces cause Singaporeans are not willing to sail.

 

seems that you are from 1829?

the victim was from 99 some years back before he was posted to 210.

 

and 5000-5000 ppl can be fitted into just ONE lst.

[Gohsj89]

They dont know what we in the Navy went thru.

 

Ask them go to sea, see whether they will miss their family or not. Sailing is 3D2N and up to 3mths. For patrol vessels, 3D2N is every other day!!! Out at sea, u are out of teleco coverage, no way for u to call home to chit chat unless u can afford a Sat phone!!! I was onboard vessel for 5yrs out of my 6yrs contract!!! Seen 4 CO changes. What u said is right, as a ship the guys are very cohesive and work as a close unit. U see each other face everyday.

 

Total navy personnel is only 5,000 to 6,000 ppl. We are one of the least personnel in the three forces cause Singaporeans are not willing to sail.

 

yah..

and they might not know how dangerous can it be out at sea.

tolerating the rolling, pounding.. whether like it a not, cannot take it, vomit and continue on watch.

else Front Back Left Right is open sea.

And disaster, that's it.

 

i recalled taking a seaboat out for some ops, on the way coming back, the rear of my ship pounded up and we almost went in under the vessel, whole seaboat team almost got crushed

 

Seems like you must from Generation X :) Tough Man!

 

My senior whom went to UniSIM shared with me that he introduce himself as a Navy Regular,

the next question he was asked back is which country of Navy is he from.

he say "Singapore la!",

and that goes on with "Huh? Singapore got Navy meh?"

 

 

 

talking about open sea no network, i recalled in some article..

they happened to shared that this victim was out at sea for OBS (3 month Gulf of Aden anti piracy)

he mother seems to pass away / taking last few breath and he was sent back to Singapore immediately upon learning the news.

I think he went back by Helo..

Sole Breadwinner, only child,.. sighhh

 

Edited December 16, 2012 by Gohsj89

[Vulcann]

Agree wirth Mr Chang that the rehabilitation of serviceman like Jason should the focus of the authorities now.

 

In addition to the necessary insurance payouts, plans for his livelihood and on how to get his life back to normalcy as much as possible must be the priority.

 

We owe to him and many others, some fallen, for the sacrifices they made so that folks like you and me can sleep soundly at night.

 

From ST Forum:

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-...n-plan-20121217

 

Injured serviceman: What's the rehabilitation plan?

Published on Dec 17, 2012

 

IT IS regrettable that Military Expert 2 Jason Chee Weng Fai, one of the Singapore Armed Forces' navy servicemen, was hurt in an unfortunate accident ("SAF man critically hurt in ship mishap"; last Tuesday).

 

Although there will be insurance payouts, will his lifelong financial needs be adequately taken care of in the long run?

 

Will the payouts be pegged to inflation, and if not, should they be so?

 

Also, what efforts (besides financial and rehabilitative) are in place to help critically injured soldiers continue to lead lives of normalcy?

 

Are current efforts adequate in the long run and sufficient in scope?

 

Karl Marx once said that there is a human need to be productive and to do work that would be enjoyable.

 

Are there plans in place to help injured soldiers regain employment? It is important to have long-term plans for recuperation.

 

People from all walks of life may fall through the cracks. With sound policies, intervention and continued effort, they may continue to lead lives of near normalcy.

 

Chang Jian Feng

Edited December 16, 2012 by Vulcann

[Endure201]

Well said! I salute you!

[Tkwei]

Jason and his family have better make use of this time (when the public memory is still fresh) to get the best deal from MINDEF.

 

Because, 10-20 years from now... when all these are just a distant memory to most of us, Jason will still have to deal with;

A fixed pension that does NOT adjust for inflation and definitely no 13th month

And a medical equipment procurement process that go thru three different places, takes months, and staffed by people who have no idea what all those specialised medical equipment are.

Job wise, what do you think mindef can really offer him?

 

Mindef and our society still have a long way to go in providing a full-spectrum support for its injured servicemen.

 

ps... 1-2 years from now, me and my friends will probably be hearing from jason... helping him... advising him... because we, the injured servicemen, have a way of finding each other...

 

meanwhile, you guys who are in the service, or have sons/daughters in the service - take care and stay safe

[CinCin]

Off days are PRIVILEGE in the Navy.

Have it? good. Lost it? Carry on with life.

 

I can sacrifice off days including weekends to help my senior to do duty when his family needs arises. No obligation.

When my ship went sailing during my compassionate leave, I volunteered to do Duty when they come back from sea.

I can sacrifice off days come back and help getting system and equipment back working.

 

I don't go for off when my whole department are in tight schedule/shortage of man power.

 

I am very narrowed minded person and calculative.

But I know when to relax my principles.

 

NS is a joke for most NSF, you proved it well, but I have proved it otherwise, though I don't believe the way they do things.

 

 

 

Seldom see NSF like u so on.. true la.. u juz not like pple to cut u..

 

 

 

[LoverofCar]

He should bring SAF to court....

[Adrianli]

He should bring SAF to court....

 

Must see who at fault first leh. If machinery failure, yes. If human error, then better not.

[Wishcumstrue]

In reality, especially as a NSF and in a non-emergency event, how many would willingly donate when the mobile blood bank arrives? You can't force people to donate blood unlike the AFM where we come out our own $$$ to meet the minimum amount. I still remember the CSM coming around "encouraging" the whole unit to go and donate.All NSFs are only looking forward to the off days to stay out of camp. Were you once a NSF?

Maybe you can provide some statistics how many NSFs would not take the off days dangled to them?

 

Do you have the statistics?

 

If not, please avoid using the word "All" hor - I do not think you are in the position to speak for rest of the NS men nor have I given you permission to speak on my behalf.

 

FYI, 5 of my reservist kah-kee with O+ blood had volunteered donation to Jason.

 

A simple respect and recognition for our Servicemen is all that is needed.

 

Jason had lost his mother recently when he was at sea....think about this.

 

Edited December 17, 2012 by Wishcumstrue

[Endure201]

seems that you are from 1829?

the victim was from 99 some years back before he was posted to 210.

 

and 5000-5000 ppl can be fitted into just ONE lst.

 

Wat is 1829 and 99?

[Donut]

Wat is 1829 and 99?

 

Don't ask. They will have to kill you if they tell you.........

[Adrianli]

Answer is here :

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennant_number

[Icebrush79]

To those people who have bad comments. please think before u comment anything. ME2 jason is in bad situation and he doesnt want it himself. He give his life to the country to perform his duties. please respect him.

 

i knoe singaporean dont treat SAF as heros. but trust me when the country is in trouble, SAF is the front line to save guard u all.

 

 

See this video, the people really treat them as hero.

 

Interesting, your post.

 

But first off, let's not get too clouded with sympathy to delude our minds to think compassion = respect. It is not.

 

My heart goes all the way to ME2 Jason, and his family, who will have to deal with the physical and emotional challenges posed by his hew found disabilities.

 

There're a few posts that hails Jason as a Hero?? Errr.... A hero sacrifices himself/herself for the sake/safety of others, I don't recall MINDEF has released the full details of this mishap.

But heroic antics?? I don't see any. Am I missing out something?

 

Let's not get emotional people. Having an accident for doing a job that you're paid to do doesn't automatically make you a hero when a catastrophe occours.

What are the qualities of a hero?

 

Valiant -> Uh uh.. don't see any.... till the full report is out.

 

We all perform duties to our employees, if he willingly gave his life as you mentioned, to the country, then yes, pls hang me!! he's a hero!! It's not clear enough at this point to ascertain if there was an heroic deeds indeed... So pls hold your "award" till further notice.

 

While we all hope all the best for him and his family, we need to understand that we need a discerning perspective to differentiate a hero and a victim. Else, why not hail all the other accident victims, whether in RTAs or other situations, as heros? - Just a food for thought.

 

You've shown us an inspirational video, we all thank you for it. But you have to realise, its a different story country to country. The soldiers in your clip, whether commercial or real, depict soldiers who fight REAL wars.. not stimulated ones...

 

Let's compare apples to apples shall we, afterall, they don't pay COE in countries where the soldiers in your clip comes from.

 

cheers

[MetalTab]

Interesting, your post.

 

But first off, let's not get too clouded with sympathy to delude our minds to think compassion = respect. It is not.

 

My heart goes all the way to ME2 Jason, and his family, who will have to deal with the physical and emotional challenges posed by his hew found disabilities.

 

There're a few posts that hails Jason as a Hero?? Errr.... A hero sacrifices himself/herself for the sake/safety of others, I don't recall MINDEF has released the full details of this mishap.

But heroic antics?? I don't see any. Am I missing out something?

 

Let's not get emotional people. Having an accident for doing a job that you're paid to do doesn't automatically make you a hero when a catastrophe occours.

What are the qualities of a hero?

 

Valiant -> Uh uh.. don't see any.... till the full report is out.

 

We all perform duties to our employees, if he willingly gave his life as you mentioned, to the country, then yes, pls hang me!! he's a hero!! It's not clear enough at this point to ascertain if there was an heroic deeds indeed... So pls hold your "award" till further notice.

 

While we all hope all the best for him and his family, we need to understand that we need a discerning perspective to differentiate a hero and a victim. Else, why not hail all the other accident victims, whether in RTAs or other situations, as heros? - Just a food for thought.

 

You've shown us an inspirational video, we all thank you for it. But you have to realise, its a different story country to country. The soldiers in your clip, whether commercial or real, depict soldiers who fight REAL wars.. not stimulated ones...

Let's compare apples to apples shall we, afterall, they don't pay COE in countries where the soldiers in your clip comes from.

 

cheers

 

True, the clip was showing soldiers from the US and the American public.

True, that the public appreciates their military.

Also true, that the American public appreciate all military.

They will not hesistate in public places to go up to a soldier in another country's uniform to thank them for serving. Singapore military men have been thanked.

American airlines will not hesistate to upgrade military men in uniform (regardless of country). Singapore military personnel have been upgraded.

What war is the US fighting now?

Where are they deployed? Afghanistan? Gulf of Aden?

 

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