Engineering career anyone?

[Porker]

People here have very high salary expectation it seems.

 

 

I don't really want to slam you but your shitty a$$ statement really sticks out like a sore thumb. Tell me who doesn't want to progress and make more money especially in a country where cost is rising exponentially versus pay raise?

 

Why don't you come back here and work with your low salary expectation?

[Kangadrool]

yeah, and buy subsidised housing at freaking high prices + bread and butter car at obscene price and still have to face jams everywhere.

 

 

I don't really want to slam you but your shitty a$$ statement really sticks out like a sore thumb. Tell me who doesn't want to progress and make more money especially in a country where cost is rising exponentially versus pay raise?

 

Why don't you come back here and work with your low salary expectation?

 

[Oblong]

There's a famous engineer among our political leaders...

 

She's none other than ..

Jamban lady graduated from NUS and NTU, but those are not the top 50 uni in her times.

TCH first class honour in electrical engineering and management science (Manchester)

Masters in comp science (distinction), imperial college (don't play play).

LSS is also a first class honour in electronics, comp and systems engineering (Loughborough U)

Gan kim yong (first degree) engineering in cambridge.

The current cabinet with the most impressive academic credentials (Engineering related) could be Yaacob.

 

Dr Yaacob Ibrahim graduated from the University of Singapore with a Bachelor of Engineering degree in Civil Engineering (Honours) (1980), and a Master of Science in Civil Engineering (1984). He worked as a structural engineer before proceeding to pursue a PhD at Stanford University in 1984.

In 1990, after a stint at Cornell University as a post-doctoral fellow, he returned to Singapore and joined NUS. He served in the Department of Industrial and Systems Engineering as an Associate Professor until 1998. During his time at NUS, he received a departmental Teaching Excellence Award and in 1997, co-founded the Centre for Robust Design, which undertook research into reliability issues relating to products and processes of industries in Singapore.

 

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/civil-engineering-rankings?int=grad:wid:pfbtm&int=7635ec

[Kb27]

 

actually it is.

 

just to hit manager in a manufacturing enviroment probably needs at least 10 yrs exp. even that is optimistically.

 

i know many good engineers still stuck at SE level simply because those on top no move, those below can't move up.

 

and the spots are limited.

 

And when you're a manager, you get the boot (due to retrenchment), you can never find another same job; as they are many waiting to go up and those in that position hang on for dear life.

 

Not to mention thousands of FT eyeing that position and even lower.

They also accept lower pay without blinking an eye.

 

So yeah, go to engineering and take your chance...or NOT in the first place.

[Little_prince]

 

And when you're a manager, you get the boot (due to retrenchment), you can never find another same job; as they are many waiting to go up and those in that position hang on for dear life.

 

Not to mention thousands of FT eyeing that position and even lower.

They also accept lower pay without blinking an eye.

 

So yeah, go to engineering and take your chance...or NOT in the first place.

your advice 10yrs too late for me. Lol

[Vulcann]

your advice 10yrs too late for me. Lol

 

Mine is 27 years too late....

[Achtung]

I am totally in sync with this news working in one of the key engineering university in SG with MIT.

 

Engineering is no longer sexy......

 

Read the following article from the ST Forum today.

 

Basically IES will be fighting a uphill battle trying to encourage locals taking up engineering as a career. Stepping stone yes but to practice hardcore engineering until retirement maybe not for most.

 

Sad fact is engineering is not that glamorous nor sexy a career as compared to say accounts or banking.

 

Remuneration package is unattractive unless you are in a very specialised field say the oil & gas sector.

 

Even PEs also pai tan with many consultancies in the industry all fighting over the few available jobs.

 

From ST Forum:

 

Efforts to revive interest in engineering

Published on Feb 10, 2014

WE THANK Mr David Goh for raising an issue that is critical to the future of Singapore ("Revive interest in engineering"; Jan 30).

 

It is true that we need to continue to pull in the brightest students into engineering, to keep our infrastructure robust, our economy competitive and retain a high quality of life.

 

Compared with 30 to 40 years ago, it is a challenge now to get students to choose to study engineering, and to encourage engineering graduates to pursue engineering as a career.

 

This is because the younger generation perceives engineering as a harsh and average-paying job that is limited to construction work.

 

In reality, engineering is an exciting, promising and greatly rewarding profession.

As global problems such as climate change and energy shortage become more serious, engineers are increasingly being sought after.

 

Many new engineering disciplines, such as aerospace engineering, environmental engineering and biomedical engineering, have also emerged, offering a myriad of choices and opportunities to make a difference to the world.

 

An engineering career can lead to great things. Many engineers in Singapore have gone on to become captains of industry.

 

Mr Satya Nadella, the new head of Microsoft, is an engineer by training.

 

To alleviate the shortage of engineers, the Institution of Engineers, Singapore (IES), As the national society of engineers, has been working closely with government agencies to appeal to local young talents to join the profession, through National Engineers Day and other activities.

 

We have also encouraged engineers based overseas to return and work in Singapore.

 

In September last year, IES launched the Chartered Engineer Programme to raise the standards of engineering and the profile of engineers.

 

Through this accreditation, we aim to give qualified engineers the salaries they deserve.

 

In Britain, engineers who are chartered are paid as much as 40 per cent more than their non-chartered peers. With the support of industry players, we are moving in that direction as well.

 

For parents with ambitious and talented children looking for successful careers and the ability to make an impact on the world, it is time to place engineering as a career of choice again.

 

Joe Eades

 

Council Member

 

The Institution of Engineers, Singapore (IES)

 

 

(source: http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/efforts-revive-interest-engineering-20140210 )

 

[RadX]

 

I don't really want to slam you but your shitty a$$ statement really sticks out like a sore thumb. Tell me who doesn't want to progress and make more money especially in a country where cost is rising exponentially versus pay raise?

 

Why don't you come back here and work with your low salary expectation?

 

 

well said brudder. I have no comments for him for the longest time as the superiority attitude prevails with his 'over here' statements. Bloody obnoxius, and thus ended in the ignore list.

 

As you said rightly, walk the talk and bring your a$$ here then

[Vulcann]

I am totally in sync with this news working in one of the key engineering university in SG with MIT.

 

Engineering is no longer sexy......

 

 

 

There was a time in the late nineties or early twenties when many opted for this field.

 

I knew because one young chap then became my colleague and he was from that era.

 

Straight A student but disillusioned when in this industry.

 

Now a teacher in a school (should be a HOD by now) and HLF.

 

My time though engineering was a dumping ground...

[Albeniz]

During my time, many were half-lured and "semi-con" into the microelectronics industry.

 

[Little_prince]

During my time, many were half-lured and "semi-con" into the microelectronics industry.

 

yeah. My time it was gold mine. High starting pay. And OT for engineers some more.

 

My friend there fresh grad with shift allowances and ot pay easily 6k

[Vidz]

the problem i think is that engineering jobs are relatively lowly paid in Singapore, relative to the requirements...

 

in school you already study like shit, while your friends party like no tomorrow... they are more like part-time student doing 50% of what engineering courses are doing...

 

going into the industry takes a long time to earn your stripes, before you see some light at the tunnel, while others in banking and finance are making big bucks since day one... jumping from one ship to another...

 

unless one is really interested, they wouldn't stay long in engineering... who wants?

Edited February 11, 2014 by Vidz

[GLZT]

Just wait till there are very few engineers, then most company will bo bian increase pay like gov for SAF and teaching industry.

Edited February 11, 2014 by GLZT

[Little_prince]

Just wait till there are very few engineers, then most company will bo bian increase pay like gov for SAF and teaching industry.

that's the problem. there's no shortage of engineers from china and india. willing to take low pay and do the same job.

 

you go to any wafer fab and you'll see most of the engineers there are all ah tiongs and ah nehs. very few locals. now even those myanmar engineers also coming in.

 

but that said, banking although they say that's where the big bucks lies. is also inherently unstable. alot of banks are restructuring and cutting pay/bonus.

 

hearing alot of talk of back office work moving to low cost countries like india and pinoyland.

During my time, many were half-lured and "semi-con" into the microelectronics industry.

 

at that time govt pushing everyone there mah. selling it as the 'in' thing.

 

then it was the biomedical push. which was another unsuccessful push.

 

only aviation seems slightly more positive. but even then, currently not doing well and not likely to do well in the next few yrs.

[Duckduck]

FYI:

 

 

Looks like accountants auditors n property agent gona b extinct soon. pilots also?

Edited February 11, 2014 by Duckduck

[Vulcann]

Just wait till there are very few engineers, then most company will bo bian increase pay like gov for SAF and teaching industry.

 

From what I have observing, not likely to happen in the local construction industry at least in the near future.

 

From my experience, 70-80% of the staff from the consultants and contractors are made up of foreigners (& I consider M'sians local btw). If not for MOM's requirement to have some locals, the foreign staff percentage can even go up to 90% in these companies.

 

These foreign engineers are eager as they are hungry for jobs and do not mind the less than satisfactory pay nor long working hours. Some of them are quite competent and know their stuff pretty well

 

With fewer locals joining in, I guess the clock is ticking until one day when all these foreign engineers does a mass exodus on us when there are better opportunities else where

 

Then we as a nation will wither and die....

[Karless]

 

I don't really want to slam you but your shitty a$$ statement really sticks out like a sore thumb. Tell me who doesn't want to progress and make more money especially in a country where cost is rising exponentially versus pay raise?

 

Why don't you come back here and work with your low salary expectation?

 

Thank you very much.

 

I'm an engineer that is experiencing the high rising cost versus low pay raise in recent years. And i think i am the slightly better ones compared to many other peers.

[Kangadrool]

The world's oldest profession is still the safest from job loss.

 

For accountants/finance professionals, there will still be a need for those with creativity to dress up the books.

 

For pilots, it is already now possible to be pilot-less provided you dare to fly on it. Probably, you will see airlines cutting costs, and in place of pilots, there will be flight operators onboard instead.

 

How cum never mentioned used car dealers?

 

FYI:

 

 

Looks like accountants auditors n property agent gona b extinct soon. pilots also?