EURO 2016 Final

[Scion]

now waiting for ah bui Rooney to announce his international retirement....

 

might as well, since he has lost his place in the forward position and he's not exactly good as a midfielder or playmaker

[Bismarck]

now waiting for ah bui Rooney to announce his international retirement....

 

might as well, since he has lost his place in the forward position and he's not exactly good as a midfielder or playmaker

 

Rooney has told the media he will always be available as long as England wants him. 

[mersaylee]

Rooney has told the media he will always be available as long as England wants him.

死赖不走非英熊

[Bismarck]

After seeing some of the choices suggested by members here I think I go with @Othello's pick of the best man for the job just for laughs and overtake Woy as the worst   Woy is totally delusional and arrogant. The best man for the job will top it all because he is a fraud. 

 

 

死赖不走非英熊

 

So nice of you to use 英， I would have use 狗熊 

[Atrecord]

Rooney has told the media he will always be available as long as England wants him. 

 

So thick-skinned arrh?

死赖不走非英熊

 

整个英国⚽️队现在都象狗熊

[Spring]

So thick-skinned arrh?

 

整个英国⚽️队现在都象狗熊

 

Actually I have the opposite view, not giving up and still wanting to play for your country despite repeated failures is to be admired

 

As long as you give your best and provided the National Coach still picks you, you should make yourself available and not be like some players who take the easy option out by retiring when it's obvious you still can contribute. A lot of pressure playing for a rich footballing country like England and lots of critics waiting to shoot you down. A certain best player in the World quit just cos he faced repeated failures   

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Had been receiving reports of unhappiness in England camp during Euro 2016 on some senior players.

 

So after exit, reports are pouring in to the press. The press are keeping     so that Three Lions can concentrate on their game but since exit, now they are coming out with the reports...

 

One of the report......

 

 

Yahoo : Euro 2016: England fail again - but why?

 

It is easy to suggest that the England players are hubristic, narcissistic, selfish, overpaid and lazy. Because, superficially, it appears that they can sometimes exhibit these traits. After the defeat to Iceland last night, it is even more tempting to buy into this idea of England as a bunch of self-serving clowns. But it doesn’t quite sit right. England are a very bad side, obviously, but it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny that the problem is their arrogance. Young English footballers are given a great deal that most in this and other countries will forever do without. They are paid huge amounts of money to perform, and yet they don’t for England. However, you only have to look at how they perform for their clubs to see that it is too easy to suggest the usual criticisms hold completely true.

 

The worst two influences for England, on the pitch, are Joe Hart and Wayne Rooney. Hart conspicuously shouting in the tunnel before the match, reminiscent of him screaming at a ball boy in a previous match, was almost certainly no use at all to the less experienced players around him. His veins were full of adrenaline, and when he stepped on the pitch he was unable to perform basic tasks, such as saving to his left. He is the worst form of thinking that passion is a substitute for leadership, and for making sure that he leads by the wrong example rather than simply doing his job to an acceptable level.

 

Rooney, on the other hand, leads the players with his friendly demeanour to those around him. He seems to be liked by most people around him, and well respected. He has won almost every trophy going, played hundreds of games for Manchester United, and at times been by far the best player for both teams. But he is now simply an awful player, feted as a statesman of both sides, and rewarded absurdly well for it. Everyone should know how bad he is now, but it still seems like it is impossible that more than a handful will ever accept it. He is an actively negative presence on the pitch.

 

 

Learn more, read link : https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/england-fail-again-why-104224261.html

 

 

 

Read also : England's Euros exit made for some amusing newspaper headlines

 

link : https://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-fc-yahoo/newspaper-headlines-mock-england-s-euros-exit-174753529.html

 

 

 

 

 

[Scion]

Actually I have the opposite view, not giving up and still wanting to play for your country despite repeated failures is to be admired

 

As long as you give your best and provided the National Coach still picks you, you should make yourself available and not be like some players who take the easy option out by retiring when it's obvious you still can contribute. A lot of pressure playing for a rich footballing country like England and lots of critics waiting to shoot you down. A certain best player in the World quit just cos he faced repeated failures   

 

think Messi quits because he's fedup with Argentina FA and also he's not appreciated by the Argentines... many Argentines dun feel he's one of them because he left the country at a very young age

[Atrecord]

Actually I have the opposite view, not giving up and still wanting to play for your country despite repeated failures is to be admired

 

As long as you give your best and provided the National Coach still picks you, you should make yourself available and not be like some players who take the easy option out by retiring when it's obvious you still can contribute. A lot of pressure playing for a rich footballing country like England and lots of critics waiting to shoot you down. A certain best player in the World quit just cos he faced repeated failures   

 

All right. I don't disagree with you. It's good if one is always ready when called upon.

 

But there are also other factors, as we know that senior players have power, esp. in teams in/like England, where managers come and go. Mgrs often rely on senior players to help them when settling in and to bring ideas across.

 

With power, it is difficult to not give face or not pick the senior players - even if they are not playing well. So if the senior players - esp the captain - is not playing well but the mgr is obliged to still pick him, then the team will suffer. Hence the best option for a senior player/captain who is no longer playing well, is to openly say he should no longer be considered for selection, thus freeing the mgr from the obligation to select him - and allowing the mgr a free hand to choose better players and show his own authority on the team. That's what Beckham and Gerrard did when their time came.

 

For Rooney, not sure if it's just a dip in form, or is his decline permanent. He's been poor for a long time now, so maybe it's not temporary, much as he's not admitting it.

 

For Messi, there's still no one better than him. He can definitely still contribute so should not retire from the team. What he should do is to tell the coach to find another leader to be captain, thus relieving his burden of being captain, while still contributing to the team cos he can.

 

Rooney's case: must decide whether he can still contribute. Or is he blocking better players being picked...

[Tonyng]

Can someone explain to me - how a population-300K country, traditionally good at handball, with few months of summer-time and only a fraction of our football stadium numbers, emerge suddenly to perform so well at one of the most competitive league cups? 

 

England may have lost.

 

But I see the bigger joke on us. 

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Can someone explain to me - how a population-300K country, traditionally good at handball, with few months of summer-time and only a fraction of our football stadium numbers, emerge suddenly to perform so well at one of the most competitive league cups? 

 

England may have lost.

 

But I see the bigger joke on us. 

 

They got no pressure on KPI ....

 

We got one in the past, one ministar targeted 2010 WC final ...

[SkyDevils]

Can someone explain to me - how a population-300K country, traditionally good at handball, with few months of summer-time and only a fraction of our football stadium numbers, emerge suddenly to perform so well at one of the most competitive league cups? 

 

England may have lost.

 

But I see the bigger joke on us. 

 

Cause England produce BUTTERED hand keeper [laugh]

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Cause England produce BUTTERED hand keeper [laugh]

 

English players couldn't brush off the temptation of French chicks  ...

 

After training, piak French chicks and during games, kaki lembek ....

 

Heard one of the unhappiness was over Vardy brought his gf or wife to the hotel and Rooney not happy. Scared that words spread over his French chick in Rooney room...

Edited June 29, 2016 by Picnic06-Biante15

[Spring]

All right. I don't disagree with you. It's good if one is always ready when called upon.

 

But there are also other factors, as we know that senior players have power, esp. in teams in/like England, where managers come and go. Mgrs often rely on senior players to help them when settling in and to bring ideas across.

 

With power, it is difficult to not give face or not pick the senior players - even if they are not playing well. So if the senior players - esp the captain - is not playing well but the mgr is obliged to still pick him, then the team will suffer. Hence the best option for a senior player/captain who is no longer playing well, is to openly say he should no longer be considered for selection, thus freeing the mgr from the obligation to select him - and allowing the mgr a free hand to choose better players and show his own authority on the team. That's what Beckham and Gerrard did when their time came.

 

For Rooney, not sure if it's just a dip in form, or is his decline permanent. He's been poor for a long time now, so maybe it's not temporary, much as he's not admitting it.

 

For Messi, there's still no one better than him. He can definitely still contribute so should not retire from the team. What he should do is to tell the coach to find another leader to be captain, thus relieving his burden of being captain, while still contributing to the team cos he can.

 

Rooney's case: must decide whether he can still contribute. Or is he blocking better players being picked...

 

I see your point on Mgr being beholden to Rooney which might be the case for Hodgson. Rooney started very young for England, so naturally he will decline early as well. Mgr is so important and he can't be showing favoritism. The successful Mgrs are very strong minded n most important don't allow player power to hold them ransom!! Admittedly, this is easier at club level unlike National team where there is only so much players you can choose from.

 

I'm disappointed in Messi not for not winning but for quitting. I know a lot is on his shoulders being the best player in the world but it shows u up if you give up so easily. The best players are strong mentally. Easy to be in winning team, difficult to accept losing but all sportsmen lose at some point or other and you show character by bouncing back and proving your critics wrong. He could be on the winning team at the 2018 WC n sticking his fingers up his critics ass so throwing in the towel now only gives them more ammunition!!

Edited June 29, 2016 by Spring

[Acemundo]

Can someone explain to me - how a population-300K country, traditionally good at handball, with few months of summer-time and only a fraction of our football stadium numbers, emerge suddenly to perform so well at one of the most competitive league cups? 

 

England may have lost.

 

But I see the bigger joke on us. 

i think this is culmination of few factors at play

 

1) genetics - you have to accept that Chinese genes are the worst in producing sportsmen of sports games whose success is highly dependent on muscular strength.  in Singapore we have the largest population of ethnic Chinese.  Caucasian (i think Icelandic folks belong to this category) genes are probably second to the African genes when it comes to producing strong atheletes.

 

2) culture and attitude - in Singapore, it is not very conducive for sports development as a whole given that our people tend not to believe in grooming their kids up for sports as it doesn't pay well to be sportsmen here. 

 

3) infrastructure - I was reading that Iceland have very high density of football related infrastructure like Uefa B licence coaches.  in Singapore, what do we have for coaching?  even the hire of foreign coaches like Stange is questionable at best.

Can someone explain to me - how a population-300K country, traditionally good at handball, with few months of summer-time and only a fraction of our football stadium numbers, emerge suddenly to perform so well at one of the most competitive league cups? 

 

England may have lost.

 

But I see the bigger joke on us. 

i think this is culmination of few factors at play

 

1) genetics - you have to accept that Chinese genes are the worst in producing sportsmen of sports games whose success is highly dependent on muscular strength.  in Singapore we have the largest population of ethnic Chinese.  Caucasian (i think Icelandic folks belong to this category) genes are probably second to the African genes when it comes to producing strong atheletes.

 

2) culture and attitude - in Singapore, it is not very conducive for sports development as a whole given that our people tend not to believe in grooming their kids up for sports as it doesn't pay well to be sportsmen here. 

 

3) infrastructure - I was reading that Iceland have very high density of football related infrastructure like Uefa B licence coaches.  in Singapore, what do we have for coaching?  even the hire of foreign coaches like Stange is questionable at best.

[Spring]

Arsene Wenger to be England Mgr in 1 year's time? Good choice if you ask me and also one of the two criticisms always being leveled at him ie being too price sensitive/wants value in the transfer market will not happen anymore.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3664812/Arsene-Wenger-emerges-No-1-England-target-FA-willing-appoint-interim-manager-turning-Arsenal-boss.html

 

Steven Gerrard feels weight of history has created a culture of fear in the England squad, I agree so Messi not the only one feeling pressure:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/29/weight-of-history-has-led-to-culture-of-fear-for-england-and-tha/

[Acemundo]

Arsene Wenger to be England Mgr in 1 year's time? Good choice if you ask me and also one of the two criticisms always being leveled at him ie being too price sensitive/wants value in the transfer market will not happen anymore.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3664812/Arsene-Wenger-emerges-No-1-England-target-FA-willing-appoint-interim-manager-turning-Arsenal-boss.html

 

Steven Gerrard feels weight of history has created a culture of fear in the England squad, I agree so Messi not the only one feeling pressure:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/29/weight-of-history-has-led-to-culture-of-fear-for-england-and-tha/

 

with messi case, I can understand there is weight of history and expectation given the number of trophies he has won with Barcelona.  but with England case, they only won the world cup once and are not exactly favorites in most tournaments.  why are they feeling the weight of expectations?  just because they had more fans worldwide or they are the birth place (even though there are write-ups that suggest otherwise) of football? 

Edited June 29, 2016 by Acemundo

[Beregond]

i think this is culmination of few factors at play

 

1) genetics - you have to accept that Chinese genes are the worst in producing sportsmen of sports games whose success is highly dependent on muscular strength.  in Singapore we have the largest population of ethnic Chinese.  Caucasian (i think Icelandic folks belong to this category) genes are probably second to the African genes when it comes to producing strong atheletes.

 

2) culture and attitude - in Singapore, it is not very conducive for sports development as a whole given that our people tend not to believe in grooming their kids up for sports as it doesn't pay well to be sportsmen here. 

 

3) infrastructure - I was reading that Iceland have very high density of football related infrastructure like Uefa B licence coaches.  in Singapore, what do we have for coaching?  even the hire of foreign coaches like Stange is questionable at best.

i think this is culmination of few factors at play

 

1) genetics - you have to accept that Chinese genes are the worst in producing sportsmen of sports games whose success is highly dependent on muscular strength.  in Singapore we have the largest population of ethnic Chinese.  Caucasian (i think Icelandic folks belong to this category) genes are probably second to the African genes when it comes to producing strong atheletes.

 

2) culture and attitude - in Singapore, it is not very conducive for sports development as a whole given that our people tend not to believe in grooming their kids up for sports as it doesn't pay well to be sportsmen here. 

 

3) infrastructure - I was reading that Iceland have very high density of football related infrastructure like Uefa B licence coaches.  in Singapore, what do we have for coaching?  even the hire of foreign coaches like Stange is questionable at best.

other point I have to agree, but point 1??

I dun think soccer is a sport that rely on muscular strength.

and Chinese excel in sport that rely on as much muscular strength as soccer example table tennis, badminton.

 

but why not Singaporean Chinese. exactly as u said in 1 n 2.