KIA Stinger GT

[Mkl22]

Might not always be the case if you've owned cars that do not sell in numbers.

 

Particularly when the existing model is replaced, spare parts can be a pain.

FYI I speak from experience.

[Rayoflight]

As usual, if dont wan brand new wait for preowned.

 

Im sure u can get a preowned at a steal 2yrs down the road..

[Theoldjaffa]

Might not always be the case if you've owned cars that do not sell in numbers.

 

Particularly when the existing model is replaced, spare parts can be a pain.

I've owned two Alfas one of which was the only 3 remaining in SG afaik (Alfa GT 3.2V6)

 

I can tell you the spares are not a problem if u know where to get.

 

I'm sure the Stinger will sell in larger numbers worldwide compared to this Alfa so spares should not be an issue.

[Vinceng]

Demand and supply will keep the price high

I suspect there are a lot more demand than supply for second hand stinger, esp 3.3l

Edited January 14, 2018 by Vinceng

[flashbang]

I felt the writer, Chris Tan was very diplomatic in his comments on the Stinger.

 

End of the day, it's a "You pad my back, I pad yours" unspoken code of conduct between motoring journalists and car distributors.

 

The true blue motoring journalists like Dr Winston Lee no longer review new launches. Unfortunately, for the doc, his hormones got the better of him and he left the scene (or rather, was asked to go) after his conviction. 

 

Do they come with the car from Korea or installed in Singapore?

 

... and end up resembling the China ''King Long" logo, which many Kia owners have put on their Kia.

 

King Long logo

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Kia 'K' logo

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The K logo is not too bad, even though it's not an official one. Sadly they chose a boring "KIA" for their logo, that's why people want to change.

[Enye]

Road tax should not be an issue if you can afford a $200K car.

 

Real problem is the availability of spare parts with the limited numbers expected to be sold.

 

C&C is unlikely to store spare parts. C&C does not even store spare parts like front and rear lamps for its number 1 seller - the Kia Forte Cerato K3 1.6

 

And the 3.3l Stinger will be sold on indent after the single digit numbers in existing stock are sold.

 

Good luck to all who intend to commit on the Stinger.

ok sorry... i peasant cannot afford a 200k car then

 

 

[RogerNg_185295]

As usual, if dont wan brand new wait for preowned.

 

Im sure u can get a preowned at a steal 2yrs down the road..

But the condition is a big ????

[teomingern]

Take the used Hyundai Azera 3.3 as an example - there are hardly any buyers and I know of a recently transacted one that went for a mere $6K+ annual depreciation after advertised for months. Owner sold at a song to cut loss

 

There's also a Hyundai Genesis 3.8 on sale now, asking almost $18K annual depreciation.

 

I'd rather get a BMW 730iL long wheel base at $13K annual depreciation.

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=709146&DL=2563

I don't know if you're aware but most Hyundai and Kia cars use the same spare parts for many bits and pieces... for example the aircon air filter is the same from the smallest Elantra to the Azera... I'm sure the oil filter and fuel filter would be similar too... and so it is with many parts... other larger items like gearboxes, clutches, etc should not be a problem... in today's globalized context, not difficult to ship parts in... and also note that Hyundai and Kia cars sell is very large numbers back in Korea, so sure got spare parts... given that they don't have COE system, I'm sure they keep stock for all their models for 10 years minimum... that's what I understand from people in the car business...

[RogerNg_185295]

I don't know if you're aware but most Hyundai and Kia cars use the same spare parts for many bits and pieces... for example the aircon air filter is the same from the smallest Elantra to the Azera... I'm sure the oil filter and fuel filter would be similar too... and so it is with many parts... other larger items like gearboxes, clutches, etc should not be a problem... in today's globalized context, not difficult to ship parts in... and also note that Hyundai and Kia cars sell is very large numbers back in Korea, so sure got spare parts... given that they don't have COE system, I'm sure they keep stock for all their models for 10 years minimum... that's what I understand from people in the car business...

But whether local stockists will keep stock for old models is an issue

[teomingern]

But whether local stockists will keep stock for old models is an issue

Huh? Bro... they'll just order for you... you get it the parts in 2 weeks... that's all...

[Fcw75]

Some people just worry too much.

 

Life’s too short to be worried or pissed off all the time. It’s just not worth it.

 

Buy Altis the best.

[Wc1984]

It's selling more expensive than the Audi A4 2.0 at the motorshow. It's a pretty good car, but still not comparable to the germans. Asked a sales guy what's the pitch to price it higher than the A4, the guy had no answer, simply said "the car speaks for itself". If i let the car speak for itself, this is a 150k car at best. Other than the hype, rationally it's definitely not a good buy at this price point.

[fungyee77]

I have the same views as you but the difference is, you write better than me ð

 

If there's a digital instrument cluster (need not be Audi VC type) and a better quality steering wheel and badge, it'll be great.

 

But as a Halo car from Kia, I really think out is a great product from them.

Haha thanks bro.

 

Think the interest generated in this thread is evidence that Kia has struck the right chords with the Stinger.

[fungyee77]

It's selling more expensive than the Audi A4 2.0 at the motorshow. It's a pretty good car, but still not comparable to the germans. Asked a sales guy what's the pitch to price it higher than the A4, the guy had no answer, simply said "the car speaks for itself". If i let the car speak for itself, this is a 150k car at best. Other than the hype, rationally it's definitely not a good buy at this price point.

To be fair, it's a totally different performance envelope though. That's the value proposition for enthusiasts who care about those things.

 

For most people, I fully agree that the A4 probably makes more sense.

 

To put things in the right perspective, the Civic Type R, Cupra R, and Golf R (and GTI) are also more expensive than the A4 2.0.

[jjandyy]

It's selling more expensive than the Audi A4 2.0 at the motorshow. It's a pretty good car, but still not comparable to the germans. Asked a sales guy what's the pitch to price it higher than the A4, the guy had no answer, simply said "the car speaks for itself". If i let the car speak for itself, this is a 150k car at best. Other than the hype, rationally it's definitely not a good buy at this price point.

 

 

Totally support the response of the salesperson. The question posed is pointless to begin with.

 

If I am the salesperson, I would asked back, why A4? Wny not Altis which is way cheaper? Or CRV which is probably on similar price point? My point is, A4 and Stinger (and Altis, CRV) are in totally different product categories. if you cannot see the difference between the product offerings and just look at price points for some metals on 4 wheels, then you don't understand the product and ask irrelevant questions.

 

For a car with OMV of $34K, the basic cost (without COE) is already $85K without considering any other perks like free servicing, road tax etc. Add $10K VES for Stinger 2.0, and current COE of $45K, the basic cost comes up to $140K. Selling at $165K the margin for CnC is around 15%. Minus a few $K for free servicing, roadtax, freebies, the sales margin could be less than 13%. The question will be, is this a fair margin for a dealer who took the risk to run a multi-miilion dollar BUSINESS to bring cars to Singapore?

 

Of course, for people who just know how to complain a bowl of fishball noodle $3.50 is expensive, then this will not make sense to them. They would probably expect hawkers to sell fishball noodle at material cost price.

Edited January 14, 2018 by jjandyy

[t0y0ta]

It's selling more expensive than the Audi A4 2.0 at the motorshow. It's a pretty good car, but still not comparable to the germans. Asked a sales guy what's the pitch to price it higher than the A4, the guy had no answer, simply said "the car speaks for itself". If i let the car speak for itself, this is a 150k car at best. Other than the hype, rationally it's definitely not a good buy at this price point.

 

You are right... for most buyers, they see 160k and they compare and find they can find Harrier, A4 2.0, Q50, BMW X1 etc. They won't be able to appreciate rear wheel drive, track performance, steering feel etc.

 

In car show, one husband was trying to convince his wife who sat inside the Stinger - asking softly - "How does this feel compared to the Harrier", with a hopeful tone to his voice. Think the wife shot back a dirty look.

 

In my heart I hope eventually he managed to buy the Stinger..... 

[Wc1984]

Totally support the response of the salesperson. The question posed is pointless to begin with.

 

If I am the salesperson, I would asked back, why A4? Wny not Altis which is way cheaper? Or CRV which is probably on similar price point? My point is, A4 and Stinger (and Altis, CRV) are in totally different product categories. if you cannot see the difference between the product offerings and just look at price points for some metals on 4 wheels, then you don't understand the product and ask irrelevant questions.

 

For a car with OMV of $34K, the basic cost (without COE) is already $85K without considering any other perks like free servicing, road tax etc. Add $10K VES for Stinger 2.0, and current COE of $45K, the basic cost comes up to $140K. Selling at $165K the margin for CnC is around 15%. Minus a few $K for free servicing, roadtax, freebies, the sales margin could be less than 13%. The question will be, is this a fair margin for a dealer who took the risk to run a multi-miilion dollar BUSINESS to bring cars to Singapore?

 

Of course, for people who just know how to complain a bowl of fishball noodle $3.50 is expensive, then this will not make sense to them. They would probably expect hawkers to sell fishball noodle at material cost price.

Wow, that's a whole lot of flame there.. chillman, no need to get so angsty unless u r a kia agent?

 

Different people perceive value differently. Perhaps for some they value performance more than other factors, but for majority of Singaporeans, i bet the badge is more important, it was from that perspective that i was comparing it to the A4 and the A4 certainly isn't fishball noodle. ;)

 

And bro, as a salesperson, every question asked by a potential customer is a legitimate question (unless i was asking smth completely unrelated to the car). It wasn't a pointless question, if i am seriously considering between the A4 and the Stinger, he just lost a sale. That's where the quality of the agent differs.

Edited January 14, 2018 by Wc1984

[jjandyy]

Wow, that's a whole lot of flame there.. chillman, no need to get so angsty unless u r a kia agent?

 

Different people perceive value differently. Perhaps for some they value performance more than other factors, but for majority of Singaporeans, i bet the badge is more important, it was from that perspective that i was comparing it to the A4 and the A4 certainly isn't fishball noodle. ;)

If I am Kia or any car sales agent, I would have vomitted blood and died from the nonsense daily from ‘prospective’ car buyers. Prospective until they really bought a car.

 

This is more than just badge or understanding of the performance vs value, I just felt it is more of ignorance of what a product is offering, especially when we are not talking about fishball noodle or economic rice where the product differentiation is much lesser. Which I am glad you know A4 is not fishball noodle, but then I don’t understand your question comparing A4 and Stinger.

 

Also, I am guessing the sales agent would know the answer to your question, which I already illustrated in my calculation. He/she is probably just polite and not to hurt your feeling, which unfortunately I did. Sorry...

Edited January 14, 2018 by jjandyy