Full Totalitarian State - Xinjiang

[inlinesix]

17 minutes ago, Calford said:

You are extremely funny, how CCP brainwash us when most media are controlled by the west especially the US. 

That’s because you only read English media 

[Atrecord]

On 7/29/2020 at 8:47 AM, Lala81 said:

I don't mind. More security for my parents. Lol.

They wanted to travel there on-off for many years. Then major unrest in 2009, cannot go for few years. 
One year, they flew into shanghai wanting to try that domestic tour agency method, but told by tour operator not possible. 
Cos the usual places they been to liao, so usually they go the less traveled locales.  
Some years in singapore is book the tour then wait for enough pax to cheng2 tuan2. Sometimes cancel due to boh lang. 

Haha don't think my dad is big fan of sun wukong. Dunno why want to go there and see this. 
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/xinjiang/turpan/mt_flaming.htm

Your parents sound like China fans. My parents - esp my dad - too...

Made many trips to various parts of China, but many a times was back to our ancestral hometown to see relatives...

[Atrecord]

On 7/29/2020 at 9:09 AM, inlinesix said:

I went jiuzhaigou when it was just opened for tourist.

It is not easy to get used change in elevation despite days traveling in Mini Bus.

Wow, when was that? Must be earlier than when I went in 1996 i think. We signed up with the local Chinese and sat in a big bus - which then broke down at one point, and we waited for someone to come and fixed the bus. Had passed by 黄龙 , 大草原,  some snowy mountain, some snowy mountain, and  汶川 way before it was levelled by the big earthquake. Will never forget the toilet along the way. 

[Atrecord]

On 7/29/2020 at 9:19 AM, inlinesix said:

I went in 1997.

My China colleague told me it is very crowded now 

Oh, then i went before you. there was one stretch of road by the cliff, which just had erosion, and even after clearance the 2-direction road was narrowed till only one bus can pass by at any one time. bus from the opp direction must wait for the other bus to clear off first before it can move.

scary...

[Atrecord]

On 7/29/2020 at 9:28 AM, Lala81 said:

My parents maybe before the turn of the century too. 
Few years later, some singaporeans got hurt in accident. 
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-11/01/content_277519.htm

Not surprising to my parents, they said roads were dangerous.

I used to help them sort/select photos out to print.
This trip, i remembered them commenting on the accommodation/food. It's epic bad even by china standards.
Haha my parents told me go when it's developed. They said u won't be able to take the food 
 

At JZG, it was where I learnt that in China, it's stupid to order dishes like 姜葱炒牛肉，cos you will only find 姜 and 葱, and hardly any 牛肉. If i have a choice, i'll order 清炒牛肉 instead so that they can't give only the cheap stuff... 😅

[Atrecord]

On 7/29/2020 at 9:51 AM, inlinesix said:

I was lucky to travel in Japanese Mini Bus.

Being a young person in the group, I was given the last row.

I was bob up and down 8 hrs.

Other than luncheon meat, there is NO pork dish. The food was really terrible.

Our 大巴 also very jerky and shaky all the way. But good thing i was from Armour, so... bo dai ji 😄

[Atrecord]

3 hours ago, inlinesix said:

五角are ppl who can read it.

Nowadays, no more 五角.  Smelly smelly 五塊

yah, i went with a cousin on that trip.

Tot about it for a minute (about whether to ask the cashier selling ticket how much should we pay), then took out one RMB, and at the booth just said 两张！😆

 

[Atrecord]

2 hours ago, t0y0ta said:

not joking. if i try hard enough, i might have taken a pic of it then... it was prob worth the money (those days no digital cam, so photos and cameras were not extremely cheap...)

[Calford]

1 hour ago, inlinesix said:

That’s because you only read English media 

No US also controls some Chinese media and others from China Taiwan. eg: ntdtv and epochtimes

 

[Voodooman]

2 hours ago, Calford said:

Then Singapore is not the place for you to stay. Very sad to say... You are free to leave.

I don't believe freedom to protest is a basic human right. 

 

Even peaceful protest?

 

[Voodooman]

2 hours ago, Calford said:

We should not get brainwash by the west. They are not trusted, because they never trust us, they always believe they are more superior to us. 

If cannot protest and defy an unjust govt, we will still be under your beloved British colonial rule. 

[Calford]

10 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

Even peaceful protest?

 

Haha the word 'peaceful' is no longer peaceful, please look at the protest in HK for the past 1 yr.

[Calford]

10 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

If cannot protest and defy an unjust govt, we will still be under your beloved British colonial rule. 

We Chinese can take care of ourselves, we have our own way of ruling the country. The west should not be in the east, their system don't work for us.  

[Voodooman]

14 minutes ago, Calford said:

We Chinese can take care of ourselves, we have our own way of ruling the country. The west should not be in the east, their system don't work for us.  

I am Singaporean. 

[Calford]

13 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

  Singapore is managed by Chinese

 

   

[Victor68]

If one reads prof koh's article in today's ST. China and japan: will they ever reconcile? It is not difficult to analyse why asia is still behind the west in many aspects. Big question is why and who is behind this? Pro Koh says he doesn't know but I think jst doesn't want to say it.

[inlinesix]

7 hours ago, Calford said:

No US also controls some Chinese media and others from China Taiwan. eg: ntdtv and epochtimes

Clear evidence of brainwashing

😂

[Playtime]

On 7/29/2020 at 9:00 AM, t0y0ta said:

There are 2 distinct narratives at play here.

The Western narrative is that China is colonial master and there are atrocities and police state in the Western provinces. The evidence they usually pull out are pictures of the smiley Dalai Lama, and murmurings of uigher camps. Their narrative dominates the Rest Of World thanks to their control of mass media.

The Chinese narrative is that these lands, esp Tibet under the religious rule had subjected to general population to serfdom and a miserable existence. China has brought prosperity and real development and also the non-Han minority citizens are accorded higher legal status in their system.

Having read both sides, I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

It's quite easy. 

Just ask the locals there what they want. It's like a farmer saying he gives his tightly caged animals the best food... even better than his own pet dog.. 

But if it's all good. Why need to have concentration camp type controls. 

Even few years ago.. I was rather neutral.. since it's their "internal affairs", but now,  China is clearly trying to impose her political system on the outside world. Xis "China's dream" I guess.