Full Totalitarian State - Xinjiang

[Enye]

On 7/29/2020 at 8:47 AM, Lala81 said:

I don't mind. More security for my parents. Lol.

They wanted to travel there on-off for many years. Then major unrest in 2009, cannot go for few years. 
One year, they flew into shanghai wanting to try that domestic tour agency method, but told by tour operator not possible. 
Cos the usual places they been to liao, so usually they go the less traveled locales.  
Some years in singapore is book the tour then wait for enough pax to cheng2 tuan2. Sometimes cancel due to boh lang. 

Haha don't think my dad is big fan of sun wukong. Dunno why want to go there and see this. 
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/xinjiang/turpan/mt_flaming.htm

火焰山 was a really nice attraction ... though quite hot.  was 60+ C when i was there 😅

there were also quite a bit of other attractions in turpan and grapes/raisins there very nice.

trading post which was part of the silk road... east meet west kind of culture there

if go to xinjiang must plan more time there to explore various attractions .  a lot to offer and once in a lifetime thing for me at least.

biggest let down of the trip was 天山天池was foggy the day i visited.  so didn’t manage to see the scenic view.  it was said that the weather would be foggy whenever the goddesses and fairies are taking their baths there

🤣

 

[Playtime]

29 minutes ago, Enye said:

火焰山 was a really nice attraction ... though quite hot.  was 60+ C when i was there 😅

there were also quite a bit of other attractions in turpan and grapes/raisins there very nice.

60c .. wow... that's death valley hot.

I remember reaching death valley and my car was low on fuel and drinking water.  Was looking at the warning sign about the deadly dangers of getting stuck there. 😬

Lucky found a unmanned pump station.. it accepted visa.. phew..

 

And yeah... atb got good raisins,  sweet and plump right? 🤣

Edited July 31, 2020 by Playtime

[Lala81]

29 minutes ago, Enye said:

火焰山 was a really nice attraction ... though quite hot.  was 60+ C when i was there 😅

there were also quite a bit of other attractions in turpan and grapes/raisins there very nice.

trading post which was part of the silk road... east meet west kind of culture there

if go to xinjiang must plan more time there to explore various attractions .  a lot to offer and once in a lifetime thing for me at least.

biggest let down of the trip was 天山天池was foggy the day i visited.  so didn’t manage to see the scenic view.  it was said that the weather would be foggy whenever the goddesses and fairies are taking their baths there

🤣

 

oh yeah my parents bought back a lot of raisins. But they aren't as sweet as regular sunmaid raisins, so my kids reject haha.

My parents did the whole xinjiang i think. They did north and south xinjiang. They extended another 4-5 days to cover the less covered side. They went for 14-15 days iirc.

 

[Calford]

3 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Clear evidence of brainwashing

😂

Taiwan is part of China, that is the fact. This is recognized by the whole world, 'one China' policy. There are less than 22 countries in the world that recognize Taiwan as an independent state.  

[Jamesc]

On 7/28/2020 at 11:06 PM, t0y0ta said:

Traditional China empire (Han, Song, Tang, Ming etc) did not rule over places like Tibet and Mongolia, instead they were treated as barbaric lands to be kept in check and mostly as vassal states who had to pledge loyalty to the Chinese emperor and send regular tribute.

The manchurians expanded the boundaries of their Qing empire to include the current northern provinces such as Heilongjiang, Liaoning which are the home of the manchus (descended from Jurchen; Khitans)  as well as the north-west (Mongolian plains - which one of the Qing emperor renamed as "Xin Jiang" - New Border) and also the western region of Tibet, although it was a looser tributary relationship and formal annexation was during the PRC period.

So the current geographically HUGE china is really a direct result of the Qing empire joining up all the conquered lands and very surprisingly holding on to it through the chaos of the Taiping rebellion, the 8army foreign invasion, the 1911 revolution and the 1940s civil war.

So they not so smart lah.

Never fought for independence when China was having a civil war.

Thank goodness our forefathers fought for independence.

If not maybe we still under the British.

China always say they never use force and conquer other countries like the evil west.

So its not true lah.

[Enye]

24 minutes ago, Lala81 said:

oh yeah my parents bought back a lot of raisins. But they aren't as sweet as regular sunmaid raisins, so my kids reject haha.

 

haha ... the tour groups are brought to different local hosts who are in the business of planting the grapes and dry them to become raisins.  

they earn more selling to tour groups instead of the usual middleman who collects from these farmers to redistribute.  hosting tour groups supplements the income of these farmers and is licensed by the local govt. 

the host and his family will entertain the groups with song and dance performances and provide all kinds of fresh fruits to eat then proceed to sell the raisins to tourists.  for local tourists, the host can even arrange for delivery to any part of china if buy in cartons. some local tourists will arrange 1 carton each to different locations for their family, relatives and friends.

quite hard life for these hosts lah but i only bought a small packet of a few hundred grams to support due to limited luggage capacity

guess your parents fell for their marketing hard sell then

🤣

[Lala81]

40 minutes ago, Enye said:

haha ... the tour groups are brought to different local hosts who are in the business of planting the grapes and dry them to become raisins.  

they earn more selling to tour groups instead of the usual middleman who collects from these farmers to redistribute.  hosting tour groups supplements the income of these farmers and is licensed by the local govt. 

the host and his family will entertain the groups with song and dance performances and provide all kinds of fresh fruits to eat then proceed to sell the raisins to tourists.  for local tourists, the host can even arrange for delivery to any part of china if buy in cartons. some local tourists will arrange 1 carton each to different locations for their family, relatives and friends.

quite hard life for these hosts lah but i only bought a small packet of a few hundred grams to support due to limited luggage capacity

guess your parents fell for their marketing hard sell then

🤣

My parents usually quite immune to all these (or more specifically my mum will stop my dad from buying hahaha).
They seldom buy back the tourist cliche souvenirs actually. 

Usually my parents only buy back something for the kids and a little foodstuff/chinese herbs type of stuff. Very hard to earn money from my mum 

[Windwaver]

20 hours ago, Calford said:

Do you mean Chinese cars are not good? I am hoping to buy a new MG6 (3rd Generation). 

[Datsun366]

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[Vinyl]

On 7/31/2020 at 8:30 AM, Playtime said:

It's quite easy. 

Just ask the locals there what they want. It's like a farmer saying he gives his tightly caged animals the best food... even better than his own pet dog.. 

 But if it's all good. Why need to have concentration camp type controls. 

 Even few years ago.. I was rather neutral.. since it's their "internal affairs", but now,  China is clearly trying to impose her political system on the outside world. Xis "China's dream" I guess. 

Re-education camps are different from concentration camps. Look at this video below and tell me, do you have better solutions to counter terrorism?

 

I'm not sure how China is trying to impose their political system outside China when they are the one getting attacked by Western media? You mean China is exporting their idea of communism is good? Or socialism is good? Trying to get governments to scrap elections?

[inlinesix]

6 minutes ago, Vinyl said:

Re-education camps are different from concentration camps. Look at this video below and tell me, do you have better solutions to counter terrorism?

I'm not sure how China is trying to impose their political system outside China when they are the one getting attacked by Western media? You mean China is exporting their idea of communism is good? Or socialism is good? Trying to get governments to scrap elections?

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3091833/chinese-social-media-singapore-elections-amuse-and-confuse

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One user expressed amazement that Singapore conducts elections, asking: “Isn’t there a saying that in predominantly Chinese societies it is not wise to engage in the backward practices of the West? Look, Taiwan elections are in a mess.”

 

[Vinyl]

11 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

 https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3091833/chinese-social-media-singapore-elections-amuse-and-confuse

  

Since you posted a link and say nothing, I'll have to guess what you are trying to tell me.

 

Many countries worldwide actually look at Singapore as "Lee's Dynasty". Are you surprised to read that article? The basis of their views are due to seeing father-son running a country, with family members holding important jobs in the country. Whether they are right or wrong, it's their views.

Having views on Singapore elections from netizens on Chinese social media or any other social media do not translate to trying to influence the elections.

I have views on US elections as well, like many others. Does that mean we are trying to export ideology to influence the political system of US?

Edited August 3, 2020 by Vinyl

[inlinesix]

7 minutes ago, Vinyl said:

Since you posted a link and say nothing, I'll have to guess what you are trying to tell me.

 

Many countries worldwide actually look at Singapore as "Lee's Dynasty". Are you surprised to read that article? The basis of their views are due to seeing father-son running a country, with family members holding important jobs in the country. Whether they are right or wrong, it's their views.

Having views on Singapore elections from netizens on Chinese social media or any other social media do not translate to trying to influence the elections.

I have views on US elections as well, like many others. Does that mean we are trying to export ideology to influence the political system of US?

I thought i told you this

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One user expressed amazement that Singapore conducts elections, asking: “Isn’t there a saying that in predominantly Chinese societies it is not wise to engage in the backward practices of the West? Look, Taiwan elections are in a mess.”

 

[Vinyl]

11 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

I thought i told you this

  

You quoted someone else. It's not your words. What are you trying to say?

[inlinesix]

To some ppl, this is a bias report

 

[Playtime]

 

Nothing new.. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-53650246

[Kb27]

China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

 

 

Merdan Ghappar was used to posing for the camera.

As a model for the massive Chinese online retailer Taobao, the 31-year-old was well paid to flaunt his good looks in slick promotional videos for clothing brands.

But one video of Mr Ghappar is different. Instead of a glitzy studio or fashionable city street, the backdrop is a bare room with grubby walls and steel mesh on the window. And in place of the posing, Mr Ghappar sits silently with an anxious expression on his face.

Holding the camera with his right hand, he reveals his dirty clothes, his swollen ankles, and a set of handcuffs fixing his left wrist to the metal frame of the bed - the only piece of furniture in the room.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53650246

[Victor68]

Media is a very powerful source of brainwashing machine. That is why all over the world, which ever government wants to take control, media is one of the first to attack. For me, good to read, listen, watch, but do your own analysis with some common sense. Vietnam fought one of the longest and bloodiest war in Asia history to repel the communist. Who are the victims of the war? Today, are they worst off than when they were divided or better? What did the world news tell people if the south is overrun by the north?

 https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2017/02/10/please-stop-watching-john-oliver