Only fully vaccinated allowed......

[1fast1]

4 hours ago, Volvobrick said:

We should start isolating those not seriously ill covid patients at their own home like what the ang moh have been doing and leave the hospital beds for those who really need them. 

Perhaps we are treating covid patients so nicely many bo chap and thu not afraid of getting infected, since govt pays for everything. For those on QO too. Why hotel? Quarantine at home or converted warehouse would deter more people to stay home and not pa pa chaow. 

They've already been isolating mild cases without risk factors for serious illness in CCFs (Community Care Facilities). 

With regard to the point about the QOs, they generally put them in GQFs (Government Quarantine Facilities) except in exceptional circumstances (everyone at home got a QO too or the person on QO needs a family caregiver). The thing is that, with Delta strain, they probably won't change this stance given how ridiculously infectious it is.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Turboflat4

[Stary]

2 hours ago, Chongster said:

if i m running a F&B and my biz cannot start because Govt says vaccination numbers not high enough, then i will also try and do my small part to bring up the number what.  F&B most affected by lockdown and F&B do what it can to bring up vaxx number to move to new normal is something i find heartwarming

ahh...now I see the business angle. Such strategy could backfire in the long run, but I guess they wanna take care of the short term goals first.

 

[Mustank]

1 hour ago, Starry said:

Exactly. All should still vax if they can, but it doesn't mean vax pple will be "safe" if they avoid un-vax pple.

 

Think is the other way round leh

unvax Meet vax jit tao Peng san because vax are mostly carriers in the long run 

[Soya]

2 hours ago, Kopites said:

The restaurant discount. Does it apply to all or only singaporean only?

Since vax available to all sg residents whether local or not, I guess it'll be the same

 

[Voodooman]

3 hours ago, Chongster said:

if i m running a F&B and my biz cannot start because Govt says vaccination numbers not high enough, then i will also try and do my small part to bring up the number what.  F&B most affected by lockdown and F&B do what it can to bring up vaxx number to move to new normal is something i find heartwarming

Post HA, upon resumption of dine in... 

I am guessing restaurants get higher revenue from 5 fully vaccinated diners at a table than table of 2 (partially or not vaccinated).  With table arranged further apart, F&B business will need to maximize turnover of tables too. So this is going to be the new norms unless they erect some anti discrimination regulations, which I am sure they won't.

[Ender]

They call it a privilege. Will kenna scolding by SJW ot not?

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/vaxxers-privilege-best-perks-and-discounts-for-the-vaccinated

[Somewhat1975]

6 hours ago, Volvobrick said:

We should start isolating those not seriously ill covid patients at their own home like what the ang moh have been doing and leave the hospital beds for those who really need them. 

 

Don't ever think about it. Isolating at our small cramped home just means the whole family will be infected. ended up ham ka chan

[Stary]

1 hour ago, Mustank said:

Think is the other way round leh

unvax Meet vax jit tao Peng san because vax are mostly carriers in the long run 

Haha....yeah you got a point bro.

[Soya]

1 hour ago, Mustank said:

Think is the other way round leh

unvax Meet vax jit tao Peng san because vax are mostly carriers in the long run 

Yeah...unvax better not go out mix w all those irresponsible dangerous ppl who got vaxxed

Stay at home watch conspiracy theory beedeos on YouTube better...lol

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Soya

[Falc]

2 hours ago, Soya said:

Yeah...unvax better not go out mix w all those irresponsible dangerous ppl who got vaxxed

Stay at home watch conspiracy theory beedeos on YouTube better...lol

 

The vaccinated, i among them, can also contract and spread to others COVID with same potency! 

[Volvobrick]

4 hours ago, Somewhat1975 said:

Don't ever think about it. Isolating at our small cramped home just means the whole family will be infected. ended up ham ka chan

Maybe soon setting up tentage at Padang for the overflow..... 

[Nolicense]

6 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

Maybe soon setting up tentage at Padang for the overflow..... 

ya. run out of hotel can pitch tent at padang. put saf there make sure they dont go climb wall or meet lover..

[Kar_lover]

11 hours ago, Ash2017 said:

In my humble opinion it is wrong to punish those who decide not to take the vaccine.

Why?

1. Who aims to walk into the hospital but only to come out in a body bag or perhaps spend some staycation in ICU for months? [For some who choose to be vaccinated].

2. Even with vaccination, those the risk is reduced, but that does not guarantee you that you will not have the severe form of infection.

3. Have all the politicians and their immediate family members including top civil servants had their vaccination? When you are rich and / or powerful, punishment means nothing.

4. Most who are not vaccinated would be very cautious taking great effort to prevent being ill. There are spike of infection among the vaccinated in several countries because they had a false sense of security thinking they are immune to the infection and let their guard down. Which group of individuals do we want in our community? Bearing in mind that a person having completed vaccination can still be a super spreader.

5. Confusing vaccination program. WHO approved Sinovac but in SG it is not included in the National Vaccination Program. Worse you have to pay for it and there is NO cover for adverse reactions. Yet if you have adverse reaction to the National Vaccination Program vaccines you would be offered Sinovac. A grassroot individual (especially) the elderly would be very confused. I would go for the Sinovac because it seems if the National Vaccination Program vaccines failed you can rely on Sinovac.

6. If the National Vaccination Program is so much better than Sinovac, why the need for eventual booster shots?

7. We all don't emphasize the fact the current vaccines are experimental drugs and we are the human trials. We do not know the long term effects yet.

8. CDC, instruct their citizens to return to wearing mask even after vaccination. Confusing to say the least when earlier it was mask off.

9. Its not about freedom of choice or freedom of speech or being less nationalistic but it is rather about survival of the individual as he or she calculates if it is literally worth dying for to take the vaccine.

[what happens if scientists discovery that previously presumed were proven false, earlier mentioned that vaccine that does not leave the muscle at the injection site but this was proven wrong, so what is there to guarantee that there would not be any long term side effects, by then it is too late, even the scientist who discovered mRNA is worried about the current vaccine then who are we to take it so likely, this vaccine or the likes may just the thing that wiped out our human race [may sound dramatic but it can't get any more real]]

 

I rather hope incentives given to those vaccinated rather than punish those who do not want to have the vaccine. This would be a great start.

 

1. I don't know what is the point you are trying to make here

2. Yes, no guarantee but at least risk is reduced.  Better than nothing. U mean all those people queue up, pay money buy TOTO is guaranteed meh??

3. Ridiculous comment.

4. I am vaccinated and i STILL don't "anyhow" go out. Being complacent is a choice, not a side effect of being vaccinated. And are u saying we should NOT be vaccinated so we are more conscious? Then i guess we should also not work so hard that we all don't get better salary and therefore spend our money more wisely? Throwing hard earned money at KTVs is a choice. Not all rich people will do that. Just the few morons.

5. WHO approve doesn't mean SG must approve. From data obtained, Sinovac is less effective hence it is not used in the national programme but still available as a choice if you want to get it on your own (i guess u can call this freedom of choice). In any case this nonsense about being confused is not a valid argument against vaccination as a whole. If not sure/confused, just go for the national programme. 

6. Just because P&M need future booster shots doesn't mean that Sinovac is better. Sinovac is already less effective NOW to begin with.

7. Yes but we know the short term effect of NOT getting vaccinated. If everyone like that there may be no long term to speak off. And if nobody is being vacc'ed now, then how to know what is the long term effect? How long is your long term? 5 years? 10 years? U want to continue having COVID for so long? 

8. That is CDC own issue. It's another country. What has that got to do with us in SINGAPORE getting vaccinated? Nobody said those full vacc'ed no need to wear mask here. UK already lifted all their restrictions despite tens of thousands of new cases daily. That's their choice. Doesn't mean we will follow.

9. What kind of probability are we talking about? Everyday u step out of ur house u can die. U can die even just remaining in your house. What do you use to "calculate" whether you will die from vaccination? Can u calculate if u will get infected and die anyway? Nobody FORCE u to be vacc'ed but if you don't want to and therefore becomes a higher risk to yourself and the community, then of course u cannot expect the same "privileges" as those who are not. Don't come and kpkb say what punishment/discrimination. U are just being entitled and selfish.

 

[Kopites]

43 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

PM was vaccinated on National TV right? You think it is not true? 

It is not what you say, it is the action that matters. 

It is people like you finding all excuses not getting the vaccine and waiting for everyone to take risk. 

With selfish people like you we will never move out of pandemic. 

I propose all those can get vaccinated, but refuse to, put into a jail until they take the vaccine. 

 

"Propose to put them in jail"?

Tell that to the family member whom mother passed away the day after 1st dose. 

Posted by FW75 in the other thread.

[Kopites]

I challenge the government to make it "mandatory" by law all must get the vaccination!

They won't dare to do so.

Why?

[Kopites]

50 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

PM was vaccinated on National TV right? You think it is not true? 

It is not what you say, it is the action that matters. 

It is people like you finding all excuses not getting the vaccine and waiting for everyone to take risk. 

With selfish people like you we will never move out of pandemic. 

I propose all those can get vaccinated, but refuse to, put into a jail until they take the vaccine. 

 

 

[Watwheels]

5 minutes ago, Kopites said:

"Propose to put them in jail"?

Tell that to the family member whom mother passed away the day after 1st dose. 

Posted by FW75 in the other thread.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh

The coroner has established the cause of death as ischaemic heart disease," said the hospital.

 

I thought she died of a heart condition? 

[Kopites]

2 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh

The coroner has established the cause of death as ischaemic heart disease," said the hospital.

 

I thought she died of a heart condition? 

Yes. Got to trust and respect the professional. Hope the family can find closure.

Goodness sake I know most here adhere to government calling to have the nation vaccinated. Me too like many here (waiting for 2md dose), but the least we should have more empathy toward that can or can't or not yet gotten the vaccination. We aren't in their shoes to make judgment when will be the right times. Are we going to take responsibility of any mishap happen to them? Post Rip, Take Care such messages in social media won't help at all.

Show more concern, patient and empthay toward them. Dont discriminate against them. The discounted meal won't sway them.

Education and patient persuasive will do so.