The Electric Vehicle Charging Problem

[ElectricYouth]

2 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Those 3 lots will be likely those slow chargers.

The ones in jurong mscp are 7kw. 
To me, 3 is way too few. Should at least start with 10 with visible intention (wiring etc)  to expand to 20 or more. 
Else hard to give the average consumer the confidence to take the leap. 
Charging doesn’t have to be that fast cause most cars spend the night not going anywhere. 
But there should be many charging points. 


 

[Atonchia]

20 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Those 3 lots will be likely those slow chargers.

Need to make sure they are at top level furthest corner lots. 

I don't see the point of many current hybrid/EV green lots at location closest to entrance. 

Making ICE cars travel further doesn't help on cutting carbon footprint.

[inlinesix]

29 minutes ago, ElectricYouth said:

The ones in jurong mscp are 7kw. 
To me, 3 is way too few. Should at least start with 10 with visible intention (wiring etc)  to expand to 20 or more. 
Else hard to give the average consumer the confidence to take the leap. 
Charging doesn’t have to be that fast cause most cars spend the night not going anywhere. 
But there should be many charging points. 

The end games has always been car-lite.

The mess don’t have to adopt it now. It will be in next 10 or 20 years.

These chargers are complimented by DC Fast chargers.

 

[inlinesix]

19 minutes ago, Atonchia said:

Need to make sure they are at top level furthest corner lots. 

I don't see the point of many current hybrid/EV green lots at location closest to entrance. 

Making ICE cars travel further doesn't help on cutting carbon footprint.

So far, most charger I seen is at the lowest level.

[Rm2s]

16 hours ago, Melody288 said:

Was informed by E Auto that Atto3 is under Cat B COE.  Will be quite exp, like the MG5. 

That's bad news! Do you know if they will be bringing in the entry level Dolphins?

[Soundphile]

was at Star Vista last Sat and saw a Tesla waiting for the supercharger. all charging lots were taken. I wonder how long will the wait be.. 

in my opinion, the EV charging network is still inadequate. 

For supercharger, it is not necessary (and inefficient) to charge to full. but how many drivers will shift their cars at 80% charge? it would be disruptive and not to mention, there may be difficulty looking for a lot thereafter if the carpark is full. I think it takes a major shift in the mindset to adopt EV for the general public, unless there is personal charging at home. 

[N00b]

i guees with the current lack of charging facilities around, owners would want to charge their cars to the max, so as to reduce the times they have to visit the chargers, esp for the tesla superchargers, where it is free charging for now. those tesla owners prob specially made a trip there to charger their cars, so why not make full use of it.

it would need lots of education/fines to make people be responsible and shift away their cars to free up the charger for others to use once their cars are done charging.

[Actan72]

one question is, battery condition will deteriorate over time. still worth to drive EV by that time or change new batt ?

probably cost a bomb to change new batt..

[N00b]

49 minutes ago, Actan72 said:

one question is, battery condition will deteriorate over time. still worth to drive EV by that time or change new batt ?

probably cost a bomb to change new batt..

think all these wear and tear costs can only be seen after a few more years, and also maybe by that time EVs will become mass market, and the cost of replacement will go down

[Actan72]

40 minutes ago, N00b said:

think all these wear and tear costs can only be seen after a few more years, and also maybe by that time EVs will become mass market, and the cost of replacement will go down

correct, either change another car or change batt lol....

mostly sg pple will change car... haha...

[inlinesix]

3 hours ago, Actan72 said:

one question is, battery condition will deteriorate over time. still worth to drive EV by that time or change new batt ?

probably cost a bomb to change new batt..

At least 200k miles.

In addition, you might not notice deterioration of battery.

[Jtb]

@Soundphile 

change to EV only every lot has a charger in the near future

[Mkl22]

7 hours ago, Soundphile said:

was at Star Vista last Sat and saw a Tesla waiting for the supercharger. all charging lots were taken. I wonder how long will the wait be.. 

in my opinion, the EV charging network is still inadequate. 

For supercharger, it is not necessary (and inefficient) to charge to full. but how many drivers will shift their cars at 80% charge? it would be disruptive and not to mention, there may be difficulty looking for a lot thereafter if the carpark is full. I think it takes a major shift in the mindset to adopt EV for the general public, unless there is personal charging at home. 

Cause supercharging is now still free. Once price charging starts. I doubt many will bother to wait around

[Solar]

Are charging stations able to detect whether the car is fully charged? One way to deter hogging is to exponentially increase charges after the car is fully charged... until the car is removed.

This won't deter people that hog the space without connecting to the charger though. 

Edited March 22, 2022 by Solar

[D3badge]

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/russian-invasion-adding-cost-evs
 

batteries cost going up due to war?

[Volvobrick]

15 minutes ago, Solar said:

Are charging stations able to detect whether the car is fully charged? One way to deter hogging is to exponentially increase charges after the car is fully charged... until the car is removed.

This won't deter people that hog the space without connecting to the charger though. 

Of course - the charging current will be zero.  But maybe cars can be programmed to slow charge like handphone to chope the lot! I mean to preserve the battery life. 

[inlinesix]

20 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

Of course - the charging current will be zero.  But maybe cars can be programmed to slow charge like handphone to chope the lot! I mean to preserve the battery life. 

From 80% to 100%, it is trickle charge.

[Rm2s]

On 3/20/2022 at 11:46 AM, inlinesix said:

$1/mins for hogging charging station.

👍🏻

Just read that Tesla in Singapore will start charging for use of the super chargers and guess what, they will also start to impose "idle fee" if one did not move their cars after full charge.

So I look up what kind of charges they impose on idle fee and you had it spot on; in the US and Canada, if all of the charges are in use and the owner did not move their car within 5 mins after full charge, they will have to pay $1/min.

If 50% of total number of chargers were in use, the idle fee is $0.50/min

I hope all chargers will follow this model.

Edited March 23, 2022 by Rm2s