Military Talk Thread Part 2

[DOBIEMKZ]

US aircraft carriers are taking new routes into the South China Sea, Chinese think tank says.

https://www.businessinsider.com/aircraft-carriers-new-routes-south-china-sea-think-tank-says-2022-1?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sf-insider-mildef&utm_source=facebook.com

US Navy aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson in Danang, Vietnam, March 5, 2018. REUTERS/Nguyen Huy Kham

US carrier strike groups entered the South China Sea 10 times in 2021, compared with six times in 2020 and five in 2019.

Use of alternative routes between islands may be designed to evade PLA radars and indicates skill diversification for US sailors, defence experts say.

The US Navy's aircraft carrier strike groups have not only increased South China Sea transits since last year, but their routes and drill patterns are becoming more complicated and unpredictable, according to a recent study.

Defence experts said the changes could indicate new countermeasures devised by the strike groups to face any contingencies in the region, such as a potential attack on Taiwan by Beijing's People's Liberation Army, or over South China Sea territorial disputes.

Beijing sees self-ruled Taiwan as a renegade province awaiting reunification, by force if necessary. It is also one of the rival claimants to several small islands and reefs in the busy shipping lanes of the resource-rich South China Sea. The US demands freedom of navigation in the region.

The USS Carl Vinson CSG completed a five-day joint drill with the Essex Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) around the disputed Spratly Islands on Saturday, kicking off their 2022 naval schedule two weeks earlier than last year, according to the South China Sea Probing Initiative (SCSPI), a maritime strategic study unit affiliated to Peking University's Institute of Ocean Research.

USS Carl Vinson the South China Sea. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Third Class Jasen Morenogarcia/Released

"The US military have drastically reinforced their military deployment in the South China Sea since last year, in terms of training scales, sorties and scenarios," SCSPI director Hu Bo told state broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV) on Friday.

"USS [US ship carrier strike groups] entered the South China Sea 10 times last year, compared with six times in 2020, and five in 2019, with their training patterns becoming more complicated and unpredictable."

In the past, the US warships used to enter the region via the Bashi Channel between the Philippines and Taiwan, but their routes and operation time spans had become diversified since last year, he added.

Navigation records and satellite images show that the strike groups had tended to pass through narrow waterways between the Philippine archipelagos on their way to the region, including the Balabac Strait off Palawan province, a channel between Verde Island and Mindoro, and other points, the CCTV report said.

In the latest transit last Tuesday, the CSG led by the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier entered the region via the Balabac Strait to team up with the Essex ARG, a landing helicopter dock group, according to the US Navy.

Lu Li-shih, a former instructor at Taiwan's Naval Academy in Kaohsiung, said the US strike groups appeared to be trying to come up with new countermeasures to the PLA's anti-access strategies aimed at stopping foreign military interventions in waters off Taiwan and in the South China Sea.

A press conference in the hangar bay of US Navy aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson while anchored in Manila Bay, Philippines, November 30, 2010. US Navy/PO2 James Evans

"I believe the US Navy is trying to escape the over-the-horizon (OTH) radars systems on the three artificial islands of Mischief, Subi and Fiery Cross reefs, which has targeted US warships and aircraft [before]," Lu said, referring to Beijing's three artificial islands in the Spratlys.

"The US Navy can use the geographical features of the Philippines to approach the region and suddenly appear somewhere out of the PLA's expectations, because the OTH radars have limitations when it comes to monitoring approaching objects from a group of archipelagos."

The USS Carl Vinson strike group fleet includes destroyers, frigates, submarines and supply ships. The new approach of warships sailing between island groups would also require US sailors to boost their skills in traditional terrestrial navigation, Lu noted.

Collin Koh, a research fellow from the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, said the new movements and choices of route were in keeping with the dynamic force employment concept implemented by the US Navy.

"Instead of using only those traditional routes, the increased use of lesser-known, alternative routes would reduce predictability with respect to the direction of movement of US military assets," Koh said.

"This thereby increases operational and strategic flexibility in times of peace and contingencies. Such contingencies would include the Taiwan Strait scenario to be sure."

[Playtime]

this is for home defence.

or internal security department... :" I say go clean your room means go clean your room ok!!.. want to die is it!!"

his channel so many toys... wish can import 😞

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Playtime

[Beregond]

14 minutes ago, Playtime said:

this is for home defence.

or internal security department... :" I say go clean your room means go clean your room ok!!.. want to die is it!!"

his channel so many toys... wish can import 😞

 

nowsaday kids toy look damn expensive😅

[DOBIEMKZ]

Taiwan scrambles fighter planes as nine Chinese aircraft enter its air defence zone on the day Russia invades Ukraine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10547685/Taiwan-scrambles-fighter-planes-nine-Chinese-aircraft-enter-air-defence-zone.html?ito=social-facebook

Friday, Feb 25th 2022

Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, has complained of regular similar missions by the Chinese air force over the last two years 

The number of aircraft involved was well off the last large-scale incursion, 39 Chinese aircraft on January 23, and since then, such fly-bys have been sporadic with far fewer aircraft 

The ministry said the latest mission involved eight Chinese J-16 fighters and one Y-8 reconnaissance aircraft  

Taiwan's air force scrambled its fighter planes on Thursday to warn away nine Chinese aircraft that entered its air defence zone on the day Russian invaded Ukraine.  

Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, has complained of regular similar missions by the Chinese air force over the last two years, though the aircraft do not get close to Taiwan itself.

The number of aircraft involved was well off the last large-scale incursion - 39 Chinese aircraft on January 23 - and since then, such fly-bys have been sporadic with far fewer aircraft.

The ministry said the latest mission involved eight Chinese J-16 fighters and one Y-8 reconnaissance aircraft, which flew over an area to the northeast of the Taiwan-controlled Pratas Islands at the top end of the South China Sea.

Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, has complained of regular similar missions by the Chinese air force over the last two years, though the aircraft do not get close to Taiwan itself. Pictured: A J-16 fighter jet 

The ministry said the latest mission involved eight Chinese J-16 fighters and one Y-8 reconnaissance aircraft (pictured)

Taiwanese fighters were sent up to warn the Chinese aircraft and air defence missiles were deployed to 'monitor the activities', the ministry said, using standard wording for how Taiwan describes its response.

Taiwan has been warily watching the Ukraine crisis, nervous that China may try to take advantage to move on the island.

While Taipei has not reported any unusual movements by Chinese forces, the government has increased its alert level.

China has never renounced the use of force to bring Taiwan under its control, and routinely condemns U.S. arms sales or other shows of support from Washington.

Speaking in Beijing earlier on Thursday when asked about the new U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy, Chinese Defence Ministry spokesman Tan Kefei reiterated that Taiwan was a 'core issue' of China's and it would tolerate no foreign interference.

'We urge the U.S. side to recognise the high sensitivity of the Taiwan issue, stop interfering in China's internal affairs and stop playing with fire on the Taiwan issue,' Tan said.

In the 12-page Indo-Pacific strategy overview issued earlier this month, the Biden administration vowed to commit more diplomatic and security resources to the region.

On Taiwan, Washington would work with partners inside and outside the region to maintain peace and stability in the strait dividing the island from China, it said.

[Tkseah]

Perhaps China thinking about starting peacekeeping mission in Taiwan now since the world is preoccupied with Russia..

[DOBIEMKZ]

JF-17 Block 3 vs. J-10C: Comparing China's Two Advanced New Single Engine Fighters

 

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/jf-17-block-3-vs-j-10c-comparing-china-s-two-advanced-new-single-engine-fighters

February-20th-2022

lthough China has been a major producer of jet fighter aircraft since the 1960s, which were widely exported during the Cold War, the country only emerged as a top end producer in the field of combat aviation in the 2010s when the formally massive performance gap between it and industry leaders was largely bridged. This was perhaps best demonstrated by the J-20 fighter program, which in March 2017 produced the world's first active fifth generation fighter outside the United States. The J-20's capabilities demonstrated that China had in many respects reached a league above rivals in Russia and Europe as a peer competitor to the United States, much as the Soviet Union had been in the decade before its collapse, with advances in industry also reflected in the capabilities of China's other fighter programs such as the '4+ generation' J-16 and J-10C. Although China is one of just three countries to produce heavyweight fighters, alongside the United States and Russia, unlike Russia which has invested very little in fighters from other weight ranges China has produced two entirely distinct classes of single engine lightweight fighter jet. The J-10 and JF-17 first entered service in 2006 and 2008 respectively, with the former developed for the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force and the latter developed exclusively for export.

J-20 Leads J-10C and J-16 in Formation

Although the two fighters were initially somewhat mediocre, as China's military aviation industry and general economy advanced considerably in the 2010s both fighters saw new variants developed which revolutionised their performances. The latest iteration of the J-10, the J-10C, entered PLA service in the spring of 2018 with an estimated 150 operational by the end of 2020. It served as a complement to the heavier J-16 and J-20 fighters produced in parallel, with much lower maintenance needs and operational costs allowing it to be very widely deployed to replace older aircraft such as the J-7. Notable features include thrust vectoring engines, integration of an AESA radar, new avionics and electronic warfare systems, and perhaps most notably access to the PL-15 and PL-10 air to air missiles. A comparable set of improvements was subsequently applied to the JF-17 program similarly revolutionised the fighter's capabilities, with the new JF-17 Block 3 variant produced for export as a lighter complement to the J-10C and seeing its first flight in December 2019.

J-10 (right) and JF-17 Single Engine Fighters

While both the J-10 and the JF-17 are lightweight fighters, the latter could be categorised as a 'very light' fighter comparable to the American F-20 or Swedish Gripen while the former is comparable in weight to the American F-16 or Japanese F-2. The J-10, like the F-16, uses a single engine from a heavyweight twin engine fighter class - in the F-16's case the F110 engine from the F-15 and in the J-10's case the WS-10 from the J-11 and J-16 fighters. The ‘very light’ fighters by contrast borrow engines from twin engine medium weight rather than heavyweight fighters - the JF-17 using a heavily enhanced version of the Russian MiG-29's RD-33 engine while the Gripen uses the F104 engine of the MiG's American competitor the F-18. Thus while the J-10C is comparable in performance to the American F-21 - a heavily enhanced F-16 variant - the JF-17 Block 3 is comparable to the Swedish-American Gripen E with both developed under similar design philosophies and prioritising similar capabilities. 

J-10C Armed for Air to Air Combat and with Three External Fuel Tanks

The JF-17, by virtue of it being lighter and using a smaller engine than the J-10, is not only significantly cheaper to manufacture but is also much cheaper and easier to operate and maintain. A strong emphasis on lowering maintenance requirements and facilitating higher sortie and availability rates are one factor which makes the JF-17 comparable to the Gripen. The J-10 by contrast is significantly more costly both to operate and to manufacture, although still very inexpensive relative to medium or heavyweight jets like the J-16, but benefits from a much better flight performance. The J-10 can carry a heavier radar, and its powerful WS-10 engine provides it with an unrivalled degree of manoeuvrability and the world’s highest climb rate for a single engine fighter. The JF-17 Block 3, while overall less capable than the J-10C, can still pose a comparable threat in beyond visual range combat due to its similar avionics and its access to PL-15 and PL-10 standoff and short ranged air to air missiles. The PL-15 is widely considered the most capable missile of its kind and benefits from near unique AESA radar guidance and an estimated 200-300km range, while the PL-10 paired with advanced helmet mounted sights allows the fighters to engage targets quickly and at very extreme angles. Integration of the PL-10 helps compensate for the JF-17's less manoeuvrable airframe, removing the requirement for pointing the fighter at the target before firing

PL-10 (sides) and PL-15 Air to Air Missiles

For many clients with lower defence budgets or emphasising retention of larger fleet sizes the JF-17 Block 3 may well be considered the more cost effective of the two fighter classes due to its much lower operational costs, and as a result the aircraft is expected to see more foreign interest. With technologies close to two decades ahead of previous JF-17 variants, the aircraft will be much more attractive to foreign clients. The Pakistani Air Force has notably acquired both the JF-17 Block 3 and the J-10C in parallel, the former which will account for the vast majority of new acquisitions while the latter will form elite units and potentially eventually replace the country's older F-16 airframes which are close to 40 years old. The aircraft will together revolutionise Pakistan's ability to counter high performance Indian fighters, potentially ending the disadvantage in the air which the country has faced since the mid-1980s when the Indian Air Force acquired its first MiG-29s followed by its first much more capable Su-30 fighters a decade later. Although lacking the advanced flight performance of the MiG-29 and Su-30, the JF-17 Block 3 compensates with more advanced avionics, sensors and missiles with its deployment potentially forcing the Indian Air Force to modernise its Su-30s to retain an advantage. 

JF-17 Block 3 Initial Production Batch

The JF-17 Block 3 is expected to be much popular than older variants on export markets due to its sophistication and uniquely low cost for an aircraft with advanced next generation technologies, with Egypt, Iran and Myanmar considered among the leading potential clients. The J-10C and JF-17 Block 3 are expected to compete against one another for multiple contracts, while also competing against the Russian MiG-35 and MiG-29M which much like the JF-17 were developed primarily with export markets in mind. Alongside a lower costs and lower maintenance requirements, access to the PL-10 and PL-15 missiles are expected to be a major factor in favour of the Chinese jets with Russia having yet to integrate any comparable missiles on its own rival fighters. There remains a significant possibility that, much like Pakistan, other clients could consider acquiring both fighters to operate alongside one another in complementary roles. With China notably not offering its heavyweight fighters for export, the country's success in export of manned combat aircraft depends heavily on the performances of the JF-17 and J-10 on global markets with the new variants of both having a strong potential to gain foreign interest. Even if not exported further, however, there is sufficient demand from China and Pakistan alone to ensure that both programs are successful.

[Atonchia]

https://eurasiantimes.com/turkey-says-will-collaborate-with-pakistan-warplane/

Is this report real?

Looks like China scaling up to be contender to the 5th Gen warplanes pie.

[DOBIEMKZ]

2 hours ago, Atonchia said:

https://eurasiantimes.com/turkey-says-will-collaborate-with-pakistan-warplane/

Is this report real?

Looks like China scaling up to be contender to the 5th Gen warplanes pie.

Looks legit. I think China's contribution to that project will probably be behind the scene and itself tries to be low key so as not to attract scrutiny from adversaries.

[Atonchia]

27 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said:

Looks legit. I think China's contribution to that project will probably be behind the scene and itself tries to be low key so as not to attract scrutiny from adversaries.

The report said through Pakistan, so it's lower profile and transfer of technology. 

Maybe set up plant there. 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Atonchia

[Macrosszero]

While the world mocks Russia’s fiasco in Ukraine - the readiness of US forces aren’t far ahead 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/uss-connecticut-investigation/index.html

[mersaylee]

20 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

While the world mocks Russia’s fiasco in Ukraine - the readiness of US forces aren’t far ahead 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/uss-connecticut-investigation/index.html

Not too bad liao...just a problem with few operators...unlike their foe...command problem, hardware problem, logistic problem, morale problem...exacerbated by egoistic problem from the very top 😁

[inlinesix]

4 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

While the world mocks Russia’s fiasco in Ukraine - the readiness of US forces aren’t far ahead 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/uss-connecticut-investigation/index.html

This is part of the learning process towards combat readiness.

It is better to f up during peacetime operation

[Thaiyotakamli]

10 hours ago, inlinesix said:

This is part of the learning process towards combat readiness.

It is better to f up during peacetime operation

The missiles also f up

https://inf.news/en/military/3d2f36c118e8b31dbbb07863901bbc7a.html

[Macrosszero]

3 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

The missiles also f up

https://inf.news/en/military/3d2f36c118e8b31dbbb07863901bbc7a.html

LOL, what is this website, is the information reliable, especially when the same website posts news like this:

https://inf.news/en/military/bfae2f141111f28181cd8d1563a9227e.html

and after being FACT-checked:

https://www.ibtimes.sg/fact-check-us-general-eric-olson-captured-by-russian-forces-mariupol-surrenders-along-british-64675

Edited May 24, 2022 by Macrosszero

[inlinesix]

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[Picnic06-Biante15]

1 hour ago, inlinesix said:

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Congratulation ...

You can claim two kosong prata and teh alia from @kobayashiGT  in next MU he organise. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Picnic06-Biante15

[Thaiyotakamli]

7 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

LOL, what is this website, is the information reliable, especially when the same website posts news like this:

https://inf.news/en/military/bfae2f141111f28181cd8d1563a9227e.html

and after being FACT-checked:

https://www.ibtimes.sg/fact-check-us-general-eric-olson-captured-by-russian-forces-mariupol-surrenders-along-british-64675

I also dunno but i got to hear this news from taiwan tv news

 

then search google got this

 

i also surprised 

[DOBIEMKZ]

China military must be able to destroy Elon Musk’s Starlink satellites if they threaten national security: scientists

. Researchers call for development of anti-satellite capabilities including ability to track, monitor and disable each craft

. The Starlink platform with its thousands of satellites is believed to be indestructible

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3178939/china-military-needs-defence-against-potential-starlink-threat

Published: 12:00pm, 25 May, 2022

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to researchers in China. Photo: Shutterstock

Chinese military researchers say the country needs to be able to disable or destroy SpaceX’s Starlink satellites if they threaten national security.

According to a paper published last month, China needs to develop anti-satellite capabilities, including a surveillance system with unprecedented scale and sensitivity to track and monitor every Starlink satellite.

The study was led by Ren Yuanzhen, a researcher with the Beijing Institute of Tracking and Telecommunications under the PLA’s Strategic Support Force. Co-authors included several senior scientists in China’s defence industry.

Ren and his colleagues could not immediately be reached for comment and it is uncertain to what extent their view represents an official stance of the Chinese military or government.

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to researchers in China. 

“A combination of soft and hard kill methods should be adopted to make some Starlink satellites lose their functions and destroy the constellation’s operating system,” said the paper, published in domestic peer-reviewed journal Modern Defence Technology.

Starlink is the most ambitious satellite communication project ever, providing broadband internet services to commercial and military users around the globe.

SpaceX founder Elon Musk has enjoyed huge popularity in China as a role model for innovation. But criticism of Musk and his companies increased significantly after two Starlink satellites approached dangerously close to the Chinese space station last year.

Ren estimated that US military drones and stealth fighter jets could increase their data transmission speed by more than 100 times with a Starlink connection.

SpaceX has signed a contract with the US Defence Department to develop new technology based on the Starlink platform, including sensitive instruments able to detect and track hypersonic weapons travelling at five times the speed of sound, or even faster in the Earth’s atmosphere.

Starlink satellites are also equipped with ion thrusters that allow them to change orbits rapidly for an offensive move against high value targets in space, according to Ren’s team.


With more than 2,300 satellites – and counting – in orbit, Starlink is generally believed to be indestructible because the system can maintain proper functioning after losing some satellites.

Starlink satellites could threaten China’s national security in space and on the ground, according to the researchers. Photo: Beijing Institute of Tracking and Telecommunications.

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to Ren and his colleagues.

For instance, it would be possible for satellites carrying military payloads to be launched amid a batch of Starlink’s commercial craft, they suggested.
The Chinese military therefore needed to upgrade its existing space surveillance systems to obtain super-sharp images of these small satellites for experts to identify unusual features, they said.

China claims it has already developed numerous ground-based laser imaging devices that can photograph orbiting satellites at a millimetre-resolution, but in addition to optical and radar imaging, the country also needs to be able to intercept signals from each Starlink satellite to detect any potential threat, according to Ren.

He said China had also showed its ability to destroy a satellite with a missile, but this method could produce a large amount of space debris, and the cost would be too high against a system consisting of many small, relatively low-cost satellites.

“The Starlink constellation constitutes a decentralised system. The confrontation is not about individual satellites, but the whole system. This requires some low-cost, high-efficiency measures,” said the researchers without elaborating on the methods of attack.

According to openly available information, China has been developing numerous alternative anti-satellite technologies, including microwaves that can jam communications or burn electronic components.

Chinese scientists have also developed lasers for blinding or damaging satellites, nano-sats that can be launched in huge numbers to cripple bigger satellites, and cyber weapons to hack into the satellite communication network.

SpaceX did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

A Beijing-based space scientist who asked not to be named because of the issue’s sensitivity, said the paper could be the first open call for an attack on Starlink from China.

It was not entirely a surprise, considering the growing tension between China and the United States, he said. “But the mainstream opinion, as far as I know, is that our countermeasures should be constructive. That means building our own internet satellite network.

China has launched a similar project known as Xing Wang – StarNet – to provide internet access on a global scale.

The StarNet system will have only a few hundred satellites, but will achieve high performance by connecting with other Chinese satellites to form a high-speed, powerful and resilient information infrastructure with cutting-edge technology such as laser communication and AI, according to Chinese space authorities.