Law Misconceptions in SG

[EasyGoing]

@Vratenza actually the guilt must be proven beyond any reasonable doubt, that means the judge must be totally convinced and satisfied that the the defendent is 100% guilty before he pass the verdict.

[flat6]

On 6/27/2022 at 9:08 PM, Benarsenal said:

It doesn't happen in isolation. A sentence is increased ONLY IF the prosecution appeals for it (which apparently happened quite regularly during a certain period of time, but that's another thing altogether). You can choose not to appeal your own sentence and still get it increased if the prosecution appeals.

There's no such thing as "You dare to appeal against, I increase your sentence to punish you". It simply doesn't work like that. 

 

On 6/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, flat6 said:

 

Wrong. @fitvip is correct.

Before YPH became CJ, defence lawyers routinely file appeal agst conviction and sentences becos "nothing to lose".

CJ Yong put an end to the practice which was choking the court calender.

Recent example of sentence enhancement without appeal by prosecution . Presided by the current CJ.

 

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/he-asked-shorter-jail-term-after-cheating-women-sex-chief-justice-doubles-his#:~:text=Instead%2C Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon,of S%2420%2C000 remains unchanged.

In delivering his judgement on Wednesday, Chief Justice Menon said that at the hearing of the appeal, he had specifically informed the parties involved in the case that it was possible he might enhance the sentence, even though prosecution had not argued for a higher sentence.

 

 

 

On 6/27/2022 at 11:05 PM, Fitvip said:

Thanks. At least you and I are aware of what have been happening. Sentences could be enhanced without the prosecutor appealing. 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/man-in-bribery-case-linked-to-keppel-fels-has-jail-term-more-than-doubled-after-his-appeal

The court added: "We also take this opportunity to remind accused persons who contemplate filing appeals against their sentences to bear in mind that the court will consider enhancing sentence(s) in cases of plainly unmeritorious appeals, even in the absence of a cross-appeal by the prosecution."

 

[Mustank]

 

[Watwheels]

If no new evidence or/and witness, appeal for what? Rich ah?

[shrjun]

3 hours ago, Watwheels said:

If no new evidence or/and witness, appeal for what? Rich ah?

Think need new evidence before appeal.

[Karoon]

I can only contribute football law.

If you kick a penalty in regulation time, the ball hit the post, rebound to you and you kick it into the net, the goal is not counted. 

[Victor68]

If law is equal to all, then you have lawyer to represent you or not should never be an issue because the same law applies right? Just because 1 lawyer know more mean you win, then why have judge? Shouldn't judge be more knowledge than lawyer? Why would a high court judge overight the lower court? He is more knowledge or the lower court judge is incompetent? All these I don't understand leh. 

[Maxus-MIFA9]

18 hours ago, Karoon said:

I can only contribute football law.

If you kick a penalty in regulation time, the ball hit the post, rebound to you and you kick it into the net, the goal is not counted. 

Only in penalties shootout, not allowed to kick the ball second time. 

Normal play, can. As you can see those defenders would run forward when the ball is kick to help the GK just in case the ball rebound into play.

[RogerNg_185295]

18 hours ago, Karoon said:

I can only contribute football law.

If you kick a penalty in regulation time, the ball hit the post, rebound to you and you kick it into the net, the goal is not counted. 

Then you might as well don't contribute 

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Victor68 said:

If law is equal to all, then you have lawyer to represent you or not should never be an issue because the same law applies right? Just because 1 lawyer know more mean you win, then why have judge? Shouldn't judge be more knowledge than lawyer? Why would a high court judge overight the lower court? He is more knowledge or the lower court judge is incompetent? All these I don't understand leh. 

Know <> Know how to apply.

What to talk and what not to talk is a knowledge.

There is a fine line btw fact and ownself sabo ownself.

Lastly, every judge has different pattern. Only experienced lawyer knows how to handle it.

Edited October 14, 2022 by inlinesix

[Karoon]

37 minutes ago, Picnic06-Biante15 said:

Only in penalties shootout, not allowed to kick the ball second time. 

Normal play, can. As you can see those defenders would run forward when the ball is kick to help the GK just in case the ball rebound into play.

Thats what i thought. But the original kicker can't touch the ball if no other player has touched it, even if it hits the post. Fifa law treats that as if the same penalty kicker took 2 consecutive touches.

[Maxus-MIFA9]

7 minutes ago, Karoon said:

Thats what i thought. But the original kicker can't touch the ball if no other player has touched it, even if it hits the post. Fifa law treats that as if the same penalty kicker took 2 consecutive touches.

I had seen the penalty taker kick the ball and it hit the upright only to bounce back into play, the taker rush forward and kick it again & scored. Referee allowed. 

Only Table Tennis Double players cannot touch the ball second time. 

When did FIFA change the Rules ? 

Edited October 14, 2022 by Picnic06-Biante15

[Victor68]

44 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Know <> Know how to apply.

What to talk and what not to talk is a knowledge.

There is a fine line btw fact and ownself sabo ownself.

Lastly, every judge has different pattern. Only experienced lawyer knows how to handle it.

So know how to talk and different patterns are law? Sad isn't it.

[Jellandross]

It's not how much you bribe but how you do it that counts 

 

 

[Karoon]

prostitution: legal

marketing prostitues: illegal 

[Fibo]

On 6/27/2022 at 9:23 AM, Inlinefour said:

imho a jury will be more fair before sentence

 

rather than judge decision

 

anyway most people think law is a tool for the rich 🙊🙉🙈 

 

cos most peasant can't afford the hefty fee

 

my 2ml worth of ron 92 

i concur, a jury is more fair than a judge's decision

[MrHomely]

@Benarsenal 

 

But as laymen not many people can afford the time to read up and even if read them up also might not understand?

[jcmm]

18 hours ago, Jellandross said:

It's not how much you bribe but how you do it that counts 

 

 

Chinese saying, "beat dog also must see the owner".

In my previous company, maybe small listed company but I still need to get my FC, CFO signatures before I can spend. Millions?? I will be grilled for months by different ppl.... 

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by jcmm