[Gitanic]

Nobody owes you a living, one need to work hard for the $ so technically boss has the rights to say: "If you are not happy, the door is always open."

 

we call that AN abuse of industrialisation

[Toapayohkid]

Workers gathering for Headcount check and morning briefing mah....

 

lol yah, another blurf--k whining stomper.

[Sosaria]

What does our school system really teach us?

1. Truth comes from the authority

2. Intelligence is the ability to remember and repeat

3. Accurate memory and repetition are rewarded

4. Non-compliance is punished

5. Conform: intellectually and socially

 

Not true lah... maybe for some, but not me, at least, though I went through the school system. Here's my version of what I picked up in school and at work:

1. Truth emerges from your conclusions after carefully reading and evaluating several independent sources of information.

2. Intelligence is the ability to predict accurately what is going to be tested (or what's going to happen next), and be prepared to adapt should there be anything unexpected.

3. Learn from your mistakes, find out why you are not progressing, and tackle these mistakes / weaknesses specifically, and your efforts will be rewarded.

4. If you don't wish to comply, then better have an escape route. At work, it's called "insubordination"

5. Nothing wrong with conforming, especially if you're well paid for it!

Edited December 10, 2012 by Sosaria

[Kangadrool]

10-year series.

[Toapayohkid]

Not true lah... maybe for some, but not me, at least, though I went through the school system. Here's my version of what I picked up in school and at work:

1. Truth emerges from your conclusions after carefully reading and evaluating several independent sources of information.

2. Intelligence is the ability to predict accurately what is going to be tested (or what's going to happen next), and be prepared to adapt should there be anything unexpected.

3. Learn from your mistakes, find out why you are not progressing, and tackle these mistakes / weaknesses specifically, and your efforts will be rewarded.

4. If you don't wish to comply, then better have an escape route. At work, it's called "insubordination"

5. Nothing wrong with conforming, especially if you're well paid for it!

 

lol yup. education is what students get out of it.

[Manmaster]

No need to argue over this. Just ask yourself this....which political party did the most false allegations & the most public apologies? I think we all know the answer. No wonder certain vital facts were being omitted in the author's article and the author had to do public apology for false allegation. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can do false allegations with no consequences.

 

Some people are just blind faith followers and will defend anyone or any party. No use arguing with these people. They'll be mocked at when their "IDOLS" make public apologies again & again. How I wish our old man is back in power! Just look at how he handled the pilot's union. The famous quote: HEADS WILL ROLL! I think our govt is getting too soft.

 

Let's move on, guys!

 

[Darryn]

I've heard it said that history is just the propaganda of the victor.

 

Perhaps you want to think about that a little Manmaster.

 

[CH_CO]

Not true lah... maybe for some, but not me, at least, though I went through the school system. Here's my version of what I picked up in school and at work:

1. Truth emerges from your conclusions after carefully reading and evaluating several independent sources of information.

2. Intelligence is the ability to predict accurately what is going to be tested (or what's going to happen next), and be prepared to adapt should there be anything unexpected.

3. Learn from your mistakes, find out why you are not progressing, and tackle these mistakes / weaknesses specifically, and your efforts will be rewarded.

4. If you don't wish to comply, then better have an escape route. At work, it's called "insubordination"

5. Nothing wrong with conforming, especially if you're well paid for it!

 

I wasn't particular bright in school neither a good student i only learnt

 

1. Truth is something that you think is the truth based what is laid in front of you , or unti proven otherwise , many of times the truth is always bend to one's favor

 

2. Intelligence is merely a measure of how much information you can store and process , it is useless if you cannot get what you think across

 

3. Learning from mistakes? I doubt mistakes in major exams wouldn't give you another chance without wasting another year of your time repeating , many of a time people lose their way academically , schools aren't really forgiving but a good teacher would make things so much better. To some teachers academic results aren't everything , at least it isn't to me. I done well in life without achieving extra-ordinary results.

 

4. School is just a place to impart knowledge and knowhow , not a place where you pin all hopes on achieving "success" via results. Or in fact like many kids nowadays given the availability of too much information , they merely "copy" and paste plenty of information without putting in deep thoughts. They might sound they know alot but end up , inside empty. The present school environments concentrates too much on academic results and fails to empower the kid with reasoning powers as it is not required to question what is being taught.

 

5. School to me is a place for you where it allows you to test your ideas , make silly mistakes and still get out in one piece , this is actually a good foundation for kids willing to be take more risk and experiment . I can't say much of the better school children which always conformed to the rules , you won't lose much in life by conforming but you probably won't achieve much as well. But i might be wrong , this is my personal gut and feel.

Edited December 10, 2012 by CH_CO

[Vextan]

Good points. I have learnt . Thanks.

[Vextan]

No need to argue over this. Just ask yourself this....which political party did the most false allegations & the most public apologies? I think we all know the answer. No wonder certain vital facts were being omitted in the author's article and the author had to do public apology for false allegation. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can do false allegations with no consequences.

 

Some people are just blind faith followers and will defend anyone or any party. No use arguing with these people. They'll be mocked at when their "IDOLS" make public apologies again & again. How I wish our old man is back in power! Just look at how he handled the pilot's union. The famous quote: HEADS WILL ROLL! I think our govt is getting too soft.

 

Let's move on, guys!

Couldn't agree more.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Vextan

[Ben5266]

I've heard it said that history is just the propaganda of the victor.

 

Perhaps you want to think about that a little Manmaster.

yeah... history is written by scholars... sponsored by the victor....

 

so the victor is always the holang. loser is the pailang (bad guy)

 

[Lambporkidney]

No need to argue over this. Just ask yourself this....which political party did the most false allegations & the most public apologies? I think we all know the answer. No wonder certain vital facts were being omitted in the author's article and the author had to do public apology for false allegation. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can do false allegations with no consequences.

 

Some people are just blind faith followers and will defend anyone or any party. No use arguing with these people. They'll be mocked at when their "IDOLS" make public apologies again & again. How I wish our old man is back in power! Just look at how he handled the pilot's union. The famous quote: HEADS WILL ROLL! I think our govt is getting too soft.

 

Let's move on, guys!

This applies to both sides, dude

[Lambporkidney]

I think South Koreans workers are more hard working and more innvative then singaoreans.

 

I am singaporean and the above is my personal opinon.

 

Just look at the number of South Korean MNCs who has successfully competed in the global economy.

 

 

you want to follow South Korea, make sure you have the ability to back it up.

As SMRT didn't prove the prc drivers were not hardworking, and it seems these drivers have exhausted available means against what they see as unfair treatments, the strike is not entirely uncalled for.

 

I am merely looking at how the s Koreans manage their economy so well despite the strikes, please stop putting words into others mouth in your last line. Thank you.

[Wt_know]

based on the published salary comparison chart, smrt bus driver basic salary is higher than sbs

and yet, sbs bus driver did not strike but smrt did ... why?

 

[Ender]

based on the published salary comparison chart, smrt bus driver basic salary is higher than sbs

and yet, sbs bus driver did not strike but smrt did ... why?

Maybe SBS can work OT and earn more in the end??

[Speeddemon]

CKP i buy you two beers for your patience.

 

Heck I'd buy him a barrel!! [laugh]

[CKP]

duh.... are you arguing for the other guy? that is exactly what CH_CO is saying... "location is not what made PSA succeed."

Malaysia has quite a few ports that share the same "location adv" as singapore but fails to take off.

I give up. Friendly advice. Read through your own posts before posting.

 

 

Please refer to post 466.

 

Nope, location is more important than whoever is more than in charge.

But if locations are more or less similar, then obviously other factors come into play.

I have not shifted position. I never did. Point to the line which I did.

 

You still haven't answered if PSA goes to Murmansk, will they get more traffic than in Singapore?

 

Anyway, you have so many unanswered points. Do take your time to think through the hanging questions.

 

 

I had mentioned in 466 that:

 

1. Location is more important than whoever is in charge.

 

2. If locations are more or less similar, then obviously other factors come into play.

 

 

 

3. If you think other factors are more important than location,

then maybe you could answer the question I posed twice in 441 and 466 to CHCO

(but he twice avoided answering directly):

 

"If MPA/PSA are in charge of Murmansk and MPA/PSA here in Singapore

were replaced with the port authorities in Murmansk,

 

Q: Who do you think (a) or (b) will get more international shipping traffic?

 

(a) MPA/PSA in Murmansk

 

or

 

(b) Murmansk port authorities in Singapore

 

Do you not know or wish to answer this question, like CHCO?

 

 

It's inexplicable that CHCO chose twice not to explicity answer the above question

when CHCO also claimed in 443 in a reply to my question that:

 

his reply to the above question

 

"The fact that with the north pole ice melting , our port locations are not longer the "international" route.

The fact that we have penang , melaka , bintan ,batam and the neighboring riau islands which has similar locations ,

how about you put those into retrospective? Don't shift goal post."

 

CHCO claimed Singapore is not longer on the international route;

thus, it seemed reasonable and logical that CHCO should have directly answered 'Murmansk' to my above question.

The answer 'Murmansk' (getting more traffic than Singapore) would be more consistent with his own claims in his post in 443.

 

 

 

4. Consider this, the two most important Malaysian ports now are Klang and Tanjung Pelepas.

 

The Port of Tanjung Pelepas was the largest port (by TEU) in 2003,

had at that time outstripped Klang in traffic within several years of operation.

 

This is despite both ports are under Malaysia's management,

and despite Klang having a much longer history than Tanjung Pelepas, by almost 100 years.

 

The answer is obvious: the location of Tanjung Pelepas is superior to Klang,

because of Tanjung Pelepas's very close proximity to the Singapore's Tuas 2nd link.

 

This accelerated growth hinges on the port's proximity to the busy sea lanes on which the Port of Singapore derived its growth and sustainability for nearly two centuries. Positioning itself as a choice alternative to Singapore's terminals, it highlights its proximity to the Tuas Second Link which leads to Singapore. Sustained growth after 2000 was also largely possible as Maersk Sealand, the world's largest container ship operator, took a 30% equity stake in the port's holding company, Seaport Terminal in a deal concluded on 17 August 2000, effectively shifting all of Maersk's operations to the new port from the Singaporean port by the end of that year.[3] Maersk was once the largest operator in Singapore, and the shift represented a 10% drop in business there.

 

Maersk could have shifted to Klang further up north earlier,

but it chose the much closer port of Tanjung Pelepas because it saw

the location of Tanjung Pelepas as a good substitute to Singapore.

 

Was the relative success of Port of Tanjung Pelepas within a short time compared to Klang,

due to PSA-like management operating "Port of Tanjung Pelepas", or due to the location of Tanjung Pelepas?

 

Location, location and location is the answer.

 

 

 

5. Singapore received more traffic than Klang despite both ports being under

the same British Colonial rule until the mid 1960s.

 

Different Management? No. It was the same: the British before the mid-1960s

 

Location, location and location is the answer.

 

 

 

 

6. PSA International Pte Ltd, formerly Port of Singapore Authority is one of the world's largest port operators.

"As of 2011... PSA participates in 29 port projects in 17 countries across Asia, Europe and the Americas."

 

Of the 29 ports PSA operates, PSA pte ltd's Singaporean operations see the largest traffic.

Why's that?

 

No, it's not because the PSA team in SG is more competent than the teams in other 28 ports.

 

Location, location and location is the answer.

 

 

 

7. Like in post 437, you tend to abit overly hasty in offering arguments

(trying to find fault with 'alleged discrepancies' between EIU and WEF findings),

 

I give up. Friendly advice. Read through your own posts before posting.

 

which have been later shown to be groundless and without merit.

 

Edited December 11, 2012 by CKP

[Porker]

Why are you wasting time debating over this?