Darthrevan Supercharged July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 A CEMENT-MIXER driver has been charged over the fatal crash in Tampines which claimed the lives of two brothers and cast the spotlight on heavy vehicles and road safety. Munir Mohd Naim, 57, is claiming trial to causing the deaths of Nigel Yap Yew Cheong, 13, and Donavan Yap Teck Siong, seven, by a negligent act at the traffic light cross-junction of Tampines Avenue 9 and Tampines Street 45 on Jan 28. Nigel was cycling and taking his brother - who was riding pillion - home after school when they were struck by the cement mixer at about 5.40pm. Munir Mohd allegedly failed to keep a proper lookout while making a left turn from Tampines Avenue 9 into Street 45 when the traffic light was showing "green" in his favour. Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...-crash-20130716 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 The case will be very interesting - it should be followed carefully. Just hope that it doesn't end up placing unreasonable expectations on drivers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toothiewabbit Supersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 Wah, claim trial, means he think he is not at fault at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Hypersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 When the turn is made, one cant expect to watch over his back again and again as his focus should be in the front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_prince Supersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 Wah, claim trial, means he think he is not at fault at all? he may be at fault. but not totally. light was in his favour after all. just hope they dont open a can of worms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 It's purely speculation on my part - but what I suspect is that the light had been green for "sometime" when he made the turn, and that the boys on the bike were not at the intersection when he started the turn / was waiting for the light to change. IF this is true, the case will rest on what sort of expectations are on him to see the cyclist coming from behind, on a footpath, as he is turning. It would also be interesting to note about what sorts of sightlines he had and if he could even have seen the boys at all from the drivers seat given the comparative positions, Naturally, as I wasn't there - this is pure speculation. As mentioned, I just really hope that due to its tragic nature, this doesn't end up putting unreasonable expectations onto drivers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb27 Supersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 On the roads, there are many cyclists riding on pedestrian crossings. If you're the unlucky one, you could be have run them down and get involved. Heavy vehicles with huge mass and momentum is hard to stop on a dime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Supercharged July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 from the report in papers, i see this incident as 50/50. The question is whether did the 2 boys practices safe crossing or just dash out onto the road, even though it's "green man" for them. The driver is also at fault for failing to watch out for pedestrains on the road. The question is whether was he able to see the boys? is there a blind spot from his driver's seat? was the windscreen covered with 1001 stickers and other obstructive objects that blocked his vision? The takeaway from this incident is we, as drivers, MUST always be careful at traffic lights. Be it red or green light, red or green man, we need to be very careful. Always slow down at traffic lights. I see alot of idiotic drivers, just zoom pass the traffic junctions, when its green light in his favour. Green light DOESN'T mean you can close 2 eyes and zoom pass..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toothiewabbit Supersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 he may be at fault. but not totally. light was in his favour after all. just hope they dont open a can of worms. Could be sort of a landmark case leh...can't wait to see how the courts would decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toothiewabbit Supersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 from the report in papers, i see this incident as 50/50. The question is whether did the 2 boys practices safe crossing or just dash out onto the road, even though it's "green man" for them. The driver is also at fault for failing to watch out for pedestrains on the road. The question is whether was he able to see the boys? is there a blind spot from his driver's seat? was the windscreen covered with 1001 stickers and other obstructive objects that blocked his vision? The takeaway from this incident is we, as drivers, MUST always be careful at traffic lights. Be it red or green light, red or green man, we need to be very careful. Always slow down at traffic lights. I see alot of idiotic drivers, just zoom pass the traffic junctions, when its green light in his favour. Green light DOESN'T mean you can close 2 eyes and zoom pass..... It's not just green light...see green light pick up speed somemore... Amber oso zoom past Just turned ref oso zoom past Just turned red for 3-4 secs oso zoom past Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid Hypersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 It's not just green light...see green light pick up speed somemore... Amber oso zoom past Just turned ref oso zoom past Just turned red for 3-4 secs oso zoom past Not always true. I have seen kids dashing across the road on bicycles even when cars are already turning. Drivers like us need super quick reflexes when dealing with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 I guess that the facts - such that they can be known, will come out during the trial. Once that happens, I guess we can make our own judgements Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiphiphoray 6th Gear July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 The driver might have a case. How often we see cyclist chionging across a pedestrian crossing then immediately make the 90 deg crossing also. And they dont even turn their head to maintain eye contact and ensure us driver sees them.......they just dont give a damn!!! Then continue onto the walkway ringing their bells to put off people. wtf!!!! They act as if they own both the road & walkway. I see this happening almost everyday!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslielai 1st Gear July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 The driver might have a case. How often we see cyclist chionging across a pedestrian crossing then immediately make the 90 deg crossing also. And they dont even turn their head to maintain eye contact and ensure us driver sees them.......they just dont give a damn!!! Then continue onto the walkway ringing their bells to put off people. wtf!!!! They act as if they own both the road & walkway. I see this happening almost everyday!!! You're right. I have no pity for these cyclists. If I should run over one someday due to his or her recklessness and if the law tries to prosecute me, I will claim trial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOldMan 1st Gear July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 IMO Singapore is definitely over congested with cars Same area, more cars, more people = more issues that's for sure I somehow agree with govn raising Coe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toothiewabbit Supersonic July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 Not always true. I have seen kids dashing across the road on bicycles even when cars are already turning. Drivers like us need super quick reflexes when dealing with them. I too hv my close shaves...quick reflexes works with moderate speed in order to avoid accidents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMob 6th Gear July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 those bicycles on the roads should be better controlled, seen a few jokers cycling on lornie road when the traffic is fast at around evening, they have no lights to indicate their presence and some of the trucks with scratchs on the windscreen may not be able to see clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sga54g 1st Gear July 16, 2013 Share July 16, 2013 from the report in papers, i see this incident as 50/50. The question is whether did the 2 boys practices safe crossing or just dash out onto the road, even though it's "green man" for them. The driver is also at fault for failing to watch out for pedestrains on the road. The question is whether was he able to see the boys? is there a blind spot from his driver's seat? was the windscreen covered with 1001 stickers and other obstructive objects that blocked his vision? The takeaway from this incident is we, as drivers, MUST always be careful at traffic lights. Be it red or green light, red or green man, we need to be very careful. Always slow down at traffic lights. I see alot of idiotic drivers, just zoom pass the traffic junctions, when its green light in his favour. Green light DOESN'T mean you can close 2 eyes and zoom pass..... I totally agree!!! ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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