Warning fellow drivers photo taking in progress

[Evillusion]

 

They are also taking pictures of heavy vehicle speeding.

lets hope so.....the number of goods and heavy vehicle speeding way above their speed limit using lane 2 on the expressways are just an accident waiting to happen.

[Jamiewabbit]

 

If that's the case, it could happen at any speed.

The speed limit was judiciously determined for the road and its traffic conditions based on studies and research for the safety of all road users including young children and the elderly.

 

If we were to go against informed decisions and laws to ensure our own safety made by relevant authorities and create our own definitions then I am afraid that's not in the best interest of everybody. So how do you quantify speeding that is not reckless? It's a travesty to our laws and safety for all road users when we start having our definition of speeding vs reckless speeding.

 

Can I go 100km/ hr outside a primary school and justify that I am not recklessly speeding? I am speeding but not recklessly so it's safe. I am sure many parents here won't be agreeing to your notion.

 

My defense would be I am not reckless when I speed so chances of an accident is lower as compared to a careless driver that is going within the speed limit in a school zone? An interesting oxymoron reckless speeding speeding kills and speeding doesn't.

 

I hope there are not may drivers who share the same vein as you in defending speeding vs reckless speeding.

Edited February 15, 2015 by Jamiewabbit

[inlinesix]

The speed limit was judiciously determined for the road and its traffic conditions based on studies and research for the safety of all road users including young children and the elderly.

 

If we were to go against informed decisions and laws to ensure our own safety made by relevant authorities and create our own definitions then I am afraid that's not in the best interest of everybody. So how do you quantify speeding that is not reckless? It's a travesty to our laws and safety for all road users when we start having our definition of speeding vs reckless speeding.

 

Can I go 100km/ hr outside a primary school and justify that I am not recklessly speeding? I am speeding but not recklessly so it's safe. I am sure many parents here won't be agreeing to your notion.

 

My defense would be I am not reckless when I speed so chances of an accident is lower as compared to a careless driver that is going within the speed limit in a school zone? An interesting oxymoron reckless speeding speeding kills and speeding doesn't.

 

I hope there are not may drivers who share the same vein as you in defending speeding vs reckless speeding.

 

The speed limit set by relevant authorities may be outdated in current times. Juz look at Expressway. Every tom, dick & harry can drive @ 80km/h. All 4 lanes is travelling at the same speed. Does it make sense?

 

Coming back to your question on driving @ 100km/h outside school. How do 1 brake in time w/o knocking into other road users?

 

My yardstick btw speeding vs reckless speeding is whether i could react in time in most adverse situation without causing an accident. I always do scenerio testing on my mind whenever i drive.

 

In short, i will drive exceptional slow in parking lot or housing estate or any area where other road users will heck care drivers.

[mixedccr]

 

The speed limit set by relevant authorities may be outdated in current times. Juz look at Expressway. Every tom, dick & harry can drive @ 80km/h. All 4 lanes is travelling at the same speed. Does it make sense?

 

Coming back to your question on driving @ 100km/h outside school. How do 1 brake in time w/o knocking into other road users?

 

My yardstick btw speeding vs reckless speeding is whether i could react in time in most adverse situation without causing an accident. I always do scenerio testing on my mind whenever i drive.

 

In short, i will drive exceptional slow in parking lot or housing estate or any area where other road users will heck care drivers.

I believe the general consensus of a rational, mature driver not under the influence of time pressure or anything else, in good weather/surface conditions, low traffic density, 2 or 3 lane dual carriageway, unpopulated area, open visibility, maintaining distance between vehicles on a sunday morning, that there is nothing threatening about going 10 to 30 k above the posted speed limit.

 

I see my forewarning of oncoming traffic having the same desired effect of slowing traffic speed down, rather then being caught unawares and being punitively punished for it as well.

[Rncw]

Yesterday also seen a TP Volvo hiding at the Chevons, just before Pioneer road north exit at AYE towards Tuas. seen a lot of big lorries rushing to keep to the left side resulting in a lot of guys slamming on their brakes..............

 

hope they be more open about it , if not it may cost more harm than good.

 

TP always hide there with cam one...saw many times liaoz

 

[ChickenMob]

 

TP always hide there with cam one...saw many times liaoz

 

 

lucky I always exit just before there, if not sure many times on candid camera liow.....

 

difficult to maintain 80km/hr at that stretch...think they beoing the lorries more than cars .

[Mercury1]

Seconded, speeding is not the issue its reckless speeding that is. Not to mention other acts like road hogging, tail gating and a bunch of dumb acts which annoy us to no end.

 

My yardstick btw speeding vs reckless speeding is whether i could react in time in most adverse situation without causing an accident. I always do scenerio testing on my mind whenever i drive.

 

In short, i will drive exceptional slow in parking lot or housing estate or any area where other road users will heck care drivers.

 

[Jamiewabbit]

Speeding here is defined as traveling above the legal speed limits defined by our authorities. These limits are derived through research and studies. Scientific approaches to deriving these limits have been conducted. These weren't made on a whimp.

 

When you perceive them as "outdated" how do you quantify that? Your own gut feel and judgement against the more informed and defined derivation of the laws?

 

Yes, I agree that all of us drivers practice judgment, reaction time and all that. No driver goes out wanting to meet with an accident albeit speeding or not. Even drivers who knock children and pedestrians down had not intention so. They were most probably also practicing scenario testing in their own way like your goodself, being alert and having good driving practices. My point is no driver is recklessly seeking for an accident. These habits are a requirement and responsibility for all drivers.

I would disagree that speeding above the legal limit is a good driving practice too if we do scenario testing.

 

Going by your thoughts, going 10-30 km, relating to maybe 60-80 km in a school zone is ok because you are alert and practice "scenario testing" and all. I am sorry I respectfully beg to differ. If I have children studying in that school, I wouldn't want drivers who speed there and assure me that they are very mindful of their surroundings.

 

When accidents occur, it's of course made up of a verity of reasons, not a singular reason. That I agree. But wound we make the roads a safer place if we don'tspeed. That's one of the risk factors reduced.

As opposed to each of us deriving our own definitions of acceptable speeding. Yours may be 10-30km above the limit. Another guy can reason "I am younger and more experienced so perhaps I can go slightly higher at 20-40km"

 

It's really is unthinkable if we start justifying speeding and having our own thresholds for speeding just because we perceive the law as outdated and using other fundamental driving habits as justification.

 

Above all, have a happy new year. May all friends including your goodself here stay safe.

 

 

 

 

The speed limit set by relevant authorities may be outdated in current times. Juz look at Expressway. Every tom, dick & harry can drive @ 80km/h. All 4 lanes is travelling at the same speed. Does it make sense?

 

Coming back to your question on driving @ 100km/h outside school. How do 1 brake in time w/o knocking into other road users?

 

My yardstick btw speeding vs reckless speeding is whether i could react in time in most adverse situation without causing an accident. I always do scenerio testing on my mind whenever i drive.

 

In short, i will drive exceptional slow in parking lot or housing estate or any area where other road users will heck care drivers.

[inlinesix]

Speeding here is defined as traveling above the legal speed limits defined by our authorities. These limits are derived through research and studies. Scientific approaches to deriving these limits have been conducted. These weren't made on a whimp.

 

When you perceive them as "outdated" how do you quantify that? Your own gut feel and judgement against the more informed and defined derivation of the laws?

 

Yes, I agree that all of us drivers practice judgment, reaction time and all that. No driver goes out wanting to meet with an accident albeit speeding or not. Even drivers who knock children and pedestrians down had not intention so. They were most probably also practicing scenario testing in their own way like your goodself, being alert and having good driving practices. My point is no driver is recklessly seeking for an accident. These habits are a requirement and responsibility for all drivers.

I would disagree that speeding above the legal limit is a good driving practice too if we do scenario testing.

 

Going by your thoughts, going 10-30 km, relating to maybe 60-80 km in a school zone is ok because you are alert and practice "scenario testing" and all. I am sorry I respectfully beg to differ. If I have children studying in that school, I wouldn't want drivers who speed there and assure me that they are very mindful of their surroundings.

 

When accidents occur, it's of course made up of a verity of reasons, not a singular reason. That I agree. But wound we make the roads a safer place if we don'tspeed. That's one of the risk factors reduced.

As opposed to each of us deriving our own definitions of acceptable speeding. Yours may be 10-30km above the limit. Another guy can reason "I am younger and more experienced so perhaps I can go slightly higher at 20-40km"

 

It's really is unthinkable if we start justifying speeding and having our own thresholds for speeding just because we perceive the law as outdated and using other fundamental driving habits as justification.

 

Above all, have a happy new year. May all friends including your goodself here stay safe.

 

 

 

Read my last sentence PROPERLY.

 

Don't put words in my mouth.

[Jamiewabbit]

Read my last sentence PROPERLY.

 

Don't put words in my mouth.

 

This sentence?

 

In short, i will drive exceptional slow in parking lot or housing estate or any area where other road users will heck care drivers.

 

Slow is a relative perception, not absolute, driving slow but speeding albiet not recklessly?

 

I unfortunately cannot agree and am strongly against speeding.

 

I disagree with several points that are raised collectively that are pro speeding.

 

That we perceived that the law is "outdated" and we start having our own definations and perimeters for us to justify speeding. When in actual fact, these fundamentals such as scenario testing, foresight and so on are unconditional fundamentals. And not for us to use to justify a dangerous behavior.

 

I feel that there is a dangerous mentality when we start ignoring the relavant speed limits and start making up our own versions of what is speeding vs reckless speeding. It does not make sense to me personally when I hear sweeping spurious statements such as. To hear motorists formulating what is acceptable to speed vs reckless speeding bring chills down my spine.

 

I don't think my views and perceptions will change your perceptions. And respectfully, I have no illusions about that. My purpose is to provide an alternative perception to the justification of speeding vs speeding recklessly.

 

I honestly wonder how will such an argument for speeding will hold up if one is caught speeding. Mitigating factors being I practice "scenario testing" although I am speeding your honor I can react in time. I sped because I perceive that the law is outdated, it does not make sense for all Tom dick and Harry to go at 80km/h at the same speed. So I can chose to speed judiciously?

 

These are quoted from you not putting things in your mouth.

[inlinesix]

This sentence?

 

In short, i will drive exceptional slow in parking lot or housing estate or any area where other road users will heck care drivers.

 

Slow is a relative perception, not absolute, driving slow but speeding albiet not recklessly?

 

I unfortunately cannot agree and am strongly against speeding.

 

I disagree with several points that are raised collectively that are pro speeding.

 

That we perceived that the law is "outdated" and we start having our own definations and perimeters for us to justify speeding. When in actual fact, these fundamentals such as scenario testing, foresight and so on are unconditional fundamentals. And not for us to use to justify a dangerous behavior.

 

I feel that there is a dangerous mentality when we start ignoring the relavant speed limits and start making up our own versions of what is speeding vs reckless speeding. It does not make sense to me personally when I hear sweeping spurious statements such as. To hear motorists formulating what is acceptable to speed vs reckless speeding bring chills down my spine.

 

I don't think my views and perceptions will change your perceptions. And respectfully, I have no illusions about that. My purpose is to provide an alternative perception to the justification of speeding vs speeding recklessly.

 

I honestly wonder how will such an argument for speeding will hold up if one is caught speeding. Mitigating factors being I practice "scenario testing" although I am speeding your honor I can react in time. I sped because I perceive that the law is outdated, it does not make sense for all Tom dick and Harry to go at 80km/h at the same speed. So I can chose to speed judiciously?

 

These are quoted from you not putting things in your mouth.

Sorry loh! I don't have herd mentality. I will speed up if necessary into gray zone.

 

If I got caught for speeding, I will complain rather than appeal.

 

Of course, the law is outdated. It is so Ez to drive till 80km/h. Most car will be able to do it. Does it help with traffic flow?

 

Traffic law & rule needs to be updated in tandem with technology.

 

Lastly, what's ur definition of slow in car park?

[mixedccr]

"Speeding" is relative. Relative to the posted speed limit which is a fixed variable but not to the time of travel, the condition of road and traffic and the many other variables at the point in time.

 

An accident "caused by speeding as the main contributing factor" to me is that the driver failed to take in account all the possible factors and was at a speed above which his/her driving skills could be used to successfully avoid the accident or anticipate a poor outcome. We all hear about the sensational high speed accidents or see them on our roads. But we do not hear of all the minor fender benders, parking lot hit and runs and other low speed incidents which surely occur many times more often the the "speeding" related ones.

 

To me, accidents occur due to lack of attention, flawed or incorrect assumption, sometimes driving beyond personal limit or just poor judgement.

 

I'm not afraid of the pair of headlights coming up real fast in my rear view mirror. I signal in advance and move out of the overtaking lane, to lane 2. But i keep a rally sharp eye out for that driver on the phone/eating a burger/sitting offcentre/yakking to his/her passanger/has his/her kid in the back leaning forward in between the 2 front seats/ straddling back and forth between 2 lanes.

[Petamore]

Current speed limits outdated? Just because the drivers feel very safe in their 8 air bags filled car?

 

Take some time to view the crash test conducted on cars. Any crash test from contis to japanese. All tests are done at 64km/hr. That's 4km/hr higher than most speed limits on singapore roads.

 

Volvo

 

Toyota

 

Imagine yourself as the dummy. Check your legs. Check your head.

 

Imagine the force at 60km/hr - hitting a kid, a pedestrian, a cyclist or a motorcyclist.

 

A car at 1 to 2 tonne is a machine that can run out of control when in the wrong hands. The cars are getting heavier, that means the heavier the impact.

 

There's always the skilled, the confident or the egoistic driver. Or the bully. The kayu. The kiasi. 101 types.

 

Ultimately, the law is there to protect the driver, passengers and the innocents by passers. If enforcements are not in place to ensure compliance, which has been the case for past many years, we see countless tragedies played out.

 

I welcome the move to clam down drivers who do not follow traffic rules.

[Limwsv]

@Petamore, Erm.. that's crash video of a car driven at constant 64 km/h without any braking done.

 

@Jamiewabbit, Erm.. Benjamin Sheares Bridge used to be rated 80 km/h. It's just being downgraded to 50 km/h. No changes in the road or it's design.

 

Just drive at the speed that general traffic is going and let faster vehicles pass. It between them and god why they need to be hurrying, not for us to judge.

[Petamore]

@Petamore, Erm.. that's crash video of a car driven at constant 64 km/h without any braking done.

 

@Jamiewabbit, Erm.. Benjamin Sheares Bridge used to be rated 80 km/h. It's just being downgraded to 50 km/h. No changes in the road or it's design.

 

Just drive at the speed that general traffic is going and let faster vehicles pass. It between them and god why they need to be hurrying, not for us to judge.

That's provided the drivers don't bring anyone along other than themselves. Most of the time, their 8 air bag filled cars keep them alive but not the innocent victims outside the car.

 

Every driver has a responsibility to keep the road safe for other users. Not only keep themselves safe.

 

There's a change to Benjamin shares bridge as now there's traffic lights at the end of it, to ensure vehicles stop in time.

 

Yes 64km/hr on stationery item and without any brakes but I hope my point is clear: Speeding = fast = reaction is slower as compared to surroundings = accident.

[inlinesix]

Current speed limits outdated? Just because the drivers feel very safe in their 8 air bags filled car?

 

Take some time to view the crash test conducted on cars. Any crash test from contis to japanese. All tests are done at 64km/hr. That's 4km/hr higher than most speed limits on singapore roads.

 

Volvo

 

Toyota

 

Imagine yourself as the dummy. Check your legs. Check your head.

 

Imagine the force at 60km/hr - hitting a kid, a pedestrian, a cyclist or a motorcyclist.

 

A car at 1 to 2 tonne is a machine that can run out of control when in the wrong hands. The cars are getting heavier, that means the heavier the impact.

 

There's always the skilled, the confident or the egoistic driver. Or the bully. The kayu. The kiasi. 101 types.

 

Ultimately, the law is there to protect the driver, passengers and the innocents by passers. If enforcements are not in place to ensure compliance, which has been the case for past many years, we see countless tragedies played out.

 

I welcome the move to clam down drivers who do not follow traffic rules.

Pls lah. If afraid to drive above 80km/h on expressway, might as well MRT.

 

If driver don't have the skill, drive 40km/h will still hit lamp post.

 

The enforcement should be on speedster & roadhogger.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Davidtch

[Vhtfhwlego]

That's provided the drivers don't bring anyone along other than themselves. Most of the time, their 8 air bag filled cars keep them alive but not the innocent victims outside the car.

 

Every driver has a responsibility to keep the road safe for other users. Not only keep themselves safe.

 

There's a change to Benjamin shares bridge as now there's traffic lights at the end of it, to ensure vehicles stop in time.

 

Yes 64km/hr on stationery item and without any brakes but I hope my point is clear: Speeding = fast = reaction is slower as compared to surroundings = accident.

Nicoll drive bridge, a road been widen yet speed limits of 50km/hr haven't change since 2000.

It use to be 2 lane dual carriageway and when 2 heavy vehicles are using the bridge at the same time, one have to stop to allow the other to pass thru.

Today, the bridge had been widen to 4 lanes dual carriage with big kerb in the centre.

2 heavy vehicles can safely drive side by side each other in the same direction which means 4 heavy vehicles can share the bridge at the same time.

 

The road design had changed, the conditions as well yet the speed limits haven't change.

When I set my curise control at 50km/hr, I'm being overtaken by everyone.

 

Point to prove,

1) Speed limits set too low are ignore by drivers.

2) LTA doesn't set the correct speed limts accordingly to 85% of the average drivers.

3) Speed limits set too low are dangerous (please read more of this or take up my challenge).

 

My challenge to any one whom is a internet hero.

1) Go buy a camera with GPS speed detector and install in your car.

2) Download all the roads travelled for a week of min 500km (in your daily routine).

3) Invite me to view the video footage.

 

If you can drive a speed lower than speed limits set by LTA/HDB during the course of the week/500km, you can claim the price of the camera from me (Max $300).

 

Speeding is define as travelling faster then speed limits (even by 1km as it is an offence by law).

 

Where you will fail the test.

1) Exiting expressways.

2) Carparks of 15km/hr.

 

If you want to up the challenge to $500 also can.

Provide me the footage with zero traffic offence which includes stopping at all stop lines.

[Mercury1]

Strange how people keep using the law to prove their point, and yet LTA permits the sale of performance cars (> 400 hp) which are more comfortable doing 150 - 200 kmh then keeping to a steady pace of 90 kmh. (Those who driven such cars will know what I mean)

 

If the government was so concerned about speeding why not ban the sales of such vehicles or limit all vehicles to 100 kmh? In fact deploying speed camera tactics in Australia would definitely change the scene, only a tourist would speed in Australia because locals know better than to mess with the hidden speed traps.

 

Also when we say speeding we are referring to a spirited 100 - 120 kmh on the expressways when permitted, we are not talking about blasting down at 150/200 kmh or doing burnouts in built up areas.

 

Of course there are those who most likely disagree and will retain their "right" to stay on Lane 1 while cruising at 80/90 kmh antagonizing maybe some 70% of the road users trying to overtake. I would welcome they take up @vhtfhwlego challenge, seems like an easy way to pick up an easy few hundred bucks.