Which car has the right of the way

[RadX]

esp those knn drivers, when turning cannot keep in own lane EVEN WHEN have lane markings.....

[Mason016]

esp those knn drivers, when turning cannot keep in own lane EVEN WHEN have lane markings.....

 

Agree with you. Some go half way into the next lane. They must still be driving with hyraulic steering so need time to slowly crank steering wheel!

[Furrynadz]

Left turn has precedence over u turn

[Watwheels]

 

I think some ppl become disorientated and say no u-turn.

 

There is a U-turn. That's why it's important to put the road name and prominent buildings in your sketch in order not to confuse anyone looking at it.

 

 

Such a wide road, 3 lane somemore. Unless Car B is trying to drop someone off to the mrt station or pick up someone there's no need to make such a wide u-turn. It is most likely be 50/50 coz both cars did not keep a proper lookout while doing their turns.

 

 

IMO the sketch is poorly done. The impact is before or after the pedestrian crossing? Details are very important when submitting to insurance company or to TP/LTA. If you haven't submit it yet I suggest you put down all the details that might help you.

 

One of the cars should be beating redlight as there's no way that both cars are able to turn at the same time from where they are.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Watwheels

[Jimmylim]

 

If the u turn was legal (which i have some doubt) then it is A fault. By the way, I don't think in this case that car A is not considered "filtering", he is joining a main road from small road, hence he does NOT have right of way.

 

yup, that's right. car A is joining from small road, no matter what, he got to give way to cars on main roads.

 

so many times i have to watch out for such cars joining into main roads while i'm making u turn coz many times most of them think their 'right' is bigger than mine as i'm making a u turn, don't know where they got the idea from. even got once kena pointed middle finger, as if i'm at fault. just nice my car video cam captured everything nicely and i just submitted it to the authority to deal with.

 

whatever the case, it is always better to play safe. this kind of "who got right of way" thing is causing many issues where some got stress up and insist their right of way and ended up in ugly situation. call me no balls or whatever, i rather not insist on my right of way and save my time confronting idiots.

[Credor]

If I read the map correctly,last time (before it change the traffic flow),u-turn is allowed. Now is u-turn is NOT allowed. Suggest TS go there take some photo, should have a sign indicated No u-turn.but driver Still do u-turn to drop people at the mrt station.😳

[Little_prince]

seems like illegal u turn.

 

should be bao win.

 

you better take more pictures.

 

anyway who at fault or not, BOLA will decide.

[Qpik]

whenever i turn left (right of way or not), i always ensure driver complete their u-turn before moving off cos i nvr how skillful is the other driver when it comes to executing a u-turn.

 

right of way or not, it doesn't pays to be insistence if an accident can be avoided. cos the real winners r workshop n insurance coys n sharks.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Qpik

[Mxer98]

If there is a U-turn sign, Car B has right of way.

 

If there is a signalised green left turn on red for Car A, most likely U-turn is illegal. Car B at fault.

 

If Car B just barely made the U-turn after the 3rd blink of green arrow on his side and Car A moves ahead seconds before his traffic lights turn green, Car A at fault (right-of-way Car B, major road) - (analogy: running over pedestrian who still crosses even when pedestrian signal is red, traffic light is green)

[1fast1]

Left turn has precedence over u turn

Must qualify that.

 

If both cars are already on a major road, then the precedence is straight > left > right/U-turn.

 

But if one car is turning left from a minor road to a major road, it has to give way to a U-turning car at a major road (going from one major road lane into the opposite major road lane).

 

Case in point: Belmont Road to Holland Road turn:

 

 

Note the blue sign below the STOP sign. In case it's not clear that says: "Watch out for U-turning vehicles". It's clear that they have the priority, and most drivers behave accordingly, always stopping to yield to U-turning traffic.

 

In the TS's example, I believe that they are both already on the same road, so the left turning vehicle has priority, even disregarding whether the U-turning vehicle made an illegal manoeuvre.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Turboflat4

[1fast1]

If there is a U-turn sign, Car B has right of way.

Untrue. U-turning vehicles are supposed to give way to traffic on the opposite lane of the major road (i.e. already travelling on major road). The "point of origin" seems to be more important. In this case, if the left-turning vehicle started on the major road, the U-turning vehicle has to yield to him. He cannot start the U-turn until the left-turning vehicle has safely cleared the junction.

 

This should be fairly basic knowledge.

[yo2020]

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I think some ppl become disorientated and say no u-turn.

 

There is a U-turn. That's why it's important to put the road name and prominent buildings in your sketch in order not to confuse anyone looking at it.

 

Such a wide road, 3 lane somemore. Unless Car B is trying to drop someone off to the mrt station or pick up someone there's no need to make such a wide u-turn. It is most likely be 50/50 coz both cars did not keep a proper lookout while doing their turns.

yes, many disorientated as they thot the u-turn is along AMK Ave 8.

yes, can u-turn along AMK Ave 3.

 

but i doubt when the green light is on Ave 3, there is also left turn green light for Ave 8 (to left turn to Ave3).

if it's true, then the u-turn car shld hv right of way.

if it's not true, it means the u-turn car is beating red light (assuming green is on Ave 8).

 

assuming the google map is up to date.

Edited April 24, 2015 by yo2020

[Gizmore]

I live around the area and way before LTA overhaul the traffic signalling, U-turn is allowed previously.

 

It is dangerous because vehicle will u-turn and impatient pedestrian will start to cross. It is worst during the morning peak hours because u-turning vehicle will stop just in front of the traffic crossing for their passenger to get off. What happens next is a queue of vehicle u-turning holding up the entire traffic that is turning right.

 

Now the traffic signalling is as such that traffic along amk ave 3 will go straight and right turn arrow will light up at the same time. This is the same for amk8 except there is a left turn on green arrow.

 

There is a mandatory NO U-TURN sign at this junction. Car B is 100% at fault.

 

[Vhtfhwlego]

 

yes, many disorientated as they thot the u-turn is along AMK Ave 8.

yes, can u-turn along AMK Ave 3.

 

but i doubt when the green light is on Ave 3, there is also left turn green light for Ave 8 (to left turn to Ave3).

if it's true, then the u-turn car shld hv right of way.

if it's not true, it means the u-turn car is beating red light (assuming green is on Ave 8).

 

assuming the google map is up to date.

Google map not up to date as I was there recently.

 

Late night pick up a wechat girl and she suppose to be at the busstop waiting.

I have to turn right to ave 8, drive all the way to the junction of ave 8 & 5 to make the U-Turn.

Back to ave 8 and left turn back into ave 3.

 

No happy ending for me as it end up it's a wechat scam job.

[1fast1]

yes, many disorientated as they thot the u-turn is along AMK Ave 8.

yes, can u-turn along AMK Ave 3.

 

but i doubt when the green light is on Ave 3, there is also left turn green light for Ave 8 (to left turn to Ave3).

if it's true, then the u-turn car shld hv right of way.

if it's not true, it means the u-turn car is beating red light (assuming green is on Ave 8).

 

assuming the google map is up to date.

The original post said the left turning car went on "solid green". I don't know what that means in this context, but I don't think it means a left green arrow. I think it means a solid green light. The left turning vehicle is free to turn left as long as there are no pedestrians on the crossing on the minor road he's turning into.

 

And while the U-turning vehicle has the right to U-turn into the other lane, he can only do so if the major road traffic on the other lane is completely clear. In this case, the left turning vehicle is major road traffic (since he started on the left lane). The fact that the U-turner hit him means he didn't wait for adequate clearance. U-turner in the wrong.

[efssc]

...The fact that the U-turner hit him means he didn't wait for adequate clearance. U-turner in the wrong.

 

Yup, this makes sense...

 

I don't know if U-Turn is allowed at that junction, but if the situation is as the (hand-drawn) picture depicts; the U-turning vehicle actually hit the left-turning vehicle from the side, wouldn't it means the U-turner was actually the one who bang the other party? Also in order for the U-turner to bang the other party, the other party must already be there for him to bang.

 

One is already there and the other bangs into him, quite obvious isn't it?

Edited April 24, 2015 by efssc

[Kezg1]

The key here I think is whether Car B did an illegal U-turn. If it was an illegal U-turn, then the fault clearly lies with Car B. Illegal u-turn can mean U-turning where not allowed (absence of u-turn sign/ clear "no u-turn sign") or ignoring the lights.

 

However, if the u-turn is legit. Car B is ahead of Car A on the main road. Car A should give way to Car B. Morever, Car B is coming from the right hand direction of Car A (Basic theory, right of way).

 

But this one gets tricky because of the full green signal given to Car A. Seems like something is missing here.

 

 

...yup i do agree with you ...as car A is filtering to the main road, so have to give way to car B...but if it is a illegal U turn, then car B is at fault....

[Ake109]

In the first place, disregarding the actual lights and signs, for a u-turning car to hit the side of another car (as per the positions on your drawing), it does show that the u-turning car is not watching the blardy road.