Auditor-General’s Report FY 2015/16: Audit observations

[RadX]

Just don't cum on me......

 

but all these are new lapse found in the last FY right? if they are old lapses being revisited, they should have ample time (>1yr) to correct them before the last review issnt it?

 

 

well, that's how they work.  Really ownself check ownself

[Mustank]

well, that's how they work. Really ownself check ownself

50 man years

[Still2016]

Cannibal Restaurant

 

A cannibal was walking through the jungle and came upon a restaurant operated by a fellow cannibal.

Feeling somewhat hungry, he sat down and looked over the menu....
 
Toasted Tourist:                                        $5.00

Broiled Missionary:                                   $10.00

Fried  Explorer:                                         $15.00

Baked/Grilled Politician:                           $1,000.00

 

The cannibal called the waiter over and asked, "Why such a high price for the politicians?"

 

The cook replied, "Have you ever tried to clean one?

They're so full of shit, it takes all morning."

[Maxus-MIFA9]

50 man years

 

Will they do a 'spring' cleaning to the bin centre yearly or once every 50 yrs......

[Mustank]

Will they do a 'spring' cleaning to the bin centre yearly or once every 50 yrs......

what dustbin?

[Yewheng]

The audit is carried out every year.

 

Every year, we see similar type of findings.

 

This is finding for last year:

http://www.ago.gov.sg/docs/default-source/report/e774db1b-584a-4710-9cc0-8852ec114080.pdf

If every year similar findings means the root cause of the problem is not found and solved. They only tackle the surface issue. So once lapsed is found they solve these lapse without finding out the real cause of the lapses.

 

Is it because the process had become too complicated that even the high up management cannot fully comprehend? Is it because they had too many things to handle that causes some that is not that time critical or important and neglected it which end up lapses? Is it because time is not enough and they are being rushed that causes mistake and lapses? Is it because there are not enough PC terminal for users to use and end up unable to fulfill the task which end up lapses?

 

There are so many is it because and they really need to find out the root cause of the problem and tackle it. They cannot just tackle on the surface. If tackle on the surface, next year AGO findings will still be similar. Then it defeats the purpose of the AGO finding as end of the day it's still the same.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Yewheng

[Yewheng]

The audit is carried out every year.

 

Every year, we see similar type of findings.

 

This is finding for last year:

http://www.ago.gov.sg/docs/default-source/report/e774db1b-584a-4710-9cc0-8852ec114080.pdf

Just give one example.

 

Financial year 2014/15 AGO audit found lapses in People Association that they did not obtain prior approvals or obtain approval from the wrong authorities for awards of contract and procurement. PA ratified it and solve surface problem. Did any of these higher up take a look at the report and ask why ?? 

 

Why I say solve surface problem is because look at AGO finding in year 2016, there are 2 similar cases that is flag out that involved Mindef and SPF for obtain approval from the wrong authorities. For Mindef is the investment of the REIT, for SPF is the increase of allowance for VSC. So its the same problem being dig out but involved other departments/ministries right?

 

So hopefully this time round instead of just solving the surface problem, we actually hope that they could go more in depth and ask why? Why it happened? and then find out the root cause of problem and tackle it. That would be a more effective way of doing things.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Yewheng

[Angcheek]

Wrong! --- Auspicious number 880

 

 

AGO also found that NAC had paid a consultancy fee of S$410,000 for the construction of a bin centre costing S$470,000. "There was inadequate assessment on the reasonableness of the exceptionally high consultancy fee, at 87.2 per cent of the cost of construction," it said. 

 

hahaha   ....... I think our Elite really think we are stupid or blind

 

 

[Benarsenal]

hmmm.... if every year, then doesn't it make the lapses every more serious?

 

I mean if it was oversight and no one come to check and correct them for years, I can totally sympathize.

 

But if it is an annual check and yet they can still come up with all the funny shennanigans.... that says alot about the inherent system faults?

 

That's why I say, every year AGO report, no matter what the cock up, eventually still sweep under the carpet and forget.

 

Typical reaction from the relevant ministries/departments will always be: "Aiyah, sorry sorry. Sorry for the lapse. We will change and do better."

 

Do you think they actually do better? There is no punishment, no consequences, nobody's head will roll. What do you think?

Edited July 29, 2016 by Benarsenal

[RH1667]

That's why I say, every year AGO report, no matter what the cock up, eventually still sweep under the carpet and forget.

 

Typical reaction from the relevant ministries/departments will always be: "Aiyah, sorry sorry. Sorry for the lapse. We will change and do better."

 

Do you think they actually do better? There is no punishment, no consequences, nobody's head will roll. What do you think?

It's a honest mistake.

No blame culture.

Let's move on.

[Yewheng]

That's why I say, every year AGO report, no matter what the cock up, eventually still sweep under the carpet and forget.

 

Typical reaction from the relevant ministries/departments will always be: "Aiyah, sorry sorry. Sorry for the lapse. We will change and do better."

 

Do you think they actually do better? There is no punishment, no consequences, nobody's head will roll. What do you think?

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/07/so-how-does-a-880k-bin-centre-look-like/

 

Apparently if this case is just sweeping under carpet then minister should also stop pressuring wp on atpc. To me this bin centre consulting fee that seems to charge overly high and reasons why were not cited in the approval paper for the draw down of funds. It is only after AGO flag out then they provide reasons. This is a serious lapsed.

 

When things happened kanna caught then provide reasons to defend. By then this things already happened. They can't do anything to reverse it. Similar to wp case, if wp would to have this lapsed, I am sure many ministers will be quick to pin point that and keep pressure wp said they have not done their job well and said that's tax payers money and etc.. So now let's see what mccy had to say now.

 

If ministers don't say anything about the bin centre case then it is clear cut they are really being bias and not being fair. They need to be fair. Either attack all the way or keep quiet all the way be it in their own government agencies and party and also opposition parties when there is lapses and not preferential treatment. Aka own government agencies give more chance then opposition party.

 

Nevertheless with the AGO flag out on lapses i can already find so many problems that need to take a deep look on the root cause of problem already. Hope ministers to press hard to find the root cause of the

problem and not just based on what they defend and what they had done to rectify the problem. The rectification of the problem only solve the surface problem it does not solve the root cause of the problem.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Yewheng

[Wt_know]

where got spare time?

spare no time and effort to fix oppo

Edited July 30, 2016 by Wt_know

[Playtime]

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/07/so-how-does-a-880k-bin-centre-look-like/

 

Apparently if this case is just sweeping under carpet then minister should also stop pressuring wp on atpc. To me this bin centre consulting fee that seems to charge overly high and reasons why were not cited in the approval paper for the draw down of funds. It is only after AGO flag out then they provide reasons. This is a serious lapsed.

 

When things happened kanna caught then provide reasons to defend. By then this things already happened. They can't do anything to reverse it. Similar to wp case, if wp would to have this lapsed, I am sure many ministers will be quick to pin point that and keep pressure wp said they have not done their job well and said that's tax payers money and etc.. So now let's see what mccy had to say now.

 

If ministers don't say anything about the bin centre case then it is clear cut they are really being bias and not being fair. They need to be fair. Either attack all the way or keep quiet all the way be it in their own government agencies and party and also opposition parties when there is lapses and not preferential treatment. Aka own government agencies give more chance then opposition party.

 

Nevertheless with the AGO flag out on lapses i can already find so many problems that need to take a deep look on the root cause of problem already. Hope ministers to press hard to find the root cause of the

problem and not just based on what they defend and what they had done to rectify the problem. The rectification of the problem only solve the surface problem it does not solve the root cause of the problem.

Is is totally wrong to compare it with the WP town council.

 

The govt has full use of all human and organising resources.

All the people involved are highly paid professionals.

 

Whereas opposition town councils have none of these advantages. . And in fact work under hostile govt environment.

[Othello]

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/07/so-how-does-a-880k-bin-centre-look-like/

 

.. So now let's see what mccy had to say now.

 

If ministers don't say anything about the bin centre case then it is clear cut they are really being bias and not being fair. They need to be fair. Either attack all the way or keep quiet all the way be it in their own government agencies and party and also opposition parties when there is lapses and not preferential treatment. Aka own government agencies give more chance then opposition party.

 

Nevertheless with the AGO flag out on lapses i can already find so many problems that need to take a deep look on the root cause of problem already. Hope ministers to press hard to find the root cause of the

problem and not just based on what they defend and what they had done to rectify the problem. The rectification of the problem only solve the surface problem it does not solve the root cause of the problem.

 

well, Dis-Graceful already said its COMPLEX mah, why you dun take her word ?

 

And some big wig minister also aired his thoughts liao -->

 

 

But most importantly at the end of the day --> 

 

 

endorsed by the people of Singapore (70%) 

[Playtime]

well, Dis-Graceful already said its COMPLEX mah, why you dun take her word ?

 

And some big wig minister also aired his thoughts liao -->

 

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But most importantly at the end of the day -->

 

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endorsed by the people of Singapore (70%)

Is it just me or do the pap deliberately use such language in the Chinese press to target perceived lower educated WP voters?

[Jellandross]

So hopefully this time round instead of just solving the surface problem, we actually hope that they could go more in depth and ask why? Why it happened? and then find out the root cause of problem and tackle it. That would be a more effective way of doing things.

 

The surface findings are merely based on what appeared on the official documents. To find the root cause of the rot, need to dig deeper and investigate what is going on behind the official documents -  who are the decision makers and what are their vested interests?  

 

Are they prepared to go deeper or will it become politically-inconvenient thereafter?  For example, in the NAC rubbish case, who are the owners of the consultancy firm and what is their relationship to the NAC decision makers?

 

I agree that LKY's philosophy of an all-powerful one-party rule had brought tremendous efficiency that allowed SG to progress to what it is today in just a few decades, which is unprecedented anywhere in the world.

 

However, the inherent weakness of our system is the lack of check-and-balance, ie. ownself check ownself.  It works beautifully when people with integrity are in the system.  But once dishonesty and elements of rot starts setting in, things can go downhill really fast.

 

Edited July 30, 2016 by Jellandross

[Passat57]

 

 

 

It is not fair to compare a HDB flat with the bin centre, because the HDB flat is the selling price, including 99 years leasing  the land, surrounding car parks and parks etc.  The bin?

[Evillusion]

The surface findings are merely based on what appeared on the official documents. To find the root cause of the rot, need to dig deeper and investigate what is going on behind the official documents - who are the decision makers and what are their vested interests?

 

Are they prepared to go deeper or will it become politically-inconvenient thereafter? For example, in the NAC rubbish case, who are the owners of the consultancy firm and what is their relationship to the NAC decision makers?

 

I agree that LKY's philosophy of an all-powerful one-party rule had brought tremendous efficiency that allowed SG to progress to what it is today in just a few decades, which is unprecedented anywhere in the world.

 

However, the inherent weakness of our system is the lack of check-and-balance, ie. ownself check ownself. It works beautifully when people with integrity are in the system. But once dishonesty and elements of rot starts setting in, things can go downhill really fast.

 

correct lar.....300000 is based on 5 room flats while bin centre has (never been in 1 before) most probably 3-4 rooms and the square area for the bin center is bigger thats why its 470000. Bin centers are usually found in older estate and as matured estate the land area is much more expensive. Must give praise to the newer estate as the bin center is now located in each block and the storage area for the cleaners are in the carpark.

PS: Must read this with a wry sense of humor....so dont flame me

Edited July 30, 2016 by Eviilusion