Tampines Roof Sunshade collapse

[SuPerBoRed]

Well.. Unless you know the building regulations inside out for the 1990s..

 

There are changes along the way.. So like I said have to look at building regulations in the 1990s at the point that the building was going to be constructed.. Maybe there is really no requirement for reinforcement for concrete sun shade? If really no requirement during 1990s than can't blame designers and the person who signed the contract what.. If during 1990s at that time there is already requirements to provide reinforcement bars for concrete sunshades then they are in trouble lor..

 

yup.. i understand where you are coming from..  my attachment to engineering consulting work only lasted 6mths tbf 

 

 

and it was in the 03.. 

 

but as i also pointed out.. i am sure.. if the requirements where not there...  the construction company.. would not have added them to the OTHER sunshades...  

 

no construction company would want to add costs to make themselves feel better... 

 

and.. .its  HDB contracts will pay for the specified amount of work... the $$ involved to add rebars.. is higher... ie.. HDB paid for it..  (evidenced from the other concrete sunshades) but the company didnt deliever... constitutes cheating imo

Edited December 5, 2016 by SuPerBoRed

[BanCoe]

Long time ago we were already using B.S.

 

Then in 90s change to S.S.

 

Can anyone in building industry confirm this?

 

 

BS : British Standard

SS : Singapore Standard

 

is SS same as what they used to call SISIR mark???  

[Yewheng]

yup.. i understand where you are coming from.. my attachment to engineering consulting work only lasted 6mths tbf

 

 

and it was in the 03..

 

but as i also pointed out.. i am sure.. if the requirements where not there... the construction company.. would not have added them to the OTHER sunshades...

 

no construction company would want to add costs to make themselves feel better...

 

and.. .its HDB contracts will pay for the specified amount of work... the $$ involved to add rebars.. is higher... ie.. HDB paid for it.. (evidenced from the other concrete sunshades) but the company didnt deliever... constitutes cheating imo

Ya, let's wait till investigation is complete then we know the answer lor.. It's gonna take sometime.. Based on the track record of many High profile cases. Murder and etc all took very long.. Some took so long that those sent to jail for major offence may had already gone in jail and release from jail already.. Take a look at chc case.. Gonna be 5yrs they still haven't go in jail yet and somemore can travel overseas freely. Haiz..

[Blueray]

when this block was being built, was rebar a requirement and clearly stated in the contract.

 

if Yes, then there is accountability issues

 

if No, please move on 

 

[Kb27]

How can someone miss out a whole rebar, esp the construction company ?

 

If you were building something, it's not a one day here and the next day can't see it bcuz it's covered in concrete.

Anyone passing by the construction area would have seen that missing rebar.

10 sunshades, 19 rebars, the missing rebar will catch anyone's eye.

[Mustank]

Was this during MBT time ?

I think way before Mbt time

[Adrianli]

How can someone miss out a whole rebar, esp the construction company ?

 

If you were building something, it's not a one day here and the next day can't see it bcuz it's covered in concrete.

Anyone passing by the construction area would have seen that missing rebar.

10 sunshades, 19 rebars, the missing rebar will catch anyone's eye.

 

Thatz why now pre-fab is better. All build to the same mould and standard.

[Nonpareil]

When you guys talk about BS or SS, those references only refer to the design or engineering stage. And yes there were safety factors involved, which are higher now, but still these factors refer to design and engineering.

When things move to construction, things might go missing even today. There are safe guards to these in place, like 3rd party inspectors, placed on site to inspect the works. These inspectors are still a requirement even now. But there will still be dodgy things happening back then and still does even now.

 

 

Thatz why now pre-fab is better. All build to the same mould and standard.

 

Pre-cast does not mean its better. As most pre-casting, in HDB, is done by the main contractor themselves, if they wanted to check they can with the pre-casting.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Nonpareil

[Atonchia]

is SS same as what they used to call SISIR mark???

think they are different, one for building rules and one for the consumer products.

[BanCoe]

think they are different, one for building rules and one for the consumer products.

Its getting so confusing.... i know that they now call it Spring Singapore ;  Keep changing names every now and then gets so confusing sometimes

 

PAP neber ever change name     

[Didu]

In September, a concrete sunshade dislodged...

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/sunshade-dislodged-at-tampines-block

 

 

Then more recently, some pieces fell off Block 51, Circuit Road...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/town-councils-to-take-action-after-parts-fall-off-circuit-rd/3359370.html

 

 

Resident's safety is definitely a concern here. Below might be some questions we need to ask:

 

- Does anyone have info with regards to the above building age?

- Which construction company build the above blocks?

- What is HDB guideline and approval process for non-structural design pieces attached to HDB buildings?

 

Strange thing is BCA & HDB seems to talk about fallen windows in the same breath and warn that "homeowners can face up to a maximum fine of $10,000 and/or jail term of up to one year". So how shall we penalize HDB for the above incidents?

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-cases-of-fallen-windows-this-year/3358876.html

 

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Then more recently, some pieces fell off Block 51, Circuit Road...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/town-councils-to-take-action-after-parts-fall-off-circuit-rd/3359370.html

 

 

Resident's safety is definitely a concern here. Below might be some questions we need to ask:

 

- Does anyone have info with regards to the above building age?

- Which construction company build the above blocks?

- What is HDB guideline and approval process for non-structural design pieces attached to HDB buildings?

 

Strange thing is BCA & HDB seems to talk about fallen windows in the same breath and warn that "homeowners can face up to a maximum fine of $10,000 and/or jail term of up to one year". So how shall we penalize HDB for the above incidents?

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-cases-of-fallen-windows-this-year/3358876.html

Think the above flat was built in 1969. I guess hdb should step up on their enbloc scheme on old hdb flats. Seems like hdb is very slow in enbloc old flats and there are still many flats more than 40 years here.