New EV Buying Journey

[Tohto]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:52 PM, FromA2B2C said:

So after 30+ years with a ICE car, and last 5 years without a car, took a plunge back but with EV car, MGS5. Order but failed COE this week.

Totally clueless on EV. Get mostly because condo where I am staying is installing EV chargers. Need some help in preparation for it

Condo charger is from Charge+. Other than installing Charge+ app, any other EV charging app I should explore to install or is there a single app that will shows all the charging points from different companies.

Are all charger in public and malls can be paid using credit card etc....without the providere' app

Thanks

Every operator will have it own app and are not share.

You can add the CC information into the app and when want to charge just scan QRcode and start.

They are not price the same and among them Shell is the most ex.

Charge+ and Volts is the cheapest.

Since your condo is installing the Charge+ charger, just subscribe it when you collect your car. Their condo subscription rate is quite good. My estate Charge+ also just start operating this month.

[Tohto]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:29 PM, Daniu82 said:

Cat A Seal is 10s. Heard SL going to have Cat A also. Saw the SL at my carpark and it’s quite big, I think if Cat A maybe will be super lao hong. 

And then they start to road hog on lane 1.

[Tohto]

On 5/24/2025 at 5:14 PM, FromA2B2C said:

Lol...oh..so I guess I have to create a new app folder on my phone..😀

For your reference. 

Not all are charger app.

Some are my car app and camera app.

[FromA2B2C]

On 5/24/2025 at 5:35 PM, Tohto said:

For your reference. 

Not all are charger app.

Some are my car app and camera app.

 

Woah!  . Thanks. That’s a good reference

[Tohto]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:40 PM, Lala81 said:

Nowadays all OTA updates and the software source code is their proprietary secret. Not like last time. 

ICE resale car always faced Odo meter tabulating, I believe for EV it won't be so easy or impossible by the 2nd hand dealer.

[Rskc]

On 5/24/2025 at 10:08 AM, Tohto said:

I think is the local AD problems. 

Yeah. Xpeng, Zeekr and Deepal have pretty good models but their pricing needs to be better, overtrade inclusive. I hope it will price Zeekr 7x sensibly if it wants to see it fly. 

[Rskc]

On 5/24/2025 at 11:01 AM, inlinesix said:

Just saw a Juniper.

Rear diffuser looks bad with the cheap plastic.

MG5 is Cat A. It’s price is on the high side as compared to SL7.

If SL7 launches Cat A, it will undercut MG5.

When Juniper first appeared in the social media, I thought it was really ugly. Then I saw it real at Ion, it was ok. Now that I see it 3 times on the road, hmm, not bad, quite nice. The design sort of grows on you.

1st time I saw SL, it was gorgeous, it was "omg, nice!". As I see it more on the road, I thought the wheel arches looks weird and empty, even with 20" wheels. I also start to find fault with the front design. 😅

Xpeng...same as Juniper. It was too round when I first saw it. As more are on the road, it looks pretty sleek.

I guess I am confused with the influx of EVs. 🤣

[Krieger]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:59 PM, Lethalstrike said:

You have to see which Volvo & Polestar. 

Volvo EX30 and Polestar 4 are using Geely's SEA platform, but the Volvo EX40/EC40, Polestar 2 and Polestar 3 are completely Volvo's own CMA / SPA2 platform. The new incoming models such as ES90, EX60, Polestar 5 have nothing to do with Geely also. 

Lethal, you are right on the spot. What i am trying to say is the Zeekr uses Volvo platform and those who are new to EV can get it at a lower price but almost the same performance of Volvo. So its value for money to buy Zeekr for those first EV timer. 

[Solar]

On 5/25/2025 at 12:46 PM, Rskc said:

When Juniper first appeared in the social media, I thought it was really ugly. Then I saw it real at Ion, it was ok. Now that I see it 3 times on the road, hmm, not bad, quite nice. The design sort of grows on you.

1st time I saw SL, it was gorgeous, it was "omg, nice!". As I see it more on the road, I thought the wheel arches looks weird and empty, even with 20" wheels. I also start to find fault with the front design. 😅

Xpeng...same as Juniper. It was too round when I first saw it. As more are on the road, it looks pretty sleek.

I guess I am confused with the influx of EVs. 🤣

U aren't the only one. They mostly look gimmicky and the same to me 🤣 

And yes, I saw a parked Sealion at Thomson plaza. U are right looks really weird. Wheel arch is too high and the black fender thingy pasted above the wheel arch is like an afterthought.

Reminds me of the 4WD Ford used by SAF..

[Rskc]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:29 PM, Daniu82 said:

Cat A Seal is 10s. Heard SL going to have Cat A also. Saw the SL at my carpark and it’s quite big, I think if Cat A maybe will be super lao hong. 

If SL7 has Cat A, it will be interesting to see how they will price it so as not to cannibalise atto3's sales. Also a 2.2 ton car at Cat A? 0~100kmh 12s? Hmm... 🤨😄

[Tohto]

On 5/25/2025 at 4:46 PM, Krieger said:

Lethal, you are right on the spot. What i am trying to say is the Zeekr uses Volvo platform and those who are new to EV can get it at a lower price but almost the same performance of Volvo. So its value for money to buy Zeekr for those first EV timer. 

Zeekr price is still too high off you ok at less than $10k ARF.

[Rskc]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:30 PM, Tohto said:

For my CAT B EV, i hardly try the full potential of it. Drive mode is set at normal, only steering set to heavy and dynamic set to sport.

With very light foot I am always ahead of all car from traffic light and expressway merging or lane change is a slight tab and go... many many reserved power not used. Likely because of the huge instant torque of 540Nm.

I think any car ICE or EV with 250nm torque and below 10s 0~100kmh is already very driveable in SG. I am perpetually on eco mode for my Cat A hatchback EV cos family complain normal mode too fast for their liking even when I hardly step hard on it. 😅 I have learnt to drive my EV like an ICE.  Lol.

[Volvobrick]

On 5/24/2025 at 1:25 PM, Daniu82 said:

If an EV is detuned to meet Cat A stds, will the pick up be much affected? The only things I am concerned are the high road tax and charging. 

Interesting question! How is it detuned? Reduction of the entire torque curve from zero to max rpm, or have a earlier (lower rpm) drop off of the torque curve?

If they really put in the efforts it is possible to maintain max 110kW all the way to red line for max performance. 

Edited May 25 by Volvobrick

[inlinesix]

On 5/25/2025 at 6:07 PM, Volvobrick said:

Interesting question! How is it detuned? Reduction of the entire torque curve from zero to max rpm, or have a earlier (lower rpm) drop off of the torque curve?

If they really put in the efforts it is possible to maintain max 110kW all the way to red line for max performance. 

Reduce motor RPM.

Like 20k to 10k.

[Carbon82]

On 5/24/2025 at 6:04 PM, Tohto said:

ICE resale car always faced Odo meter tabulating, I believe for EV it won't be so easy or impossible by the 2nd hand dealer.

It maybe the other way round.  

Tesla’s Odometer Lawsuit Could Be EV Industry’s Dieselgate Moment

A class-action suit claims Tesla rigs odometers with software to void warranties early—costing drivers thousands. Could this be Silicon Valley’s Dieselgate?

Tesla’s warranty strategy isn’t just aggressive—it’s algorithmic warfare against its own customers. A California class-action lawsuit alleges the company uses predictive software to inflate odometer readings by up to 117%, voiding warranties prematurely and forcing owners into $10,000 repair bills. And if the Courts find it to be systematic? Global? Based on the lawsuit data, the total estimated annual financial benefit to Tesla is about $3.99 billion.

The Algorithmic Mileage Scam

Nyree Hinton’s 2020 Model Y odometer logged 72 miles/day despite a 20-mile commute, burning through his 50,000-mile warranty in 18 months. Tesla’s system calculates distance using energy consumption and driving patterns rather than physical rotation, a method patented in 2023. This is not random or a glitch but part of Tesla’s revenue model. Every 1,000 algorithmically generated “miles” saves Tesla $200 in warranty repairs per vehicle, while pushing owners into $3,500 extended coverage plans.

Class Action Lawsuit Could Trigger Global Tesla Warranty Fallout

Tesla’s Q1 2025 revenue dropped 9% YoY to $19.3B, with operating margins collapsing to 2.1%. A Dieselgate-scale penalty ($33B+) would consume 89% of its $37B cash reserves. Unlike VW’s emissions cheat, Tesla’s alleged fraud targets individual contracts—a breach that could nullify 1.3 million California warranties and trigger global copycat suits.

The Trust Equation

Elon Musk dismissed the claims as “idiotic,” but Tesla’s only defense hinges on a technicality: odometers legally tolerate ±4% inaccuracies. Hinton’s alleged 117% discrepancy would require driving 205 mph daily—farcical for a suburban commuter. The real damage is reputational at a time when the costs of EV ownership, and the high likelihood of “unexpected costs,” are turning customers away.

Can Tesla Survive a Scandal Bigger Than Dieselgate?

VW never recovered its 2015 U.S. market share after Dieselgate. Tesla’s crisis is worse—it isn’t hiding pollution, but the mileage equivalent of rigged scales. When your car’s odometer runs faster than your mortgage clock, what’s left to trust?

[Lala81]

On 5/26/2025 at 1:13 AM, Carbon82 said:

It maybe the other way round.  

Tesla’s Odometer Lawsuit Could Be EV Industry’s Dieselgate Moment

A class-action suit claims Tesla rigs odometers with software to void warranties early—costing drivers thousands. Could this be Silicon Valley’s Dieselgate?

Tesla’s warranty strategy isn’t just aggressive—it’s algorithmic warfare against its own customers. A California class-action lawsuit alleges the company uses predictive software to inflate odometer readings by up to 117%, voiding warranties prematurely and forcing owners into $10,000 repair bills. And if the Courts find it to be systematic? Global? Based on the lawsuit data, the total estimated annual financial benefit to Tesla is about $3.99 billion.

The Algorithmic Mileage Scam

Nyree Hinton’s 2020 Model Y odometer logged 72 miles/day despite a 20-mile commute, burning through his 50,000-mile warranty in 18 months. Tesla’s system calculates distance using energy consumption and driving patterns rather than physical rotation, a method patented in 2023. This is not random or a glitch but part of Tesla’s revenue model. Every 1,000 algorithmically generated “miles” saves Tesla $200 in warranty repairs per vehicle, while pushing owners into $3,500 extended coverage plans.

Class Action Lawsuit Could Trigger Global Tesla Warranty Fallout

Tesla’s Q1 2025 revenue dropped 9% YoY to $19.3B, with operating margins collapsing to 2.1%. A Dieselgate-scale penalty ($33B+) would consume 89% of its $37B cash reserves. Unlike VW’s emissions cheat, Tesla’s alleged fraud targets individual contracts—a breach that could nullify 1.3 million California warranties and trigger global copycat suits.

The Trust Equation

Elon Musk dismissed the claims as “idiotic,” but Tesla’s only defense hinges on a technicality: odometers legally tolerate ±4% inaccuracies. Hinton’s alleged 117% discrepancy would require driving 205 mph daily—farcical for a suburban commuter. The real damage is reputational at a time when the costs of EV ownership, and the high likelihood of “unexpected costs,” are turning customers away.

Can Tesla Survive a Scandal Bigger Than Dieselgate?

VW never recovered its 2015 U.S. market share after Dieselgate. Tesla’s crisis is worse—it isn’t hiding pollution, but the mileage equivalent of rigged scales. When your car’s odometer runs faster than your mortgage clock, what’s left to trust?

Yeah I read about this. 

This is in an age where mileage check of your route just uses Google map to the 100m accuracy. 

Edited May 25 by Lala81

[Rickster]

On 5/24/2025 at 5:31 PM, Tohto said:

And then they start to road hog on lane 1.

I shudder at that thought because very likely will happen. 9 out of 10 car buyers I know only go for the biggest car their budget allows. With BYD already established as a good brand, no reason why it won’t become the next vezel if it’s priced right.

[Solar]

Honestly, I don't really know how EV manufacturers manage their revenue stream besides selling new EV, while warranty ends so many years later. 

Compared to traditional ICE where the are so many OEM parts to earn from. 

If they are following the traditional model, it'll be difficult to sustain.