MAZDA 6

[Nkw0820]

Hmmm.... is 1.2 qq so powerful? It is better than mazda 6 2.0?

If 0 to 40km/h , i think 1.2T should be better than 2.0.

If 60 to 100km/h, I think 2.0 NA should be better than 1.2T.

 

In fact, my Mazda 6 2.0 is slow compared with Wish 1.8 4-speed Auto in 0 to 40km/h.

[Davidklt]

In fact, I feel that SKYACTIVE engine is good in high rpm and Mazda 6-speed gear box is much fun to drive compare with CVT in Civic 1.6.

 

I have test drive both Mazda 6 2.0 and Civic 1.6 during my car hunting.

 

Build Quality: Mazda 6

Power: Mazda 6

Space: Civic

Driving Position: Mazda 6

 

I choose mazda 6 over Civic because CVT and seat position is too low for my parents.

The 1.5T Civic should be a better comparison. Reason being the difference in power output for the 1.6 Civic and 2.0 Mazda is too substantial. And the 1.6 civic carries an engine which is more than 10 years old. Edited June 16, 2019 by Davidtkl

[Nkw0820]

The 1.5T Civic should be a better comparison. Reason being the difference in power output for the 1.6 Civic and 2.0 Mazda is too substantial. And the 1.6 civic carries an engine which is more than 10 years old.

I understand but the selling price is too close between Mazda 6 2.0 standard and Civic 1.6 (In Dec 18).

I believe most of the buyer will compare the car by price instead of engine power.

Civic 1.6 is a good car but the price is not justified with the spec and features.

Edited June 16, 2019 by Nkw0820

[Kenomi]

I understand but the selling price is too close between Mazda 6 2.0 standard and Civic 1.6 (In Dec 18).

I believe most of the buyer will compare the car by price instead of engine power.

Civic 1.6 is a good car but the price is not justified with the spec and features.

The price is the same for civic 1.6 and mazda 6 standard in july 2018. I was considering before these two before i end up with the executive model.

[Nkw0820]

The price is the same for civic 1.6 and mazda 6 standard in july 2018. I was considering before these two before i end up with the executive model.

Frankly speaking, I am a bit regret to get Mazda 6 standard because executive model is really worth the money.

Anyway, Mazda 6 is still the best option within that price range.

Edited June 16, 2019 by Nkw0820

[Meemee]

Hmmm.... is 1.2 qq so powerful? It is better than mazda 6 2.0?

The m6 does not feel so inspiring ...as compare to the qashqai...

[richard_crl032]

I know one gentleman upgrade his car from QQ 1.2T to Mazda 6 2.0 and he should able to give you the best advice.

Hi Nkw,

 

Me ?

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

[richard_crl032]

Hmmm.... is 1.2 qq so powerful? It is better than mazda 6 2.0?

Hi Kenomi,

 

Nope .. I had both.

 

1.2 is quieter when pushed while mazda 6 can be harsh but no doubt mazda 6 is quicker if pushed.

 

The rush of the torque when 1.2l is maxed out gives the feeling of it going fast but it goes flat empty after that.

 

I had the qashqai 1.2 for almost 2 yrs and the mazda 6 since Oct 2018.

 

Btw, heavy footed me get 10-11km/l for the qashqai 1.2l compared to 12-13km/l for the mazda 6 ... even though preferring a high riding SUV, I did not miss the qashqai 1.2 ... hold out for new releases in UK are already 1.3 turbo with dual clutch which I would seriously watch out if ok since new and front renault for petrol ones:

 

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/nissan/qashqai-0

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

Edited June 17, 2019 by richard_crl032

[andrewyewkc]

If you feel that your Mazda 6, 2.0 is sluggish, you should ask for this at your next servicing at Mazda.

[takumi_ming]

If you feel that your Mazda 6, 2.0 is sluggish, you should ask for this at your next servicing at Mazda.

Engine cleaner solution?

[andrewyewkc]

Engine cleaner solution?

 

It cleans the engine and the fuel injectors. Your 2.0 will feel like a 2.5 until your system clogs up again. This is a Mazda product and recommended by Mazda.

 

http://owners-manual.mazda.com/gen/en/cx-5/cx-5_8gj1ee18b/contents/04040101.html

[car50]

Nice sharing Bro

Made a good point on maxing out torque on Q1.2

For M6, the torque is more evenly distributed across the range

 

There have been several comparisons in this forum on civic vs M6 over the past year

Ultimately it depends on the driver, if one likes to floor and zoom from one traffic light to another, then civic is more suitable, its more nimble, lighter and zooms around city traffic better than M6.

 

Those with more measured driving habits and enjoy gentle comfortable driving, and do not mind the occasional growling from the engine when floored, M6 is more suitable and as highlighted many times, the built quality is one of the best based on value.

 

Some say M6 got no power, that perceived lack of power arises because of the noise and inertia of the car at low rpm.

160-180hp is enough power on our roads when pushed. not any less than BMW 318/316 (130hp)  

  

 

 

Hi Kenomi,

Nope .. I had both.

1.2 is quieter when pushed while mazda 6 can be harsh but no doubt mazda 6 is quicker if pushed.

The rush of the torque when 1.2l is maxed out gives the feeling of it going fast but it goes flat empty after that.

I had the qashqai 1.2 for almost 2 yrs and the mazda 6 since Oct 2018.

Btw, heavy footed me get 10-11km/l for the qashqai 1.2l compared to 12-13km/l for the mazda 6 ... even though preferring a high riding SUV, I did not miss the qashqai 1.2 ... hold out for new releases in UK are already 1.3 turbo with dual clutch which I would seriously watch out if ok since new and front renault for petrol ones:

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/nissan/qashqai-0

Cheers.

Richard

 

[richard_crl032]

Nice sharing Bro

Made a good point on maxing out torque on Q1.2

For M6, the torque is more evenly distributed across the range

 

There have been several comparisons in this forum on civic vs M6 over the past year

Ultimately it depends on the driver, if one likes to floor and zoom from one traffic light to another, then civic is more suitable, its more nimble, lighter and zooms around city traffic better than M6.

 

Those with more measured driving habits and enjoy gentle comfortable driving, and do not mind the occasional growling from the engine when floored, M6 is more suitable and as highlighted many times, the built quality is one of the best based on value.

 

Some say M6 got no power, that perceived lack of power arises because of the noise and inertia of the car at low rpm.

160-180hp is enough power on our roads when pushed. not any less than BMW 318/316 (130hp)

Hi Car50,

 

My pleasure .. I owned the qashqai for almost 3 yrs and not typo error of 2 yrs.

 

For the M6, it is also the conservation FC friendly gearing that slows it down ... wacking beyond 3k does not allow gear change.

 

To speed up, rev till 2 to 2.5k rpm max and let the gear change before further acceleration .. it will do nicely for speed, engine noise and FC.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

Edited June 20, 2019 by richard_crl032

[Meemee]

It cleans the engine and the fuel injectors. Your 2.0 will feel like a 2.5 until your system clogs up again. This is a Mazda product and recommended by Mazda.

 

http://owners-manual.mazda.com/gen/en/cx-5/cx-5_8gj1ee18b/contents/04040101.html

New car need such product .??? Edited June 20, 2019 by Meemee

[ER-3682]

New car need such product .???

Yes,Every 10,000Km.

[Contipro]

It cleans the engine and the fuel injectors. Your 2.0 will feel like a 2.5 until your system clogs up again. This is a Mazda product and recommended by Mazda.

 

http://owners-manual.mazda.com/gen/en/cx-5/cx-5_8gj1ee18b/contents/04040101.html

 

well done the engineer.

purposely design the engine with know issue, marked into instruction manual and get to earn some extra profit thru sales of cleaning product. 

 

 

why not design to avoid such issue from occured....

[andrewyewkc]

well done the engineer.

purposely design the engine with know issue, marked into instruction manual and get to earn some extra profit thru sales of cleaning product. 

 

 

why not design to avoid such issue from occured....

 

Carbon deposits is a problem common to all internal combustion engines.

https://www.knowyourparts.com/technical-resources/engine/how-to-prevent-engine-deposits/

 

 

This carbon deposit problem is more acute in Singapore because we have less opportunity to rev our engines. If the engine can be revved to high rpm like on the North South Highway, some carbon deposits can be cleared.

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a25286/how-to-make-you-car-last-longer/

 

This thread may also shed some light on this

https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6136709-Driving-over-3000-rpm-for-20min-to-remove-carbon-deposits

An additional approach for reducing the formation of carbon deposits on the intake valves 20 is to increase the intake valve temperature, at least temporarily, since, surprisingly, it was found that any carbon deposits possibly present are removed at temperatures above 380° C. To this end, the intake valve unit, which comprises, among other components, the intake valves 20 and the valve stem guide 28, is designed with means that hinder heat dissipation in such a way that increased surface temperatures of more than 380° C. develop at least in the area of the neck 68 of the intake valves 20 in at least one predetermined region of the load characteristic diagram 74 of the internal combustion engine. This is illustrated in FIG. 4. The intake valve temperature is above 380° C. in the shaded region 112 b of the characteristic diagram. At these temperatures, carbon deposits on the intake valves 20 are removed. This region 112 b of the characteristic diagram occurs, for example, at speeds over 3,000 rpm, and in that speed range extends essentially to full load. Even if the internal combustion engine is not operated most of the time in the region 112 b during normal driving operation of a motor vehicle, nevertheless, carbon deposits that could adversely affect the operation of the internal combustion engine cannot build up, since their removal in the shaded region 112 b of the characteristic diagram occurs very quickly. For example, operation of the internal combustion engine in this region 112 b of the characteristic diagram for a period of, for example, 20 min., is sufficient to remove even a thick layer of carbon deposits. In other words, a routine expressway trip cleans the intake valves 20 sufficiently. In addition, this region of the characteristic diagram can be entered in the course of maintenance or repair work on the internal combustion engine in an automotive workshop.

Edited June 20, 2019 by andrewyewkc

[ER-3682]

well done the engineer.

purposely design the engine with know issue, marked into instruction manual and get to earn some extra profit thru sales of cleaning product. 

 

 

why not design to avoid such issue from occured....

All Direct Injection cars suffered from Carbon Deposit in the Intake System,that is why some Cars now got 2 Injection System,Port & Direct Injection to solve this Problem....anyway. Mazda SkyActiv engine best use 98 Petrol.