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Throttle2

Throttle2

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hmm.. i think the best way is to trade them off for something else.. i lose out abit.. i trade them with you.. i got limited G shocks.. how?

 

lol!

 

 

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Throttle2

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Supersonic

It's not so much whether it is time consuming or not but if you put something as being "Swiss Made" then it should be made in Swiss mah.....

 

Dude, you think your italian shirt that says made in Italy uses cotton harvested in Italian fields? Or even cotton spun in italy?

Think again....

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Viceroymenthol

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It's not so much whether it is time consuming or not but if you put something as being "Swiss Made" then it should be made in Swiss mah.....

 

Switzerland got crocodile boh? Got rubber plantation boh? Lancheow lah [laugh]

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Viceroymenthol

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you see too much watch commericals liao. They make it seems like a time-consuming process which deserve the big bucks that are selling. In real life, it's mass production in most of the process. [laugh]

 

As a rough rule, 10% of the selling price actually account for the production cost; the rest are parasites.

 

Advertising lah, endorsement lah, etc

 

Every time you see Rolex advertisement big big on newspapers and magazines, always remember that you contributed to it...

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Kar_lover

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Dude, you think your italian shirt that says made in Italy uses cotton harvested in Italian fields? Or even cotton spun in italy?

Think again....

 

I think clothes and watches are not the same. Clothes go with the branding like Hugo Boss, Zegna, Ralph Lauren, etc. They don't emphasise it is made in where as a selling point. It's about the designer. Some of my Nike and Adidas apparel clearly states made in Vietnam (IIRC). For watches, the whole "swiss watch" thing is very played up as being the best. In fact I can't think of any single product type where its supposed origin is a key point. Maybe a close second is cars (eg. german cars).

 

Anyway, maybe all of you knew about it already. I am just the dumb watch noob who thought swiss watches were really fully produced in Switzerland with all their watchmaking "heritage" which is why we pay 10 times or in some cases even 100 times compared to a Police, Fossil, Casio or even Seiko.

 

 

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Viceroymenthol

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I think clothes and watches are not the same. Clothes go with the branding like Hugo Boss, Zegna, Ralph Lauren, etc. They don't emphasise it is made in where as a selling point. It's about the designer. Some of my Nike and Adidas apparel clearly states made in Vietnam (IIRC). For watches, the whole "swiss watch" thing is very played up as being the best. In fact I can't think of any single product type where its supposed origin is a key point. Maybe a close second is cars (eg. german cars).

 

Anyway, maybe all of you knew about it already. I am just the dumb watch noob who thought swiss watches were really fully produced in Switzerland with all their watchmaking "heritage" which is why we pay 10 times or in some cases even 100 times compared to a Police, Fossil, Casio or even Seiko.

 

Swiss watches and their mechanical movements are engineered, crafted and assembled in Switzerland... that is good enough for me.... I don't need to know which Korean or Chinese mill the steel came from or which kiln the sapphire glass or ceramic is baked in, or which Russian laboratory the jewels were fabricated, or which Malaysian plantation the rubber gasket came from, or which Amazonian river the croc strap came from. Do you really want to find out where the cement they use to glue parts together came from?

 

Police, Fossil, Casio? If you want to compare % of production cost to its selling price, I would bet it is even lower than that of Rolex. And they are all made in many ever-changing subcontracted Chinese factories with dubious processes.

 

Seiko automatic, whether Japan or China made models may also have many Chinese parts, but at least most sell for less than $400, majority being in the $200-$300 range.

 

By the way, a Chinese fake AP, Hublot, IWC, Panerai and Rolex watch on the streets of Shenzhen and Guangzhou already sets you back anywhere from S$50 to S$200 and none are as reliable as even the China-made Seiko, but that's off topic.

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Throttle2

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I think clothes and watches are not the same. Clothes go with the branding like Hugo Boss, Zegna, Ralph Lauren, etc. They don't emphasise it is made in where as a selling point. It's about the designer. Some of my Nike and Adidas apparel clearly states made in Vietnam (IIRC). For watches, the whole "swiss watch" thing is very played up as being the best. In fact I can't think of any single product type where its supposed origin is a key point. Maybe a close second is cars (eg. german cars).

 

Anyway, maybe all of you knew about it already. I am just the dumb watch noob who thought swiss watches were really fully produced in Switzerland with all their watchmaking "heritage" which is why we pay 10 times or in some cases even 100 times compared to a Police, Fossil, Casio or even Seiko.

 

i am talking about shirts that are labelled Made in Italy. Not just branding lah.

They are made as in cut and tailored in Italy but the cloth or fabric is not necessarily so.

In fact most of the time not.

 

Some materials are sourced from outside and then finished in Italy, and that already allows it to be labelled as so.

 

Fr watches , there is a standard too as our fellow forumer has mentioned.

Very clearcut, what constitutes swiss made and what doesnt.

 

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Kar_lover

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Swiss watches and their mechanical movements are engineered, crafted and assembled in Switzerland... that is good enough for me.... I don't need to know which Korean or Chinese mill the steel came from or which kiln the sapphire glass or ceramic is baked in, or which Russian laboratory the jewels were fabricated, or which Malaysian plantation the rubber gasket came from, or which Amazonian river the croc strap came from. Do you really want to find out where the cement they use to glue parts together came from?

 

Totally agree with u on all this. The origins of the raw material is not important to me. I am talking abt the factory where the final watch is produced right up to the final assembly and packaging. But this "mini thread" was because i found out that the final assembly for some of these watches are not done in Switzerland.

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Rainman

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Hi all,

 

Wanted to upgrade my daily watch to a rolex sub....what is the indicative price for a pre-owned?

 

And what should I be looking at? paper? yom? Any good shops that is recommended?

 

Budget 8k.

 

Thanks :)

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Throttle2

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Totally agree with u on all this. The origins of the raw material is not important to me. I am talking abt the factory where the final watch is produced right up to the final assembly and packaging. But this "mini thread" was because i found out that the final assembly for some of these watches are not done in Switzerland.

 

Yah sure. What did you find out boutRolex exactly ?thats its assembled in Cuba

 

 

MuayHahaha

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Throttle2

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Hi all,

 

Wanted to upgrade my daily watch to a rolex sub....what is the indicative price for a pre-owned?

 

And what should I be looking at? paper? yom? Any good shops that is recommended?

 

Budget 8k.

 

Thanks :)

 

For current model , check that there are no dings and not over polished. Unscrew crown and test the winding and movement of hands and date. Make sure extra links are present together with box and papers.

 

Many shops around take your pick.

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Enye

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Hi all,

 

Wanted to upgrade my daily watch to a rolex sub....what is the indicative price for a pre-owned?

 

And what should I be looking at? paper? yom? Any good shops that is recommended?

 

Budget 8k.

 

Thanks :)

 

up your budget to about 9k

 

you can get bnib sub c date.

 

or get a bnib sub c (no date) with your current budget

 

don't bother about pre owned.

 

[;)]

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Kar_lover

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i am talking about shirts that are labelled Made in Italy. Not just branding lah.

They are made as in cut and tailored in Italy but the cloth or fabric is not necessarily so.

In fact most of the time not.

 

Some materials are sourced from outside and then finished in Italy, and that already allows it to be labelled as so.

 

Fr watches , there is a standard too as our fellow forumer has mentioned.

Very clearcut, what constitutes swiss made and what doesnt.

 

To me, for mechanical/electronic things, the origin of make is more important than non-mechanicals such as non-mechanical/electronic stuff apparel. Just like the Thai-made Altis is always seen as a poor relation to other Japanese made Toyota models. I also remember when I was buying large screen TV a couple of years ago, salesman highlighted that a certain Japanese brand (can't remember was it Sharp or Panasonic) was actually made in Malaysia whereas Sony was made in Japan hence there was a big price difference for similar specced TV. I guess I just find it a bit deceptive that watch brands are "hiding" that it is assembled outside switzerland. Even for a very American brand like Apple, they also state on their box that it is "Assembled in China".

 

Even for non-mechanical/electronic stuff, some things like cigars, chocolates, whiskey, etc have a certain country/region where they are seen as being the best. Imagine if your expensive Godiva chocolates or Laduree macaroons were actually made in Malaysia!

 

Well anyway I am guessing/hoping when a watch is assembled in HK, it's only the final assembly, i.e. they get all the completed parts (movement, case, dial, bracelet, etc) and just put it together in which case it would be ok. I just wonder is the assembly cost so high that they must outsource it? If they already produced the parts in Switzerland (my SO warranty booklet says "printed in Switzerland" and there is a "Manufacture En Suisse" embossed in my bracelet) why ship the parts halfway across the world just to put it together? I wonder if these "assemblers" are actually part of the parent company or just some kind of "contract manufacturer" just paid to do a job.

 

 

 

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Kar_lover

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And you believe this myth?

 

No........ [knife]

 

Sorry man, I am a noob in this. Which part are you referring to as the myth? That his watch is entirely made in Switzerland or that our local ones are assembled in HK?

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