Could Anyone Have Braked In Time To Avoid This Accident?

[Chaoswellwisher]

I don't think i can even reach for my brakes the moment i see her):

[Vhtfhwlego]

Instead of your fancy calculations, how about telling us the various ways this driver could have avoided/lessen the impact of the accident?

 

Hindsight is 20/20. But lets apply it for the future.

 

 

Screenshot of distance of first sighting.

It's beyond laws of physics to stop and what makes you think that hindsight could stop?

[Zyklon]

Drive slower maybe can reduce impact...but when it comes to law, ambulance was called, girl was injured, chop plus stamp driver is still go court tio charge.

 

Maybe some of you who self proclaim can stop in time really can, but I know I can't even if I was doing 30-40km/hr. Where got people can react so fast one?

[Voodooman]

Instead of your fancy calculations, how about telling us the various ways this driver could have avoided/lessen the impact of the accident?

 

Hindsight is 20/20. But lets apply it for the future.

 

 

I thought his fancy calculation is quite logical, more real than your assertion that this accident is preventable, how can one anticipate such a stupid and irresponsible act on the part of the girl (no malice intended and I wish her speedy recovery)?

 

I would think LTA should redesign the fence but if someone wants to dash out all of a sudden, a transparent fence won't be of much help, unless we all drive at 5 to 10 km/h, which probably does not make sense. Maybe we should fence up all our roads to prevent stupid people from getting killed?

Edited February 20, 2014 by Voodooman

[Vhtfhwlego]

I thought his fancy calculation is quite logical, more real than your assertion that this accident is preventable, how can one anticipate such a stupid and irresponsible act on the part of the girl (no malice intended and I wish her speedy recovery)?

 

I would think LTA should redesign the fence but if someone wants to dash out all of a sudden, a transparent fence won't be of much help, unless we all drive at 5 to 10 km/h, which probably does not make sense. Maybe we should fence up all our roads to prevent stupid people from getting killed?

The best thing about my logic, I did the maths before I google the answer.

Actually there is a way to prevent, we all drive slot cars or tamiya.

[Nodtviedt]

The design of the fence is pretty dumb.

 

There should be a small stretch of lowered fencing (like those near traffic crossings) towards the end of the fence where the accident happened. At the very least, change the fences as such that cars can see the oncoming road, just need to adjust or change the railings to allow a slanted angle, simply remove alternate railings from each side.

 

I hope the poor girl recovers well and that the accident will prompt the authorities to do something about the dumb fences.

[beeepmeeep]

Partial fault goes to the driver.

Remember, the principle that it is the vehicle that is supposed to keep a lookout for pedestrians, regardless.

Since he cannot see the other side of the fence, he must slow down before the point the fence ends to make sure no pedestrians there.

He cannot claim total innocence esp its a road surrounding housing estates, near a bus stop....an area where ther are bound to be people around.

Also looks like he is going above 50kmh. Charge the fella for inconsiderate driving.

THIS ACCIDENT IS PREVENTABLE!

 

I think all here would agree and do practice safe driving by keeping a lookout for pedestrians and take necessary precautions to avoid accidents.

 

Just to share some thoughts, for a person who is not familiar with that stretch of road, he may not know before hand nor able to see that the fencing was cut off around the "apex" of the bend (i.e., the part where the girl dashed out). If that being the case, a person suddenly dashing "though" the fencing across the road would certainly not be a highly anticipated scenario. Instead there may be more of an anticipation of people suddenly popping out from in between the 2 buses or the buses suddenly coming out of the lane, taking up more of his attention. That may be a contributing factor towards the unfortunate incident. Good thing is the driver seemed to have reacted in good time in stopping, lessening the impact to the girl.

 

Not pointing fingers at who is right or wrong but it seems like it's a case of both party being at the wrong place at wrong time given the seemingly majority consensus in the difficulty in avoiding such an incident in this situation. However it is good to know that the girl was not injured seriously and is already well on the road to recovery.

[Fcw75]

Talk is cheap.

I see the video for the first time also got shocked by the incident.

And already declared that I also cannot stop in time.

 

- See thru fence is possible but this situation, fence at bend which creates longer blind spot.

- A frame of cabby could had been blocked by line of sight.

 

Talk is not cheap, it's free!

[Tony76]

An unfortunate accident that no one wants it to happen. Fortunately, the girl is fine. Glad to know she is recovering as the impact was quite unimaginable. LTK must have thank his lucky star that it happened in sembawang and not aljunied or hougang.. If not another opposition bashing can be expected........

Did LTK mention abt this accident somewhere?

[Pandapura]

The best thing about my logic, I did the maths before I google the answer.

Actually there is a way to prevent, we all drive slot cars or tamiya.

Or everyone rides a bicycle...wait, even riding bicycle may not solve the problem.

 

Cos the root of the problem is something else.

I think all here would agree and do practice safe driving by keeping a lookout for pedestrians and take necessary precautions to avoid accidents.

 

Just to share some thoughts, for a person who is not familiar with that stretch of road, he may not know before hand nor able to see that the fencing was cut off around the "apex" of the bend (i.e., the part where the girl dashed out). If that being the case, a person suddenly dashing "though" the fencing across the road would certainly not be a highly anticipated scenario. Instead there may be more of an anticipation of people suddenly popping out from in between the 2 buses or the buses suddenly coming out of the lane, taking up more of his attention. That may be a contributing factor towards the unfortunate incident. Good thing is the driver seemed to have reacted in good time in stopping, lessening the impact to the girl.

 

Not pointing fingers at who is right or wrong but it seems like it's a case of both party being at the wrong place at wrong time given the seemingly majority consensus in the difficulty in avoiding such an incident in this situation. However it is good to know that the girl was not injured seriously and is already well on the road to recovery.

 

Well said!

Am also glad that the girl (being in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing) is recovering well.

[Whisper_2000]

i know i probably can't. considering the fence is obstructing the view of the other side of the road and the speed of the running kid. hope the little girl is fine.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMh7LeoFJ6E

 

 

WTH WTH WTH, the moment I saw the video....... my heart melted & i'm lost with words. I wouldn't been able to brake on time !

 

I sincerely hope this little girl is ok & will recover fully. I share the sadness with the little girls family.

 

Feeling so sad.......

[Glyuen]

Could this have prevented or mitigated the damage?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVWB1I9a08

 

 

(PhysOrg.com) -- Swedish vehicle manufacturer Volvo’s goal is that by 2020 nobody should be killed or seriously injured in a new Volvo and their cars should not seriously injure or kill other road users or pedestrians. To help achieve this aim the company has developed a detection system for cars that can detect pedestrians, predict when they might move in front of the vehicle and automatically apply the brakes if the driver does not.

The Collision Warning with Full Auto Brake and Pedestrian Detection system fitted in the 2011 model S60 was first announced early last year. It uses a computer fed by information from a wide-angle radar system that detects objects and monitors their speed and distance from the car, and from a camera fitted near the rear view mirror. Using this information the computer identifies the objects and determines if they are on a collision path.

If a collision is imminent the car gives the driver an audible and visual warning and brakes hard if the driver does not react quickly enough. At speeds under 35 km/h a collision is prevented, while at higher speeds it may not be possible to avoid a collision but the impact and subsequent injuries are reduced.

[Ezfaun]

Option 1: Install barriers on jaywalking hotspots.

Option 2: Teach children at a very young age to use the pedestrian crossing as part of their social etiquette. It's all about social upbringing lah. Compare south middle eastern countries to Singapore. Those guys just don't give a damn. Thankfully most ppl here still use the ped crossings responsibly. A lot still jaywalk though. And even worse, they seem to love jaywalking at blind corners where people normally drive faster.

[Nicholas]

Stupid fence, why stop at bus stop? Should make the fence longer until traffic light.

 

Stupid girl, but how to blame small children...? In her mind, she was probably thinking about the scolding for being late, and not the consequence of being hit by cars. Hope she can recover from this to become stronger, and smarter.

 

I don't know the taxi's speed so can't comment on that. I'm not a hypocrite to say I would driver slower at that place unless of course I go there so often I know this kind of jaywalking is common.

 

 

[Othello]

Partial fault goes to the driver.

 

Remember, the principle that it is the vehicle that is supposed to keep a lookout for pedestrians, regardless.

 

Since he cannot see the other side of the fence, he must slow down before the point the fence ends to make sure no pedestrians there.

 

He cannot claim total innocence esp its a road surrounding housing estates, near a bus stop....an area where ther are bound to be people around.

 

Also looks like he is going above 50kmh. Charge the fella for inconsiderate driving.

 

THIS ACCIDENT IS PREVENTABLE!

 

if you guys have a car DVR, you would know that a car APPEARS to be driving at a higher speed than actual.

 

I agree with you, accident is preventable if the girl has used her EYES

I may be wrong but the cam car shd hv been doing 50-60, which is what I would do. My answer to TS' question is the same as every bros here.

 

Therefore......will LTA just fence up the whole farking stretch??!

 

no need, just farking fence up ALL of Singapore roads

Talk is cheap.

I see the video for the first time also got shocked by the incident.

And already declared that I also cannot stop in time.

 

- See thru fence is possible but this situation, fence at bend which creates longer blind spot.

- A frame of cabby could had been blocked by line of sight.

 

We all cannot, only bro Gitanic can. SALUTE him and nominate him for BESTEST driver in Singapore, Johor and some say Batam

[Gendut]

The majority here keeps pointing at the 'other' party to do the right thing in avoiding accidents.

 

What I'm driving at, is that the focus, for us as drivers, to be the primary source of accident prevention.

 

Are we going to wait until all kids learn to cross the road properly, or are we as adult drivers, take the onus to watch out for these kids?

 

It will be a sad day if a similar situation occurs again somewhere else and the same response is put out:

 

"Oh...I cannot stop in time......Oh...the kid should not have run across.....Oh....I hope she is allright.....blah blah......"

 

The objective is one an its clear. We must prevent this happening again and it starts from us, the drivers. Go slow, change lane, pay attention, school zone behaviour.....etc....there's many habits we can change.

 

Again, a reminder to not cry a belated tear when its your loved ones who is dead and the driver says "I cannot stop in time....she should have looked".

 

 

 

 

[Cephas]

The title question in this topic is a reactive type of question and majority of us here answered to it.

 

Gendut, maybe you would like to start a preventive question type?

[Caravan]

Could this have prevented or mitigated the damage?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVWB1I9a08

 

 

(PhysOrg.com) -- Swedish vehicle manufacturer Volvo’s goal is that by 2020 nobody should be killed or seriously injured in a new Volvo and their cars should not seriously injure or kill other road users or pedestrians. To help achieve this aim the company has developed a detection system for cars that can detect pedestrians, predict when they might move in front of the vehicle and automatically apply the brakes if the driver does not.

The Collision Warning with Full Auto Brake and Pedestrian Detection system fitted in the 2011 model S60 was first announced early last year. It uses a computer fed by information from a wide-angle radar system that detects objects and monitors their speed and distance from the car, and from a camera fitted near the rear view mirror. Using this information the computer identifies the objects and determines if they are on a collision path.

If a collision is imminent the car gives the driver an audible and visual warning and brakes hard if the driver does not react quickly enough. At speeds under 35 km/h a collision is prevented, while at higher speeds it may not be possible to avoid a collision but the impact and subsequent injuries are reduced.

 

Definitely, a computer can process and react much faster than a human. That's why modern inherently unstable planes are flown by computers. The only issue here is that of false positives (what if the computer decides to brake when it's not a real obstacle?).

Hopefully such technology can be more widely implemented as cost goes down. It will help prevent accidents and lower injuries/damages.