GrabHitch/RYDE-car pooling services

[Yewheng]

Grab is just grabbing whatever it can, it is called 不拿白不拿.

 

You should know better, it is free market enterprise. What do you want LTA to do? Stop a private enterprise from charging a fee for a service it is providing? You also mentioned now the playing field is leveled, so you should be happy.

No.. What I am saying is the unlimited hitch which is clearly a rule broken.. Just that grab managed to find a loophole on it. In fact Ryde also doing the same thing. If want do unlimited hitch can, then don't call it hitch to cover for petrol expenses lor.

 

Maybe can feedback to grab.. Those phv drivers who do unlimited hitch will continue to pay 10% commission as they are earning for a living.. Whereas others who is only allowed to drive hitch 2 trips should not be charged 10% commission as it is purely to cover for petrol cost.

 

This maybe a better idea.. Haha

Edited May 31, 2018 by Yewheng

[supersen]

I already sent some screenshot from here to lta for feedback already.. Hoping lta to clamp down on grab and ryde on the hitch thing. By right hitch is only to cover petrol.. Now it become a commercialized tool to earn money for phv drivers. So It's now defeat the meaning of hitch a ride.

 

 

btw phv drivers like to take grabhitch because grab absorb commission from grab drivers while grabhitch is fully paid to drivers

I took grab and driver told me, if they see grab riders very far, they wont even take the ride, switch to grabhitch for better $$$

So sometimes rider are being cancelled by drivers

 

Please do feedback to LTA also

you do the maths, which is worth it if i am phv drivers?

 

grabhitch or grab calls? 

[uniquely_ad]

btw phv drivers like to take grabhitch because grab absorb commission from grab drivers while grabhitch is fully paid to drivers

I took grab and driver told me, if they see grab riders very far, they wont even take the ride, switch to grabhitch for better $$$

So sometimes rider are being cancelled by drivers

 

Please do feedback to LTA also

you do the maths, which is worth it if i am phv drivers?

 

grabhitch or grab calls?

It’s not LTA problem, but mainly it’s Grab fault for letting such nonsense happening on their own app. Should make Grabshare/Justgrab/GrabCar for PHV Drivers and Grabhitch for non-PHV Drivers..

 

Then now Grab realise most drivers are doing GrabHifch and they can’t profit from it = penalise everyone by putting 10% commission on Grabhitch.

 

For those whom said GrabHitch driver must understand there’s no free Lunch, please understand that by allowing riders to use GrabHitch = they got potential riders to alternate between Grabhitch or GrabCar when hitch isn’t available which in return they still make money.

Edited May 31, 2018 by uniquely_ad

[Leo72]

It’s not LTA problem, but mainly it’s Grab fault for letting such nonsense happening on their own app. Should make Grabshare/Justgrab/GrabCar for PHV Drivers and Grabhitch for non-PHV Drivers..

 

Then now Grab realise most drivers are doing GrabHifch and they can’t profit from it = penalise everyone by putting 10% commission on Grabhitch.

 

For those whom said GrabHitch driver must understand there’s no free Lunch, please understand that by allowing riders to use GrabHitch = they got potential riders to alternate between Grabhitch or GrabCar when hitch isn’t available which in return they still make money.

Most grab hitch drivers only do 1 or 2 pick-up per trip as they don't want to do too much detour and use too much time for hitching. Grab by introducing a 10% commission due to their fault of allowing Grab Driver to do unlimited hitch will cause the pool of real hitch drivers as some drivers will totally give up hitching and some drivers will narrow down the detour distance. The biggest losers will be the hitch riders as they'll mostly be served by Grab Driver who do multiple pickup which will affect the time to reach their destination.

[Yewheng]

Most grab hitch drivers only do 1 or 2 pick-up per trip as they don't want to do too much detour and use too much time for hitching. Grab by introducing a 10% commission due to their fault of allowing Grab Driver to do unlimited hitch will cause the pool of real hitch drivers as some drivers will totally give up hitching and some drivers will narrow down the detour distance. The biggest losers will be the hitch riders as they'll mostly be served by Grab Driver who do multiple pickup which will affect the time to reach their destination.

Ya.. End up it will become like grabshare.. Practically in future there will be no difference between grabhitch and grabshare.. Except grabhitch can share up to 4 rider whereas grabshare max only 2. So end up riders who want to share ride most likely will share with more people and took longer time to reach their destination.

[Gizmore]

No wonder I observe a different behavior in the riders lately. I have a sense of being treated like a taxi driver these days. Hitch riders expecting me to get down and help them load their stuff in boot, sit behind, no conversation, no greetings etc.

 

Too many PHVs taking up Hitch riders and spoiling market.

[retrozz]

The 10% platform charge was the final straw. Gave some crabby reason about the improvements done. It was like the app didn’t improve lor - reminds me of some idiotic minister recently give reason of Self discipline but catch no ball. Cannot see rider ratings and feedback also like useless, a bit wayang it seems. Time is precious to me so not putting up with cancel riders and late ones too. Yup, I am no longer hitching passengers anymore.

 

@gizmore you are right about the riders. Seeing more of them sit at the back. Not a big deal but a trend that is not healthy telling us that more PHV in the fray. The result is more riders complain about detours and longer traveling time and hence the quality riders also seems to disappear.

 

With rising petrol prices and costs of maintenance, hey even MRT also increase their maintenance costs, it doesn’t make sense for drivers to pay for the platform fees in fact we need more fees. Hitch is not longer the intended hitch and unless Grab offers MORE protection for the owners by removing PHV, start rating of riders and raise the fees, more hitch car owners will move away once they realize the costly and complicated hitch structure. Yup, the fees are not that worth it after factoring the time costs, the mileage higher then usual affecting your resale, the tires running out faster and the car parts replacement faster and not to forget the frustration of problem riders - as if driving on the road not enough stress already.

Edited May 31, 2018 by retrozz

[Yewheng]

The 10% platform charge was the final straw. Gave some crabby reason about the improvements done. It was like the app didn’t improve lor - reminds me of some idiotic minister recently give reason of Self discipline but catch no ball. Cannot see rider ratings and feedback also like useless, a bit wayang it seems. Time is precious to me so not putting up with cancel riders and late ones too. Yup, I am no longer hitching passengers anymore.

 

@gizmore you are right about the riders. Seeing more of them sit at the back. Not a big deal but a trend that is not healthy telling us that more PHV in the fray. The result is more riders complain about detours and longer traveling time and hence the quality riders also seems to disappear.

 

With rising petrol prices and costs of maintenance, hey even MRT also increase their maintenance costs, it doesn’t make sense for drivers to pay for the platform fees in fact we need more fees. Hitch is not longer the intended hitch and unless Grab offers MORE protection for the owners by removing PHV, start rating of riders and raise the fees, more hitch car owners will move away once they realize the costly and complicated hitch structure. Yup, the fees are not that worth it after factoring the time costs, the mileage higher then usual affecting your resale, the tires running out faster and the car parts replacement faster and not to forget the frustration of problem riders - as if driving on the road not enough stress already.

Actually to be fair ever since the uber and grab merger. There are some riders who switched from uber to grab and it's their 1st time try grab.

 

Then they see, hey what is grabhitch.. So much cheaper. So they try it. Then they try it and felt it's like uberpool.. Not bad.. So their mentally is like grabhitch = uberpool. Plus during that period of transition, grab drivers earning start to drop.. And many drivers start to realized because they could do unlimited hitch due to grab staff and also in uber/grab and or phv Facebook page got people who drive unlimited grabhitch start to tell people in facebook that phv drivers can do unlimited hitch. So more phv drivers start to drive hitch and for riders = easier to get a hitch ride. Then the mindset is spread further that hitch is = to uberpool.. And for some riders who frequently took grabhitch, slowly realized that.. Hey nowadays take grabhitch like no difference taking grabshare leh. So there it goes.. That's why you drivers start to feel that recently more riders take back seat, more expect drivers to load stuff and more detour.

 

The weird part is don't know lta know about this or pretend not to know as clearly there is a loophole and grab and Ryde use this loophole to make it sound like they are not wrong. Phv drivers can do unlimited hitch and rydepool.. They have not broken the rules. But in actual fact, why are they still calling it hitch a ride, help drivers to cover petrol cost and still call it so nowadays since hitch is becoming like grabshare already.

Edited May 31, 2018 by Yewheng

[retrozz]

Actually to be fair ever since the uber and grab merger. There are some riders who switched from uber to grab and it's their 1st time try grab.

 

Then they see, hey what is grabhitch.. So much cheaper. So they try it. Then they try it and felt it's like uberpool.. Not bad.. So their mentally is like grabhitch = uberpool. Plus during that period of transition, grab drivers earning start to drop.. And many drivers start to realized because they could do unlimited hitch due to grab staff and also in uber/grab and or phv Facebook page got people who drive unlimited grabhitch start to tell people in facebook that phv drivers can do unlimited hitch. So more phv drivers start to drive hitch and for riders = easier to get a hitch ride. Then the mindset is spread further that hitch is = to uberpool.. And for some riders who frequently took grabhitch, slowly realized that.. Hey nowadays take grabhitch like no difference taking grabshare leh. So there it goes.. That's why you drivers start to feel that recently more riders take back seat, more expect drivers to load stuff and more detour.

 

The weird part is don't know lta know about this or pretend not to know as clearly there is a loophole and grab and Ryde use this loophole to make it sound like they are not wrong. Phv drivers can do unlimited hitch and rydepool.. They have not broken the rules. But in actual fact, why are they still calling it hitch a ride, help drivers to cover petrol cost and still call it so nowadays since hitch is becoming like grabshare already.

 

Thanks for sharing the trends. When you mention at the start "Actually to be fair" - fair to what or to whom? 

Hitch = social car pooling. Has the definition changed?

I'm cool with the unlimited but NOT the 10% platform fees plus having poor social behavior like cancel rides and waits - 

There's nothing wrong with helping folks with luggage and stuff, like we do for friends right? Then raise the collection when petrol is up for so long. Owners do not get incentives like PHV drivers do and are doing this for social and green reasons. So charge the platform fees up to 20% for the PHV drivers and NOT the Car owners, if i can add on to @yewheng idea of differentiation

 

Changing the rules is a breach of LTA rules and also the owners' trust. I still don't see the 10% platform fees for the invisible improvements they claimed have happenned! So what is hitch?

- has the definition changed? 

- has the riders behaviour changed so that we have a more gracious society?

- has Grab informed the Owner the changes for all this?

- so no more social car pooling?

- Owners has become a minority now for hitch?

No more transparency. That is why I'm out of hitch 

Edited June 1, 2018 by retrozz

[Fcw75]

SMLJ platform fee...just call it commission.

 

Last time was free we drivers cannot expect much from them. But now since they charge 10%, we must demand more from them. Ask them to impose cancellation charge, have rider rating, etc.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Fcw75

[Leo72]

The 10% platform charge was the final straw. Gave some crabby reason about the improvements done. It was like the app didn’t improve lor - reminds me of some idiotic minister recently give reason of Self discipline but catch no ball. Cannot see rider ratings and feedback also like useless, a bit wayang it seems. Time is precious to me so not putting up with cancel riders and late ones too. Yup, I am no longer hitching passengers anymore.

 

@gizmore you are right about the riders. Seeing more of them sit at the back. Not a big deal but a trend that is not healthy telling us that more PHV in the fray. The result is more riders complain about detours and longer traveling time and hence the quality riders also seems to disappear.

 

With rising petrol prices and costs of maintenance, hey even MRT also increase their maintenance costs, it doesn’t make sense for drivers to pay for the platform fees in fact we need more fees. Hitch is not longer the intended hitch and unless Grab offers MORE protection for the owners by removing PHV, start rating of riders and raise the fees, more hitch car owners will move away once they realize the costly and complicated hitch structure. Yup, the fees are not that worth it after factoring the time costs, the mileage higher then usual affecting your resale, the tires running out faster and the car parts replacement faster and not to forget the frustration of problem riders - as if driving on the road not enough stress already.

Maybe can consider RYDEpool which charge 3% commission. Does RYDEpool allow PHV drivers to do unlimited hitch, if yes, then forget it too. I refuse to be treated like a PHV drivers which the riders doesn't do a simple "HI" to the driver and also don't bother to chat. One reason I hitch is for green and also get to know more people.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Leo72

[Yewheng]

Maybe can consider RYDEpool which charge 3% commission. Does RYDEpool allow PHV drivers to do unlimited hitch, if yes, then forget it too. I refuse to be treated like a PHV drivers which the riders doesn't do a simple "HI" to the driver and also don't bother to chat. One reason I hitch is for green and also get to know more people.

Yup Rydepool also allow phv drivers to do uimited hitch.. So well..

[Yewheng]

Thanks for sharing the trends. When you mention at the start "Actually to be fair" - fair to what or to whom?

Hitch = social car pooling. Has the definition changed?

I'm cool with the unlimited but NOT the 10% platform fees plus having poor social behavior like cancel rides and waits -

There's nothing wrong with helping folks with luggage and stuff, like we do for friends right? Then raise the collection when petrol is up for so long. Owners do not get incentives like PHV drivers do and are doing this for social and green reasons. So charge the platform fees up to 20% for the PHV drivers and NOT the Car owners, if i can add on to @yewheng idea of differentiation

 

Changing the rules is a breach of LTA rules and also the owners' trust. I still don't see the 10% platform fees for the invisible improvements they claimed have happenned! So what is hitch?

- has the definition changed?

- has the riders behaviour changed so that we have a more gracious society?

- has Grab informed the Owner the changes for all this?

- so no more social car pooling?

- Owners has become a minority now for hitch?

No more transparency. That is why I'm out of hitch

Those phv that do hitch ride are not counted towards incentives. So before the 10% platform fee (whatever grab call it). There are some phv drivers calculated and feel it is still more wu Hua to drive unlimited hitch due to there is no commission and could easily earn the extra 300 bucks plus minus for the highest tier.

 

Now with 10% maybe some still will do it, some may even go undertable.. Meaning when accept the hitch job.. Contact rider and say either he or rider will cancel and will still fetch them as per normal and collect cash ride. This is to avoid the 10% platform fee. There is a high tendency some phv drivers will do that.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Yewheng

[Leo72]

Yup Rydepool also allow phv drivers to do uimited hitch.. So well..

Maybe I'll still hitch but will be very selective on the hitch riders as well as the detour distance, Best will be less than 2km or less.

[Zxcvb]

Last time PHV drivers won't drive Grabhitch one. They chase the incentives which are quite lucrative. But recently many things have changed since Uber left the scene. Much less incentive for them, less riders as no promo codes. Sometimes need to travel very far to pick up rider.

 

So now these full time PHV starts doing Grabhitch. Can't really blame them. It's a problem created by the Grab itself. Like some ppl said, Grabhitch has lost that meaning.

[Mkl22]

Last time PHV drivers won't drive Grabhitch one. They chase the incentives which are quite lucrative. But recently many things have changed since Uber left the scene. Much less incentive for them, less riders as no promo codes. Sometimes need to travel very far to pick up rider.

 

So now these full time PHV starts doing Grabhitch. Can't really blame them. It's a problem created by the Grab itself. Like some ppl said, Grabhitch has lost that meaning.

 

grab could have restricted PHV not to do grabhitch.

[Yewheng]

grab could have restricted PHV not to do grabhitch.

Yes but grab did not do it and in fact do it the opposite way.. To promote it.. This is very wrong man.

[Airwaver]

How does PHV driver make money doing Hitch when supposedly, the fare is very low ?

 

Stack 4 different rider per trip, imagine per pax $15, 4 pax will be $60 already but of cos riders will