Kxbc Turbocharged June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 The problem is these 'authorities' juz collect fee but the developer is the one that has to employ the checker. And if anything goes wrong, the authorities role is to go after the checker. The rightful process is that the checking should be done by the authorities themselves, not outsourced to the lowest bidder by the developer. Same with fire compliance checking Damn screwed up system that needs to be changed not saying what you mentioned above is incorrect but it is the same practice in the commercial world eg privately hired auditors to audit a company and give an audit opinion, upon which forms part of your due diligence process when you invest in that said company. so if based on your suggestion, it will mean the auditor-general office has to perform the role of the private auditors. but in that same case, who audits the auditor-general office? Ultimately, the checker (whether private or govt) has to be certified, learned, experienced and dedicated to doing their job. The checking is done by humans and this human can either be employed by a private or govt organisation. It's all about the checker. In the company i work for, it is not always the lowest bidder will get the job. Other factors eg our prior experience with them, their experience in our industry etc are also part of the decision making process. ↡ Advertisement 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 When there are too many projects and not as many checkers this is the result. The planners are way too ambitious to build so many projects at the same time. They can penalise the developers they have appointed. They can also punish the ppl who are suppose to do the checks. The planners are also the ones who give the dateline and penalties for not meeting the dateline. May be it's time to relook the overly ambitious plans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Supersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 not saying what you mentioned above is incorrect but it is the same practice in the commercial world eg privately hired auditors to audit a company and give an audit opinion, upon which forms part of your due diligence process when you invest in that said company. so if based on your suggestion, it will mean the auditor-general office has to perform the role of the private auditors. but in that same case, who audits the auditor-general office? Ultimately, the checker (whether private or govt) has to be certified, learned, experienced and dedicated to doing their job. The checking is done by humans and this human can either be employed by a private or govt organisation. It's all about the checker. In the company i work for, it is not always the lowest bidder will get the job. Other factors eg our prior experience with them, their experience in our industry etc are also part of the decision making process. Big difference Lapses by auditor in the commercial world isn't a life and death matter Authorities are there to ensure public safety. Not for them to tai chi that public responsibility to the developer or contractor who in turn may juz outsource it to the lowest bidder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 not saying what you mentioned above is incorrect but it is the same practice in the commercial world eg privately hired auditors to audit a company and give an audit opinion, upon which forms part of your due diligence process when you invest in that said company. so if based on your suggestion, it will mean the auditor-general office has to perform the role of the private auditors. but in that same case, who audits the auditor-general office? Ultimately, the checker (whether private or govt) has to be certified, learned, experienced and dedicated to doing their job. The checking is done by humans and this human can either be employed by a private or govt organisation. It's all about the checker. In the company i work for, it is not always the lowest bidder will get the job. Other factors eg our prior experience with them, their experience in our industry etc are also part of the decision making process. While it is true that it is very difficult for authorities to check on all projects and outsourcing this role is the simplest way. Why then for electrical, water and gas, the authorities are still the last defence despite having so many QP? It is very common for RI to check each other works. This is very unhealthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Supersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 While it is true that it is very difficult for authorities to check on all projects and outsourcing this role is the simplest way. Why then for electrical, water and gas, the authorities are still the last defence despite having so many QP? It is very common for RI to check each other works. This is very unhealthy.Apparently the public's 'last defence' is an outsourced 3rd party engaged by the developer/contractor. This realli is ownself check ownself Liddat wat is the authorities role ah? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 Apparently the public's 'last defence' is an outsourced 3rd party engaged by the developer/contractor. This realli is ownself check ownself Liddat wat is the authorities role ah? Yes, who allow developer/contractor to outsource to a private individual leh? Who issue final permit leh? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othello Supersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 (edited) Yes, who allow developer/contractor to outsource to a private individual leh? Who issue final permit leh? he's the MD-cum-engineer lah Edited June 25, 2019 by Othello Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 From what I know, electrical, plumbing/sanitary, gas all required authorities to check/test before approval given. Why structural and fire safety no leh? When you have 2 private individuals checking each other works, then the penalty for failure to carry out such check should be jail and immediate cancellation of their licence. This is about life not just material losses. Yes, now not only his previous works should be checked, those he has certified and those checkers for his projects must be included. If say his previous work need recheck.. Many many ex bosses in various agencies will sweat.. usually these things is quietly quietly.. don't sabo people.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 Actually. Maybe such structural plans should be divided into two sets given to blinded checkers or inspectors. Both submit the answers to authorities. Calculations and answers the same, then considered pass. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kxbc Turbocharged June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 Actually. Maybe such structural plans should be divided into two sets given to blinded checkers or inspectors. Both submit the answers to authorities. Calculations and answers the same, then considered pass. good suggestion. feasible or not, don't know. but it's good. if 2 separate sets of submissions are ok, should be a pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angcheek Hypersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 more like a escape goat ........... the big boys go free ? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 If say his previous work need recheck.. Many many ex bosses in various agencies will sweat.. usually these things is quietly quietly.. don't sabo people.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othello Supersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 more like a escape goat ........... the big boys go free ?Abuden.. This is the whole point of delegation and subcontracting... Isn't it? :p 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonchia Supersonic June 25, 2019 Share June 25, 2019 The problem is these 'authorities' juz collect fee but the developer is the one that has to employ the checker. And if anything goes wrong, the authorities role is to go after the checker. The rightful process is that the checking should be done by the authorities themselves, not outsourced to the lowest bidder by the developer. Same with fire compliance checking Damn screwed up system that needs to be changed Yes totally agree! When we outsource to 3rd party. It meant all the repetitive tasks, menial task, backbreaking tasks, non-strategic tasks have "ka Gia" junior staff or external to handle. But that doesn't meant we should relinquish our duty to check on quality of work done. I remember someone ever said ," We can outsource tasks to 3rd party, but we cannot outsource our responsibility." The culture of passing the buck must change or else we will be really in deep shit. Actually. Maybe such structural plans should be divided into two sets given to blinded checkers or inspectors. Both submit the answers to authorities. Calculations and answers the same, then considered pass. Yes just like in medical check-up result. Sometimes it's good to get a 2nd opinion. Having too much trust to one party may have lapses. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Hypersonic June 26, 2019 Share June 26, 2019 Construction Co is following garment policy. Ownself check Ownself Oh well ..... . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoobie Supercharged June 26, 2019 Share June 26, 2019 Yes totally agree! When we outsource to 3rd party. It meant all the repetitive tasks, menial task, backbreaking tasks, non-strategic tasks have "ka Gia" junior staff or external to handle. But that doesn't meant we should relinquish our duty to check on quality of work done. I remember someone ever said ," We can outsource tasks to 3rd party, but we cannot outsource our responsibility." The culture of passing the buck must change or else we will be really in deep shit. Yes just like in medical check-up result. Sometimes it's good to get a 2nd opinion. Having too much trust to one party may have lapses. unfortunately the whole world especially singapore is rapidly adopting the "outsourcing" approach.. just like HR, employees are outsourced too.. Yes totally agree! When we outsource to 3rd party. It meant all the repetitive tasks, menial task, backbreaking tasks, non-strategic tasks have "ka Gia" junior staff or external to handle. But that doesn't meant we should relinquish our duty to check on quality of work done. I remember someone ever said ," We can outsource tasks to 3rd party, but we cannot outsource our responsibility." The culture of passing the buck must change or else we will be really in deep shit. Yes just like in medical check-up result. Sometimes it's good to get a 2nd opinion. Having too much trust to one party may have lapses. unfortunately the whole world especially singapore is rapidly adopting the "outsourcing" approach.. just like HR, employees are outsourced too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Supersonic June 26, 2019 Share June 26, 2019 unfortunately the whole world especially singapore is rapidly adopting the "outsourcing" approach.. just like HR, employees are outsourced too.. unfortunately the whole world especially singapore is rapidly adopting the "outsourcing" approach.. just like HR, employees are outsourced too.. The disturbing trend here is that our authorities are outsourcing their 'last defence' role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoobie Supercharged June 26, 2019 Share June 26, 2019 The disturbing trend here is that our authorities are outsourcing their 'last defence' role what to do.. there is no other way that they can easily allow them to point finger when things go south.. funny that i don't see people publicly speaking up against outsourcing and questioning the sustainability of it.. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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