Victor68 Turbocharged July 5, 2019 Share July 5, 2019 I am not a sadist but this is amounting to murder. The sentence is not appropriate and does not deter future recurrence. If we need to review the law, let's do it now. If you made a mistake in your calculation, there is still a checker. In this case, you didn't do anything and knowing it cause lives. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Supersonic July 5, 2019 Share July 5, 2019 The authorities can still outsource but it has to come under their control and employment. Developers/contractors pay a fixed fee to the authorities who will then appoint a checker from their own panel of accredited checkers to do a proper check The current system of outsourcing the appointment of the checker to the party that's it is supposed to be checking against is simply ridiculous Sort of like the awarding of every "elected president" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 WTF, only $10K fine??? [mad] PIE viaduct collapse: Builder Or Kim Peow Contractors fined for carrying out unapproved building works SINGAPORE: The builder of a viaduct that collapsed mid-construction, killing one worker and injuring 10 others, was fined S$10,000 on Tuesday (Jul 30). Or Kim Peow Contractors went ahead with construction of a Pan Island Expressway (PIE) viaduct even though it had not gained approval for the proposed building works. Executive director Or Lay Huat Daniel pleaded guilty on behalf of the company to one charge under the Building Control Act for carrying out works without approval. Another related charge under the act was taken into consideration for sentencing. The court heard that Or Kim Peow Contractors was awarded a contract by the Land Transport Authority (LTA) in November 2015 to design and build a westbound viaduct from Tampines Expressway to the PIE and Upper Changi Road East. Working on the project were: The company's project director Allen Yee Chee Keong, who supervised project manager Andy Chang Shih Shiung and construction manager Peter Loh; project engineer Wong Kiew Hai; and Robert Arianto Tjandra from CPG Consultants, who was appointed as the qualified person to prepare the plans of the building works for the project. They worked on the viaduct which was to be about 1.8km long and consisted of eight flyovers - monolithic structures supported by columns and with expansion joints at each end of the flyover. The design included permanent corbels - short reinforced concrete projections located at expansion joints to support the ends of flyovers and transfer parts of the vehicular loads to independent columns. Tjandra submitted several applications to the Building and Construction Authority (BCA) for the approval of plans for building works between Nov 2016 and Jun 2017. However, proposed building works for one such application deviated from the approved plans. Strengthening works to a permanent corbel at one of the viaduct piers, Pier 36, had not been approved, and the company was aware of this. At around 3.30am on Jul 14, 2017, temporary structures at two piers of the viaduct gave way, and formwork supporting the concrete deck slab of the viaduct collapsed, killing one construction worker and injuring 10 others. Investigations by the BCA showed that the permanent corbel at pier 36 was inadequate. Proposed building works deviated from the approved plans, and the builder was aware it did not gain the necessary approvals for the change before construction. Deputy Public Prosecutor Yang Ziliang asked for a fine of at least S$10,000, which defence lawyer Deya Shankar Dubey agreed with. The maximum penalty for carrying out unapproved building works is a fine of S$200,000, a two-year jail term, or both. The company faces a third charge under the Workplace Safety and Health Act pertaining to the death of a worker and the injuries of 10 others. It will be contesting the charge in a trial that opens on Thursday. The accredited checker in charge of the project was sentenced to six months' jail earlier this month. Other parties involved are set to claim trial. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH1667 Hypersonic July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 WTF, only $10K fine??? PIE viaduct collapse: Builder Or Kim Peow Contractors fined for carrying out unapproved building works SINGAPORE: The builder of a viaduct that collapsed mid-construction, killing one worker and injuring 10 others, was fined S$10,000 on Tuesday (Jul 30). Or Kim Peow Contractors went ahead with construction of a Pan Island Expressway (PIE) viaduct even though it had not gained approval for the proposed building works. Executive director Or Lay Huat Daniel pleaded guilty on behalf of the company to one charge under the Building Control Act for carrying out works without approval. Another related charge under the act was taken into consideration for sentencing. The court heard that Or Kim Peow Contractors was awarded a contract by the Land Transport Authority (LTA) in November 2015 to design and build a westbound viaduct from Tampines Expressway to the PIE and Upper Changi Road East. Working on the project were: The company's project director Allen Yee Chee Keong, who supervised project manager Andy Chang Shih Shiung and construction manager Peter Loh; project engineer Wong Kiew Hai; and Robert Arianto Tjandra from CPG Consultants, who was appointed as the qualified person to prepare the plans of the building works for the project. They worked on the viaduct which was to be about 1.8km long and consisted of eight flyovers - monolithic structures supported by columns and with expansion joints at each end of the flyover. The design included permanent corbels - short reinforced concrete projections located at expansion joints to support the ends of flyovers and transfer parts of the vehicular loads to independent columns. Tjandra submitted several applications to the Building and Construction Authority (BCA) for the approval of plans for building works between Nov 2016 and Jun 2017. However, proposed building works for one such application deviated from the approved plans. Strengthening works to a permanent corbel at one of the viaduct piers, Pier 36, had not been approved, and the company was aware of this. At around 3.30am on Jul 14, 2017, temporary structures at two piers of the viaduct gave way, and formwork supporting the concrete deck slab of the viaduct collapsed, killing one construction worker and injuring 10 others. Investigations by the BCA showed that the permanent corbel at pier 36 was inadequate. Proposed building works deviated from the approved plans, and the builder was aware it did not gain the necessary approvals for the change before construction. Deputy Public Prosecutor Yang Ziliang asked for a fine of at least S$10,000, which defence lawyer Deya Shankar Dubey agreed with. The maximum penalty for carrying out unapproved building works is a fine of S$200,000, a two-year jail term, or both. The company faces a third charge under the Workplace Safety and Health Act pertaining to the death of a worker and the injuries of 10 others. It will be contesting the charge in a trial that opens on Thursday. The accredited checker in charge of the project was sentenced to six months' jail earlier this month. Other parties involved are set to claim trial. Max is $200,000 and 2 years jail, ' only ' one death , so cannot fine too much you know. really wonder what kind signal are they trying to send?? KNN. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wind30 Turbocharged July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 (edited) This is totally crazy... another sign that something is really wrong with our legal system... On closer read, the unapproved work is something that could have prevented the collapse?? Or was it something that caused the collapse??? Edited July 30, 2019 by Wind30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 Er, there is a trial opening on Thursday for the death of 1 worker and injuries to 10 others under Workplace Safety and Health Act. So this fine is about unauthorised/unapproved work which carries max $200k and/or 2 years jail. Different charges ya. Safe ride Cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 Er, there is a trial opening on Thursday for the death of 1 worker and injuries to 10 others under Workplace Safety and Health Act. So this fine is about unauthorised/unapproved work which carries max $200k and/or 2 years jail. Different charges ya. Safe ride Cheers Lucky you got explainIf not I also see already fed up 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 This is totally crazy... another sign that something is really wrong with our legal system... On closer read, the unapproved work is something that could have prevented the collapse?? Or was it something that caused the collapse??? Investigations by the BCA showed that the permanent corbel at pier 36 was inadequate. Proposed building works deviated from the approved plans, and the builder was aware it did not gain the necessary approvals for the change before construction. This paragraph very much sum up everything. There was a deviation from the approved building plan summited to BCA (in relation to inadequate permanent corbels at pier 36), yet OKP went ahead with the building works, without getting necessary approval from BCA. And that led to the collapse of that particular section of the flyover. Er, there is a trial opening on Thursday for the death of 1 worker and injuries to 10 others under Workplace Safety and Health Act. So this fine is about unauthorised/unapproved work which carries max $200k and/or 2 years jail. Different charges ya. Safe ride Cheers Regardless of any other pending charges, the penalty dished out for this particular offense (carrying out unapproved building works) should have taken into consideration of the severity of the accident it lead to (fatality & multiple injuries), as well as referencing the past offenses the builder (OKP) faced. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrios Turbocharged July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 (edited) Lucky you got explain If not I also see already fed up Still...for a case with such earth shattering consequences..it is unusually light...considering it can go up to 200k and 2 years jail.. Edited July 31, 2019 by Kyrios Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 Still...for a case with such earth shattering consequences..it is unusually light...considering it can go up to 200k and 2 years jail..I didn’t read I only see the headline My impression is they settle the small thing first. Big thing haven’t settle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 WTF, only $10K fine??? [mad] not even a month paid of some of the senior member of the company. this is a real joke.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 (edited) Hmm...think its a legality issue here that death and injuries come under Workplace Safety and Health Act? Otherwise for the same incident, death and injuries will be charged twice? I would be more comfortable for a death sentence for the entire team of senior management including those in LTA. For that matter, the checker as well. Its not a joking matter. 1 died and 10 injured. Must change law. Every one end with non negotiable death sentence. Edited July 31, 2019 by PSP415 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 (edited) You guys want heads to roll but who's going to pick up this sh!t? Even if that happens that pile of rubble isnt going to clear by itself. How much of the tax payers' resources has already poured into the project? Who's going to pick up this sh!t and finish it up? Nobody will dare cos heads will roll if they c0ck up. You get what I mean? If LTA crippled this contractor financially and putting the company's key ppl in jail, what's next? Things will go back to norm by itself, is it? Talk is cheap. Edited July 31, 2019 by Watwheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 (edited) You guys want heads to roll but who's going to pick up this sh!t? Even if that happens that pile of rubble isnt going to clear by itself. How much of the tax payers' resources has already poured into the project? Who's going to pick up this sh!t and finish it up? Nobody will dare cos heads will roll if they c0ck up. You get what I mean? If LTA crippled this contractor financially and putting company key ppl in jail, what's next? Thing will go back to norm by itself, is it? Talk is cheap. Er...i think most of us expect maximum fine of $200k and person irresponsible to sit inside chalet for 2 years with no discounts given for good behaviour and public holidays. Heads will start rolling after law changed to include death sentence. For now, they can keep their heads on and clear up the sxxx. Just yada-ing Safe ride Cheers Edited July 31, 2019 by PSP415 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 (edited) Construction is high risk. No doubts about that. What is seen on the ground may not be able to see on paper or plans. I believe that's why they made last minute changes. Maybe time isnt on their side. Instead of waiting for approval they took the risk. Obviously it didnt pay off and it was too late. Just my 2 cents. If LTA go all out for blood or do a witch hunt it will only create more issues for them. Edited July 31, 2019 by Watwheels 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 Construction is high risk. No doubts about that. What is seen on the ground may not be able to see on paper or plans. I believe that's why they made last minute changes. Maybe time isnt on their side. Instead of waiting for approval they took the risk. Obviously it didnt pay off and it was too late.Yes, this is possible. They gambled and lost 1 life, may have been much more lives if this had not happened. Must learn lesson. They not green horns or ears. A strong deterrent to taking matters into own hands, risk assessments may not have been high priority, all these cannot be lightly ignored. But i understand your pov as there may be many other factors not known to laymen. Hopefully lessons are learnt and mistakes minimised. That worker's life must not be in vain. His death may have prevented more deaths as there are immediate action to investigate cause of accident. Safe ride Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 You guys want heads to roll but who's going to pick up this sh!t? Even if that happens that pile of rubble isnt going to clear by itself. How much of the tax payers' resources has already poured into the project? Who's going to pick up this sh!t and finish it up? Nobody will dare cos heads will roll if they c0ck up. You get what I mean? If LTA crippled this contractor financially and putting the company's key ppl in jail, what's next? Things will go back to norm by itself, is it? Talk is cheap. Well, so forgive and forget is better? What is the deterrence? It is about life and death 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wind30 Turbocharged July 31, 2019 Share July 31, 2019 You guys want heads to roll but who's going to pick up this sh!t? Even if that happens that pile of rubble isnt going to clear by itself. How much of the tax payers' resources has already poured into the project? Who's going to pick up this sh!t and finish it up? Nobody will dare cos heads will roll if they c0ck up. You get what I mean? If LTA crippled this contractor financially and putting the company's key ppl in jail, what's next? Things will go back to norm by itself, is it? Talk is cheap. ??? Of course the taxpayers money will pick up the sh!t and finish it up. U go easy on the first guy and u end up with sh!t everywhere. Then it is even worse for taxpayers... I thought this rationale is clear as day ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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