Lorry altercation with cyclist at Pasir Ris

[Mercury1]

The cyclist turning right can enter the right lane I think, but this cyclist is reckless, don't signal, don't follow traffic rules. He expect us to read his mind and get pissed off when no one know wtf he is doing. (That said the cam car should have undertook him from the right)

 

Then best go and block traffic as and when he likes, I imagine is someone rear ended the cam car or yellow box was blocked holding up 10's of other cars on the main road the cyclist will feel it's okay cause he was aggrieved and probably just cycle away.

 

If a car was a weapon and the driver swapped his car for a gun at that instance would these guys still be trying to annoy them in said fashion hrmm 

 

Asians are usually more tolerant I can see alot of expats like these take advantage (not the ones who follow the law of course), in the US / London they would probably fight on the street  especially using a bicycle to block all the traffic or just get chased down.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6A3WB89tA

 

 

In the top video, the cyclist think he had all the right to cycle on the right lane as he was about to turn right in the next junction. This is a problem created by the authority as the authority clarify whether cyclist turning right should cycle on the left lane and use the pedestrian crossing to cross the junction or they're allow to cycle on the right lane to turn right.

 

[Enye]

don’t understand how a stronger cyclist can assist a weaker one by cycling abreast....

 

give words of encouragement or what?

 

 

[Guest]

Reading some of the comments on the video, it is really disheartening to see some people blatantly cheering for the lorry driver or exclaiming that they would've done the same or worse...

 

No doubt the rider's behavior was uncalled for and certainly deserves to be punished for breaking the lorry's side mirror. Also, none of us really know what is the state of mind of the lorry driver, so no one can really judge who was wrong or right here.

 

As a cyclist myself, I usually ride single file, unless in a really huge group upwards of 10. But even with 2-3 cyclists, sometimes it also requires me to ride abreast the lane in a two lane road due to circumstances, such as split roads up ahead, or assisting a weaker cyclist. I'm sure many motorists are familiar with the Dunearn Rd exit on PIE (Tuas), and even if you're a lane 3 or 4 driver, you will have to filter to lane 1, road hog a little bit just to make it to the exit. Same goes for cycling, except firstly we try to plan around these situations so we do not encounter them (riding midnight or early morning, avoiding these roads etc.), or we try to be as gracious as possible and get out of that situation ASAP. Of course, life does not always go as planned and you just have to 'harden your scalp' like the Chinese saying, and deal with the uncertain.

 

As a driver, I understand the frustration of getting stuck behind cyclists in a congested road, driving 20-30 km/h. But if you look at the broader picture, overtaking the cyclist takes only a few seconds to 2 minutes tops even if you're a lousy driver. Compared to your half hour journey perhaps, the inconvenience is really negligible. And it is really a life we are talking about here, imagine these people to be your relatives or even your kids in the future.

 

After all, my first post on MCF is not out to take sides on the lorry and cyclist saga. Nobody can really fully comprehend the situation others are in and why they do certain things. But above are just some examples, and hopefully more motorists can be gracious about the situation, and not let the actions of a few bad cyclists lead to prejudice of others innocent ones. Motorists and cyclists both can practice gracefulness and be patient to each other.

 

Peace 

I give you a 5 points dislike as I thing the cyclist you want to defend got nothing good to mention, your friend?

Edited December 26, 2018 by fisheryak

[SuPerBoRed]

Based on these three facts, I feel that as drivers, we can afford to give way. Surely it doesn’t take more than a few seconds to overtake?

 

i can give way to cyclists...  but this guy was insisting on his right of way when he could be more considerate and just move behind his friend. And he started it!!!  i am not gonna say 100% that i can still bottle it if it happened to me.

[Mkl22]

Reading some of the comments on the video, it is really disheartening to see some people blatantly cheering for the lorry driver or exclaiming that they would've done the same or worse...

 

No doubt the rider's behavior was uncalled for and certainly deserves to be punished for breaking the lorry's side mirror. Also, none of us really know what is the state of mind of the lorry driver, so no one can really judge who was wrong or right here.

 

As a cyclist myself, I usually ride single file, unless in a really huge group upwards of 10. But even with 2-3 cyclists, sometimes it also requires me to ride abreast the lane in a two lane road due to circumstances, such as split roads up ahead, or assisting a weaker cyclist. I'm sure many motorists are familiar with the Dunearn Rd exit on PIE (Tuas), and even if you're a lane 3 or 4 driver, you will have to filter to lane 1, road hog a little bit just to make it to the exit. Same goes for cycling, except firstly we try to plan around these situations so we do not encounter them (riding midnight or early morning, avoiding these roads etc.), or we try to be as gracious as possible and get out of that situation ASAP. Of course, life does not always go as planned and you just have to 'harden your scalp' like the Chinese saying, and deal with the uncertain.

 

As a driver, I understand the frustration of getting stuck behind cyclists in a congested road, driving 20-30 km/h. But if you look at the broader picture, overtaking the cyclist takes only a few seconds to 2 minutes tops even if you're a lousy driver. Compared to your half hour journey perhaps, the inconvenience is really negligible. And it is really a life we are talking about here, imagine these people to be your relatives or even your kids in the future.

 

After all, my first post on MCF is not out to take sides on the lorry and cyclist saga. Nobody can really fully comprehend the situation others are in and why they do certain things. But above are just some examples, and hopefully more motorists can be gracious about the situation, and not let the actions of a few bad cyclists lead to prejudice of others innocent ones. Motorists and cyclists both can practice gracefulness and be patient to each other.

 

Peace 

 

what the cyclist did prior to him punching the mirror was no different to those playing jam brake and blocking you trying to over take on the road just because you horned him.

[Nzy]

It's a fact that the roadie is an aggressor, having thrown the first punch.

 

It's yet to be proven that the lorry driver intentionally swerved to hit the roadie. It could be an instinctive swerve due to shock.

 

Yeah. Could be. He probably had the same train of thoughts. That's why his instinctive reaction was about 2s when a usual human reaction time is 0.3s.

 

However, can the cyclist also claim instinctive reaction when he felt something coming up very near him to swing his arm out to shield himself?

Edited December 26, 2018 by Nzy

[Kopites]

Reading some of the comments on the video, it is really disheartening to see some people blatantly cheering for the lorry driver or exclaiming that they would've done the same or worse...

 

No doubt the rider's behavior was uncalled for and certainly deserves to be punished for breaking the lorry's side mirror. Also, none of us really know what is the state of mind of the lorry driver, so no one can really judge who was wrong or right here.

 

As a cyclist myself, I usually ride single file, unless in a really huge group upwards of 10. But even with 2-3 cyclists, sometimes it also requires me to ride abreast the lane in a two lane road due to circumstances, such as split roads up ahead, or assisting a weaker cyclist. I'm sure many motorists are familiar with the Dunearn Rd exit on PIE (Tuas), and even if you're a lane 3 or 4 driver, you will have to filter to lane 1, road hog a little bit just to make it to the exit. Same goes for cycling, except firstly we try to plan around these situations so we do not encounter them (riding midnight or early morning, avoiding these roads etc.), or we try to be as gracious as possible and get out of that situation ASAP. Of course, life does not always go as planned and you just have to 'harden your scalp' like the Chinese saying, and deal with the uncertain.

 

As a driver, I understand the frustration of getting stuck behind cyclists in a congested road, driving 20-30 km/h. But if you look at the broader picture, overtaking the cyclist takes only a few seconds to 2 minutes tops even if you're a lousy driver. Compared to your half hour journey perhaps, the inconvenience is really negligible. And it is really a life we are talking about here, imagine these people to be your relatives or even your kids in the future.

 

After all, my first post on MCF is not out to take sides on the lorry and cyclist saga. Nobody can really fully comprehend the situation others are in and why they do certain things. But above are just some examples, and hopefully more motorists can be gracious about the situation, and not let the actions of a few bad cyclists lead to prejudice of others innocent ones. Motorists and cyclists both can practice gracefulness and be patient to each other.

 

Peace

So in your view the cyclist upon/after hitting at the side mirror would pull over stop, offer apology and compensate the lorry driver?

 

 

[Nzy]

In the top video, the cyclist think he had all the right to cycle on the right lane as he was about to turn right in the next junction. This is a problem created by the authority as the authority clarify whether cyclist turning right should cycle on the left lane and use the pedestrian crossing to cross the junction or they're allow to cycle on the right lane to turn right.

 

It has been clarified many times. The cyclists have to cycle as left as possible. So when going straight, cyclist cycle on the left most lane that allows them to go straight. If turning right, cycle on the left most lane that allows them to turn right. However, they can also choose to use the pedestrian crossing.

[Carbon82]

4 days on, 35 pages, 680+ posts and still counting (with no sign of slowing down), @radx you gonna prepare to start part 2, 3, 4 etc. of this thread every week or fortnight I guess...

 

My take?

 

[RadX]

4 days on, 35 pages, 680+ posts and still counting (with no sign of slowing down), @radx you gonna prepare to start part 2, 3, 4 etc. of this thread every week or fortnight I guess...

 

My take?

 

Will die down

 

But the 2 martyrs will carry on as nauseum in other thread with bigoted perspectives

 

I choose to just watch

[SuPerBoRed]

It has been clarified many times. The cyclists have to cycle as left as possible. So when going straight, cyclist cycle on the left most lane that allows them to go straight. If turning right, cycle on the left most lane that allows them to turn right. However, they can also choose to use the pedestrian crossing.

 

please also include that cyclist are supposed to DISMOUNT if they use pedestrian crossing...  and if you could.. show me a video of one doing it in real life ...   coz i can show you 1000 on the contrary for every one you show here

[Nzy]

the crux of the issue is who started it.

 

Cyclist also controlling something that can kill....  i recall a case of a delivery guy killing an old pedestrian.

i also can say if the same cyclist riding on the pavement with an old uncle slowly walking on the road infront of him.. he will throw his water bottle at him also and eventually kill him.

 

There is no point in talking about hypothetical situation...cyclist hit lorry.. .lorry driver reacted ... lorry driver more at fault becoz he reacted when he driving a lorry that can kill?

 

If i follow your train of thought... the lorry driver will not have reacted that way if that guy never hit his lorry in the first place right?

 

According to the lorry driver... he claims that he thought he hit the cab on the right and hence swerved left... i rather give him the benefit of the doubt then to bother defending a guy who started it all 

 

I feel both lorry driver and cyclist doesn't need defending. Look at the comments when a car swerves instinctively to avoid an accident but causes another accident instead. People start commenting the car shouldn't swerve and all that. Now a lorry driver swerved and hit a cyclist and everyone feels its right that he does it out of instinct. 

[Kopites]

you talk so much .. i just ask you... how difficult was it for the cyclist to move behind his friend and let the lorry pass?

 

its about being considerate for the rest of the road users... dont expect people to treat you graciously if you dont treat others the same way ...

That is why I too condemn this idiot piggy cyclist with brain shaped like cashew nut.

 

Consequences of him hitting the side mirror might result in accident to other innocent road user. They just moved off from traff8c junction. It might cause chain accidents if swerve to the right or lorry e break.

[Nzy]

please also include that cyclist are supposed to DISMOUNT if they use pedestrian crossing...  and if you could.. show me a video of one doing it in real life ...   coz i can show you 1000 on the contrary for every one you show here

 

There is no need to dismount. LTA has clarified already. Btw, most people online seems to want cyclists to dismount when crossing and I used to dismount all the time in the past before LTA allowed people to ride across. However, there have been a few occasions when drivers honked or showed their displeasure when i dismounted and pushed my bicycle across instead of quickly riding across.

[Othello]

 

Did he really stop the lorry from overtaking? Or was he hinting to the lorry that he should change lanes to overtake instead of squeezing past? I don't see the cyclist swinging to the next lane to ensure the lorry cannot overtake. I'm sure if the lorry just switched lanes just like the cam car, he would have been infront of the cyclists in seconds.

 

change lanes to overtake ?? 

 

so now you cyclists want more than 1.5m ? you want the whole lane to yourselves ? 

 

 

I thought (since you always like to bring up the Act) that cyclists are supposed to keep to the left as possible ? 

 

Its only one van. After the van are many other vehicles leh .... 

[Kopites]

The cyclist turning right can enter the right lane I think, but this cyclist is reckless, don't signal, don't follow traffic rules. He expect us to read his mind and get pissed off when no one know wtf he is doing. (That said the cam car should have undertook him from the right)

 

Then best go and block traffic as and when he likes, I imagine is someone rear ended the cam car or yellow box was blocked holding up 10's of other cars on the main road the cyclist will feel it's okay cause he was aggrieved and probably just cycle away.

 

If a car was a weapon and the driver swapped his car for a gun at that instance would these guys still be trying to annoy them in said fashion hrmm

 

Asians are usually more tolerant I can see alot of expats like these take advantage (not the ones who follow the law of course), in the US / London they would probably fight on the street especially using a bicycle to block all the traffic or just get chased down.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6A3WB89tA

I am sure that China lorry driver has no intention to hit the cyclist.

 

Otherwise cyclist piggy would be death by now..go goggle how China people react when involve in a road accident.

[SuPerBoRed]

I feel both lorry driver and cyclist doesn't need defending. Look at the comments when a car swerves instinctively to avoid an accident but causes another accident instead. People start commenting the car shouldn't swerve and all that. Now a lorry driver swerved and hit a cyclist and everyone feels its right that he does it out of instinct. 

 

im not defending him... im giving him benefit of the doubt.. where as you ... already decided before the singapore courts and police investigation that the lorry driver is lying... 

 

for the record... much earlier... when the news first broke... i was already hoping for the news to die down.. becoz i felt at first watch of the video.. it was intentional on the part of the lorry driver. but much as i think it was stretched the reason he gave the papers.. i do think as well it was plausible. 

[Theoldjaffa]

Yeah. Could be. He probably had the same train of thoughts. That's why his instinctive reaction was about 2s when a usual human reaction time is 0.3s.

 

However, can the cyclist also claim instinctive reaction when he felt something coming up very near him to swing his arm out to shield himself?

It's against logic for a cyclist to use his arm to shield himself from something that's coming from the back.

 

Unless it's in the movies.