Google suspends business with Huawei

[Yeshe]

For anyone eagerly anticipating the release of Huawei's (faster) new mobile operating systemâthe Android replacement dubbed HongMengâthe update from company chairman Liang Hua on Friday (July 12) will have come as a major disappointment.

 

"We haven't decided yet if HongMeng can be developed as a smartphone operating system in the future," Liang told reporters in Shenzhen, although he added this might change if the U.S. blacklisting took another turn and Google's full-fat Android OS fell off the table once againâthe company has recently secured a partial reprieve from the U.S. on blanket supply chain restrictions.

 

Liang also echoed the comments from Huawei's CEO Ren Zhengfei, who recently told France's Le Point that "HongMeng is not designed for phones as everyone thinks. We didn't develop the OS to replace Googleâand if Google does withdraw its OS from Huawei, we will need to start building an ecosystem because we don't have a clear plan yet."

 

Somewhat confusingly, Richard YuâCEO of Huawei's consumer businessâhad told an audience in China back in May that a new OS "would be available in the fall of this year and at the latest next spring." Yu said that the OS "had been in the works since 2012, would be "compatible with all Android applications and web applications," and, "running performance would be improved by more than 60%."

 

The inticing speed of HongMeng hit a chord, and headlines around the world promised an exciting superfast alternative OS could be here in time to accompany the Mate 30 launch later in the year. But when Le Point asked Ren whether HongMeng would be faster than Android, Huawei's CEO acknowledged that the company "hasn't done a comparison yet," although he added, "it's likely."

 

Huawei had also reached out publicly to the developer community, offering to help them reach the more than 350 million Huawei devices and 270 million active monthly AppGallery users by "providing you with full support to help you publish your App into AppGallery... it is an invitation to join "our 560k developer' community for free, in our Huawei Developer portal."

 

And so consumers and analysts can now be forgiven for being confused. "This chain of statements doesnât make any sense" complained Huawei Central, "we have to wait until more solid development in this story come out." It does now seem that reports from a few weeks ago suggesting the new OS is far from ready are ringing true.

 

That said, it is likely Huawei will not be shutting down any development teams anytime soon. "The fact that such an extreme stance was taken by the U.S. means that Huawei needs to invest in its alternate OS," Professor Michael Jacobides from the London Business School told me. "Huawei cannot rely on such a whimsical and dangerously erratic U.S. administration. It would be foolhardy for Chinese firms and Huawei in particular not to prepare a 'Plan B'."

 

Earlier this week, U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross confirmed the blacklist reprieve for Huawei and its U.S. supply chain signaled by President Trump at the G20 summit in Osaka last month. Ross announced at a departmental event in Washington that âto implement the presidentâs G20 summit directive two weeks ago, Commerce will issue licenses where there is no threat to U.S. national security."

 

Liang told reporters that the U.S. should go further, that "adding Huawei to the Entity List was neither justified nor fair. It is not enough to ease restrictions on some U.S. suppliers. We should be removed from the list entirely." That said, he also announced that despite the U.S. blacklisting, revenues for the first half of the year were upâalbeit no figures were given, and so no detailed analysis of that claim is possible.

 

So, how to interpret the latest news from Shenzhen? Huawei has clearly been relying on a blacklist backtrack from the U.S., on the restrictions being lifted from the consumer business, on access to Google and Facebook and ARM and Intel and others remaining in place. And the company's leadership has now broadly admitted as much.

 

Now that this is out in the open, the Chinese telecoms giant will be very hopeful that there is not another change of heart in the U.S., it is unlikely the excitement about a new, lightning-fast mobile OS can be created as easily all over again.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoff.../#77b5aaab7449

Commercial strategy. even if they have something under their sleeve, they have to give face to Google since trump has loosen the grip abit.

[Ash2017]

For anyone eagerly anticipating the release of Huawei's (faster) new mobile operating systemâthe Android replacement dubbed HongMengâthe update from company chairman Liang Hua on Friday (July 12) will have come as a major disappointment.

 

"We haven't decided yet if HongMeng can be developed as a smartphone operating system in the future," Liang told reporters in Shenzhen, although he added this might change if the U.S. blacklisting took another turn and Google's full-fat Android OS fell off the table once againâthe company has recently secured a partial reprieve from the U.S. on blanket supply chain restrictions.

 

Liang also echoed the comments from Huawei's CEO Ren Zhengfei, who recently told France's Le Point that "HongMeng is not designed for phones as everyone thinks. We didn't develop the OS to replace Googleâand if Google does withdraw its OS from Huawei, we will need to start building an ecosystem because we don't have a clear plan yet."

 

Somewhat confusingly, Richard YuâCEO of Huawei's consumer businessâhad told an audience in China back in May that a new OS "would be available in the fall of this year and at the latest next spring." Yu said that the OS "had been in the works since 2012, would be "compatible with all Android applications and web applications," and, "running performance would be improved by more than 60%."

 

The inticing speed of HongMeng hit a chord, and headlines around the world promised an exciting superfast alternative OS could be here in time to accompany the Mate 30 launch later in the year. But when Le Point asked Ren whether HongMeng would be faster than Android, Huawei's CEO acknowledged that the company "hasn't done a comparison yet," although he added, "it's likely."

 

Huawei had also reached out publicly to the developer community, offering to help them reach the more than 350 million Huawei devices and 270 million active monthly AppGallery users by "providing you with full support to help you publish your App into AppGallery... it is an invitation to join "our 560k developer' community for free, in our Huawei Developer portal."

 

And so consumers and analysts can now be forgiven for being confused. "This chain of statements doesnât make any sense" complained Huawei Central, "we have to wait until more solid development in this story come out." It does now seem that reports from a few weeks ago suggesting the new OS is far from ready are ringing true.

 

That said, it is likely Huawei will not be shutting down any development teams anytime soon. "The fact that such an extreme stance was taken by the U.S. means that Huawei needs to invest in its alternate OS," Professor Michael Jacobides from the London Business School told me. "Huawei cannot rely on such a whimsical and dangerously erratic U.S. administration. It would be foolhardy for Chinese firms and Huawei in particular not to prepare a 'Plan B'."

 

Earlier this week, U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross confirmed the blacklist reprieve for Huawei and its U.S. supply chain signaled by President Trump at the G20 summit in Osaka last month. Ross announced at a departmental event in Washington that âto implement the presidentâs G20 summit directive two weeks ago, Commerce will issue licenses where there is no threat to U.S. national security."

 

Liang told reporters that the U.S. should go further, that "adding Huawei to the Entity List was neither justified nor fair. It is not enough to ease restrictions on some U.S. suppliers. We should be removed from the list entirely." That said, he also announced that despite the U.S. blacklisting, revenues for the first half of the year were upâalbeit no figures were given, and so no detailed analysis of that claim is possible.

 

So, how to interpret the latest news from Shenzhen? Huawei has clearly been relying on a blacklist backtrack from the U.S., on the restrictions being lifted from the consumer business, on access to Google and Facebook and ARM and Intel and others remaining in place. And the company's leadership has now broadly admitted as much.

 

Now that this is out in the open, the Chinese telecoms giant will be very hopeful that there is not another change of heart in the U.S., it is unlikely the excitement about a new, lightning-fast mobile OS can be created as easily all over again.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoff.../#77b5aaab7449

We never know the truth.

 

Is this to call my bluff?

 

Is this the way to give USA a less sense of threat?

 

Is is the way giving bullets to Google assertion to congress that android needs to be Huawei to remain dominant player?

 

Or is there some new development?

 

 

 

Like cars many upgrades are already available but why manufacturers only make a few available each time is all do to with prolonging the life of the product and their profitability.

[Kb27]

Not surprising, hongmeng is just a marketing tool, a political tool.

Not ready for the big time.

[Playtime]

We never know the truth.

 

Is this to call my bluff?

 

Is this the way to give USA a less sense of threat?

 

Is is the way giving bullets to Google assertion to congress that android needs to be Huawei to remain dominant player?

 

Or is there some new development?

 

 

 

Like cars many upgrades are already available but why manufacturers only make a few available each time is all do to with prolonging the life of the product and their profitability.

 

 

hard to tell, the CEO seems to have a genuine desire to avoid politics and is trying very hard to steer an independent commercial path.

who knows he may get fixed by the ccp in order to bring huawei more in control of ccp hawks. he surely knows that huawei is just collateral damage in the bigger trade talks game.

[Victor68]

Not surprising, hongmeng is just a marketing tool, a political tool.

Not ready for the big time.

My guess is, it is not ready but i think it is something they will have to get it ready now or future. You cannot be a sitting duck at people marcy. Same goes to Samsung and nokia and whoever want to be in the market.

[Beregond]

My guess is, it is not ready but i think it is something they will have to get it ready now or future. You cannot be a sitting duck at people marcy. Same goes to Samsung and nokia and whoever want to be in the market.

thats y US should carry on the ban and kill HW now while its OS not really yet .

 

dun understand why they stop.

 

Now HW spurs into action to develop its own OS and chip liao,

 

give them a few more years and US cannot do anymore thing to them.

[1fast1]

In case you wonder, HW has not been removed from the entity list (companies that needs special license to trade). The fed is just going to grant licenses for selling to HW.

You mean Huawei is...

 

 

OK, now I'm terrified.

 

[Renegade777]

thats y US should carry on the ban and kill HW now while its OS not really yet .

 

dun understand why they stop.

 

Now HW spurs into action to develop its own OS and chip liao,

 

give them a few more years and US cannot do anymore thing to them.

They have to stop. If not, much money will be lost, more workers will lose their jobs, big timers will lose their shares, their profits. Tigtening on food, cars, houses of these people will be affected. Livelihood affected. The threat will get worst if they force the Chinese to the corner, and may eventually overtake google. Last but not least, with so many HW users the infor running behind will be too much too lose.

Edited July 15, 2019 by Renegade777

[Victor68]

thats y US should carry on the ban and kill HW now while its OS not really yet .

 

dun understand why they stop.

 

Now HW spurs into action to develop its own OS and chip liao,

 

give them a few more years and US cannot do anymore thing to them.

I am no expert in this but layman common sense tell me. The reason why 2 parties are trading is because they need both sides. If 1 party stop trading,  then the result is obvious. It is not the case the US is sponsoring or aiding others.  .

[Ysc3]

US lawmakers move to lock in Huawei's place on blacklist 

A bipartisan group of American senators introduced a bill Tuesday to keep Huawei Technologies on an export control blacklist so that U.S. President Donald Trump cannot use the ban as a bargaining chip in upcoming trade negotiations with China.

The Defending America's 5G Future Act would bar the removal of Huawei from the Commerce Department's Entity List without an act of Congress, which would also have the power to disapprove licenses allowing exports to Huawei and its group companies.

A companion bill has been introduced in the House of Representatives.

 

"The best way to address the national security threat we face from China's telecommunications companies is to draw a clear line in the sand and stop retreating every time Beijing pushes back," said Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, who spearheaded the legislation with Republican counterpart Tom Cotton of Arkansas, in a news release. "By prohibiting American companies from doing business with Huawei, we finally sent an unequivocal message that we take this threat seriously and President Trump shouldn't be able to trade away those legitimate security concerns."

Cotton expressed similar sentiments. "Huawei isn't a normal business partner for American companies, it's a front for the Chinese Communist Party," he said in the news release. "Our bill reinforces the president's decision to place Huawei on a technology blacklist. American companies shouldn't be in the business of selling our enemies the tools they'll use to spy on Americans."

Huawei has defended its cybersecurity record and has said there are no back doors in its products.

In a key escalation of Sino-American trade tensions this May, the U.S. Commerce Department added Huawei and dozens of its affiliates to the Entity List, in effect banning exports of American technology and goods to the Chinese company.

But Trump tweeted last month that at the request of American technology companies and Chinese President Xi Jinping, "I agreed to allow Chinese company Huawei to buy product from them which will not impact our National Security." The announcement, which came after the Trump-Xi meeting at the Group of 20 summit in Osaka, drew immediate criticism in Congress.

Companies like Huawei "represent a threat to the security of U.S. and allied communications networks," said Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, a Democrat who also backed the bill, in the news release. "It shouldn't be used as a bargaining chip in a larger trade negotiation."

 

[Beregond]

US lawmakers move to lock in Huawei's place on blacklist 

 

[Ysc3]

Americans getting better and better with taichi!