'Foreign' doesn't always mean 'talent'

[Evillusion]

I guarantee vote for you next GE..that is you got gumption to stand and be counted..

[kdash]

me three!ððð

'they' will always try to game the system if they can or allowed too!

people will always try to exploit any loopholes

[Evillusion]

people will always try to exploit any loopholes ðð

Yup.....me included....

[Ash2017]

somehow our laws dont seem to apply evenly

 

eg

 

Uber/Grab when they started no need vocational training versus traditional taxi drivers - disadvantage to taxi driver

 

Airbnb - propose ban in condos and HDB but not landed property - rich become richer

 

have laws against homosexual but not prosecute. in the mean time people get use to it then suddenly they say law implemented today, people are not like chewing gum

 

 

 

we are small and make changes fast but these constant changing of policies in the name of fine tuning are creating hell for many citizens 

 

 

 

[Karoon]

I ever took a taxi and the driver commented that the single most important thing and foresight the government has done was to attract foreign investment and create jobs. And the government has kept the economy going to sustain it. All these with little to no natural resources of whatever, not even land or human resources.

 

There are many people doing well and others not, it is always down to the individual, and if one don't make it, should look at himself, and not the government and the sky. Not even god will make everyone rich.

 

Old times - attract foreign investment, create jobs.

 

Today, foreign investment have better places to invest in thanks to our unique situation. High cost of business. Even if they come in, it is usually done at govt level and comes with many MOUs to benefit investor countries.... special tax rate, jobs to their countrymen, etc. 

 

So now we need to look at other biz models... eg export our product/services to big markets - china, india, and perhaps soon, indonesia, with so much emphasis on the singapore brand. And again these come with all-or-nothing MOUs.... usually jobs for their kind under some special scheme....

 

so what does sg do? we can wait for cabinet to find the answer or we can find our own way through this maze

[Solar]

So why only local companies have limit ratio, how about MNC? I agree if we are looking at security, cleaners, shipyard, construction etc, we need foreign labour. FT is something we need to focus and who is doing this? i know some organization has less than 30% locals and if you look at their staff, you know if they belong to the word 'Talent'. then Singaporean is really non talented or in great shortage, all well employed

 

I understand that there are broadly categorized into SP, which has a ratio with locals and EP, which doesn't have a limit.

[kdash]

I understand that there are broadly categorized into SP, which has a ratio with locals and EP, which doesn't have a limit.

Under the quota, the number of S Pass holders your company can hire is capped at:

 

15% of the company’s total workforce in the services sector.

20% in all other sectors.

 

Reference:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/s-pass/quota-and-levy/levy-and-quota-requirements

 

there is still a quota requirement for total SP and EP in the company, depending on industry. can play around with the link below.

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/work-permit-for-foreign-worker/foreign-worker-levy/calculate-foreign-worker-quota

[Staff69]

FT HR employs FT

[Solar]

Under the quota, the number of S Pass holders your company can hire is capped at:

 

15% of the companyâs total workforce in the services sector.

20% in all other sectors.

 

Reference:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/s-pass/quota-and-levy/levy-and-quota-requirements

 

there is still a quota requirement for total SP and EP in the company, depending on industry. can play around with the link below.

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/work-permit-for-foreign-worker/foreign-worker-levy/calculate-foreign-worker-quota

EP no quota la.. they'll have a minimum salary though.

 

MOM has to go on raising this minimum to the point it really hurts to bring in these foreigners unless they are definitely needed, or start hiring Singaporeans.

 

Not many companies can sustain bringing in these people in large quantities with salaries that high.

[Staff69]

Singapore Illegal import of foreign labour, receiving kickbacks to be made criminal offences

The Manpower Ministry (MOM) is tightening the Employment of Foreign Manpower Act (EFMA) so as to ensure compliance with the work pass framework.

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By S Ramesh

13 Aug 2012 12:00AM(Updated: 21 Mar 2017 09:39PM)

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SINGAPORE: The Manpower Ministry (MOM) is tightening the Employment of Foreign Manpower Act (EFMA) so as to ensure compliance with the work pass framework.

It's raising penalties for errant employers who contravene the law.

The ministry is also introducing a new Administrative Financial Penalty (AFP) regime to complement existing criminal prosecution and deter people from breaching regulations.

 

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Acting Manpower Minister, Tan Chuan-Jin, tabled the first reading of the Employment of Foreign Manpower (Amendment) Bill in Parliament on Monday.

From illegally employing foreign workers to using "phantom" local workers to secure higher quota for foreign workers, errant employers have found various ways to circumvent regulations set out in the work pass framework.

The result is that there were fewer job opportunities for Singaporeans.

As of December 2011, there are nearly 1.19 million foreign workers in Singapore.

So the Manpower Ministry is tightening the foreign worker employment law to ensure Singaporeans remain at the core of the country's workforce and to make employers pay the true cost of hiring foreigners.

President of Association of Employment Agencies, K Jayaprema, said: "One of the complaints is definitely employers who do not pay the correct salary they have promised to the employee; they do not observe the proper employment terms such as housing, overtime pay and other privileges which the employees are entitled to.

"The other is definitely they have not been offered the correct type of job they are recruited for. Very often they end up doing jobs they are not familiar with, it's not a job they have been told to be doing and largely it is the exorbitant fees they are being charged.

"We often hear from candidates they do not recover what they have spent to come into Singapore, so it has become a wasted effort for them."

Among the proposed changes, MOM is raising the penalties for the following offences: illegally importing foreign labour, submitting forged certificates of workers, using 'phantom' local workers to secure higher quota for foreign workers, and receiving employment kickbacks.

MOM said foreign workers pay between S$2,000 to S$10,000 to middlemen to secure jobs in Singapore. This has also severely disadvantaged locals who want to try for the same job.

To facilitate enforcement of regulations, MOM will presume that any monies collected from foreign workers are collected as consideration for employment, meaning as employment kickbacks.

Likewise for forged certificates, the ministry will also presume that the foreign worker knew that the educational qualification provided in his own work pass application was false.

Ms Jayaprema said: "I am not looking at 100 per cent eradication but if you look at the new regulations being introduced, every employer who reads it or takes the trouble to look at it will give it a good thought, will realise that they are going to lose a lot if they don't take these regulations seriously.

"Many of them are hiring through their own workers which is considered illegal, doing illegal employment agency business which we should not encourage.

"Very often employers have their own staff and HR who do their own recruitment and that's where malpractices steps in. This is something we have been highlighting to MOM that they have to correct the problems they are facing with the employers.

"Many of the employers choose not to come to the agencies. They prefer to recruit direct because we actually tell them what are the rules to observe and they find it difficult to deal with proper licensed agencies."

MOM intends to implement the changes by the end of this year.

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​in 2009 , i personally exposed my colleague ploy  proposal  to my boss about giving him 1,000 every month out of his salary of 2600 per month just to keep employing him.

 

 

​the foreigner was stupid enough to send his email to me thus, i just forward the entire email to ministry of man power and wrote in the mail that i be sending a copy to the new paper

 

 

​what happens after that....

 

 

 

 

 

 

same sh it still happening here every day

 

 

​i know of 1 IT firm that only has 2 locals out of 7 employees ...how they do it, i didnt ask

 

 

Edited December 17, 2017 by Staff69

[Atonchia]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/labour-shortage

 

 

Precursor to opening of flood gates?

Correction....

It's reopening

[DACH]

Smart nation indeed.

Still lagging behind in implementing technology on jobs that replace jobs that people shunned.

[Victor68]

Just pook at the number of FT in singapore, immigration authorities can easily pull out the numbers. Who is sleeping don't tell me nobody knows?

[Beregond]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/labour-shortage

 

 

Precursor to opening of flood gates?

Correction....

It's reopening

local avoid certain jobs like cleaners because of their low wages.

if we want local to take those job must raise their wages like in japan.

that would mean we have to more for their services.

 

if we dun want that, the only way out is to get ft for those cleaners job etc etc etc

[Sosaria]

Heard that some retirees with SG citizenship are offered "jobs" that involve little actual work and pay minimum. Purpose is for the company to fill their SG worker quota and allow them recruit more FTs. But as long as conditions fulfilled, it's all above board

[Victor68]

local avoid certain jobs like cleaners because of their low wages.

if we want local to take those job must raise their wages like in japan.

that would mean we have to more for their services.

 

if we dun want that, the only way out is to get ft for those cleaners job etc etc etc

Are you part of the government har? Peasants are not complaining about domestic workers, cleaners, security guard and construction workers leh, we are complaining about FT that took away precious jobs our local can do. The biggest question is, are these FT ready more talented than our locals? Then our education system failed badly. Better learn from these countries the FT came from.

[Atonchia]

local avoid certain jobs like cleaners because of their low wages.

if we want local to take those job must raise their wages like in japan.

that would mean we have to more for their services.

 

if we dun want that, the only way out is to get ft for those cleaners job etc etc etc

If for laborious job, then really require manpower.

 

Went to a Thai restaurant for lunch during Dec, service staff were students doing part time.

 

Went last week, they face manpower shortage. As all students went back to school.

 

Few people wanted to work as wait staff as permanent job.

 

I see many Chinese restaurants local service staff also grey haired already.

 

Many restaurants may close down if Labour shortage continues.

[13177]

local avoid certain jobs like cleaners because of their low wages.

if we want local to take those job must raise their wages like in japan.

that would mean we have to more for their services.

 

if we dun want that, the only way out is to get ft for those cleaners job etc etc etc

This is no longer new, they always say opening gate for foreigners is to take up job that local avoid, but from what i have see so far, many other jobs like admin work also taken up by foreigners la. Nowadays so common to see job like HR is taken by a foreigner, are we saying that local avoid HR job also? Lol.