How problematic is VW's 7 speed DSG?

[Douglam]

Even if set to Sports mode?

Unless you have a transformer car, it's more or less fixed by a hardware design. The sports mode is not a magic button. :)

[Mercury1]

You can't really use a high level view to gauge how stressed the engine is, when you're comparing engines and lifespan you will also need to take into account the materials and manufacturing process used. The car manufacturers when deciding the goal of the engine would have accounted for the ideal output and the material strength needed to ensure its longevity for the intended purpose. 

 

Overall design is important as well, how well the cooling system is designed to remove the heat, piston length etc.

 

When you say engine limit no one will know what exactly is the limit because no engines are made using the same materials and or design. If one were building two identical houses and one were made of bricks and another were made of wood which would stand the test of time for example.

 

Vw has a 1 litre 268 hp fyi

 

Just a link for engine design overview.

http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/detailed-analysis-the-bmw-b58-inline-6-cylinder-engine/

 

BMW loses one cylinder and still managed to churn out 136bhp and 220Nm, I will say that is pushing the engine to almost its limit. But the engine has been running in the MINIs for a while, so I will say BMW makes a calculated risk in bringing this engine to the BMW series.

 

Sorry I am not that well informed about the rest of the contis so cannot make informed comments on those, though I think Volvo is the other carmaker with both industrial and passenger vehicles?

 

Maybe you can give some information on the others.

 

[Audi2016]

Don't know why but Merc car do feel lethargic when being driven. Driven my Audi in D mode and driven Merc CLA in D mode. CLA seem like lagging and powerless when moving off. Not sure why. Feel damn "shock" that it is a merc I'm driving. And for info, it is not a base CLA. It is a CLA 200 with slightly higher HP and torque figure.

 

My previous car.. 2014 SLK250. Engine / accelerator response also like that. Lethargic and laggy response. Gear shifts are retarded and slow.. sometimes having a mind of its own (7G-Tronic). The accelerator feels like an On / Off switch.. nothing.. still nothing, press a lil harder, torque comes on all at once. In between nothing. Not very drivable in my opinion.. esp. in stop start traffic on our roads.

 

I think mainstream offerings from BMW / Audi drives better in the above aspect.. compared to mainstream models from Mercedes Benz. When I tested the current C180, I felt the accelerator feel has improved but still not as good.

[Audi2016]

Even if set to Sports mode?

 

The difference between Comfort mode, Eco mode and Sports mode on mainstream Mercedes Benz models, not much difference de.. In Audi, the difference is quite substantial. I can't speak for higher end models lah.

 

In fact, Sports mode in my SLK250 worsens the drive by making the accelerator suddenly over sensitive. So when you accelerate but not too much, the car feels like it lunges back & forth momentarily. Installing a throttle controller helped.. but only served to make the normal Comfort mode more drivable. Still stayed far far away from Sports mode.

[Passion]

The difference between Comfort mode, Eco mode and Sports mode on mainstream Mercedes Benz models, not much difference de.. In Audi, the difference is quite substantial. I can't speak for higher end models lah.

 

In fact, Sports mode in my SLK250 worsens the drive by making the accelerator suddenly over sensitive. So when you accelerate but not too much, the car feels like it lunges back & forth momentarily. Installing a throttle controller helped.. but only served to make the normal Comfort mode more drivable. Still stayed far far away from Sports mode.

I agree on this. Merc car can only see the exterior, the badge and the reliable engine. As for the power, the drive hardly justify the BHP and torque. But on highway, even it is a small car, it is damn stable. Driven a A200 CDI in Great Britain, the handling is superb even at 140 to 150km/h for such a small car. No chance to test CLA in Singapore context with so many cars on the road.

[Miles]

Will this flame the brand further?

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/oh-good-new-hack-can-unlock-100-million-volkswagens/

[Fuelsaver]

Will this flame the brand further?

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/oh-good-new-hack-can-unlock-100-million-volkswagens/

but rightfully should also affect keyless / immob system of other car makes?

[MercutioV]

but rightfully should also affect keyless / immob system of other car makes?

Indeed.

 

Quote: "Other brands with models affected by the problem include France's Citroen, Peugeot and Renault, Italy's Fiat, German Opel, Japan's Nissan and US-based Ford."

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-08-unveil-remote-flaw-100m-cars.html

[Keei]

Indeed.

 

Quote: "Other brands with models affected by the problem include France's Citroen, Peugeot and Renault, Italy's Fiat, German Opel, Japan's Nissan and US-based Ford."

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-08-unveil-remote-flaw-100m-cars.html

 

It's not new. Only difference is that it's official published. Why do you think car thefts in can easily hack cars wirelessly in JB? 

[Jellandross]

Will this flame the brand further?

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/oh-good-new-hack-can-unlock-100-million-volkswagens/

 

60 seconds considered very secured liao.  the Honda theft video in M'sia took only 10 seconds nia.

[Baal]

What you shared triggered some thoughts about certain engines, assigned to BnB cars, but are also used in higher applications.   Japan GT300 with the CRZ.

Even if the design is the same, will the type of metal/materials used be the same?
Or in the case of BMW's IL3, is the material make-up the same when applied on the MINI Cooper, 318, i3.  If not, is the said engine (of the same design) assigned different engine codes when assigned for use in the aforesaid car models?

Guess manufacturers are not going to easily share such info.

 

You can't really use a high level view to gauge how stressed the engine is, when you're comparing engines and lifespan you will also need to take into account the materials and manufacturing process used. The car manufacturers when deciding the goal of the engine would have accounted for the ideal output and the material strength needed to ensure its longevity for the intended purpose. 

 

Overall design is important as well, how well the cooling system is designed to remove the heat, piston length etc.

 

When you say engine limit no one will know what exactly is the limit because no engines are made using the same materials and or design. If one were building two identical houses and one were made of bricks and another were made of wood which would stand the test of time for example.

 

Vw has a 1 litre 268 hp fyi

 

Just a link for engine design overview.

http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/detailed-analysis-the-bmw-b58-inline-6-cylinder-engine/

 

[Mercury1]

Definitely an industrial secret, when the N20 engine came out with both 320 & 328 versions the piston model numbers differed. During a tear between both engines physically they were identical but no one knows if additional forging was done or if material composite difference.

 

Many people discount the complexities of alloy composite, reverse engineering is almost impossible.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/news/a13919/new-steel-alloy-titanium/

 

What you shared triggered some thoughts about certain engines, assigned to BnB cars, but are also used in higher applications.   Japan GT300 with the CRZ.

Even if the design is the same, will the type of metal/materials used be the same?
Or in the case of BMW's IL3, is the material make-up the same when applied on the MINI Cooper, 318, i3.  If not, is the said engine (of the same design) assigned different engine codes when assigned for use in the aforesaid car models?

Guess manufacturers are not going to easily share such info.

 

 

[Baal]

Definitely an industrial secret, when the N20 engine came out with both 320 & 328 versions the piston model numbers differed. During a tear between both engines physically they were identical but no one knows if additional forging was done or if material composite difference.

 

Many people discount the complexities of alloy composite, reverse engineering is almost impossible.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/news/a13919/new-steel-alloy-titanium/

Good article.  From eye power, the driver or even conti specialist shops' mechanics will not know the "material composite difference".

[rickosw]

wow

another factor for VW fanboys to worry about

 

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/12/12456014/car-key-fob-volkswagen-vulnerability-unlock-hack-crack

[yokechye]

wow

another factor for VW fanboys to worry about

 

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/12/12456014/car-key-fob-volkswagen-vulnerability-unlock-hack-crack

So does other car brands. How many kimchi sushi car got stolen up north?

[t0y0ta]

I believe all brands keyless systems are in some way vulnerable to such hacking. .. not just vw. That is the nature of this tech compared to physical key.

[S4vtec]

I believe there was a syndicate that was recently dismantled by the police . They were infamously known for stealing the car by hacking the lock and ignition systems through the OBD port for Hondas

[Miles]

Maybe there is a solution to this.... http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sme/tapping-tech-to-cover-new-ground