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Volvobrick

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Those are Cable Ties - and reserved for repair of the third rail.

 

For cracks on metal, experts recommend this:

 

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There is absolutely no need to send back to Qingdao.  It is only hairline cracks, no safety issue!

 

 

 

 

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Maxus-MIFA9

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LTA officer never think that these problem should be communicated to public.

 

Yup....

 

It's a "family affair", outsider keep out ... :yuush:

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Coincidentally, a month plus back, channel u was just airing a drama/series about reporters in HK. Looks like they really dare to dig n report like how the show portrays.

 

Even more ironically, we are depending on HK journa to learn n likely to continue learning whats going on here.

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Playtime

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Wa lau eh!!!

This just gets worse and worse.... one part on singapore trains says about possibility of equipment falling onto tracks, damn it!!!

 

LTA explanation in today's ST papers is very swee as usual. Avoided eevery where. Any trainee investigator would have failed if they turned in a report like that given the leaks known now.

 

"I don't recall. ." Will be the catch phrase in govt circles now.

You are right. I compare the photos from Google map and the one taken by Factwire, Google Map image, there are no solar panels on the buildings. Factwire image shows there are solar panels on the building. This shows this RMA process has been ongoing for quite some time already!!!

 

From Google :

 

 

 

 

 

From Factwire :

 

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To be fair.

Unless someone confess.

There's no way now to know if the old Google pictures are the same defect trains.

 

It could be new trains just came in. Or transhipment to another country customer.

 

But. What's known now is plenty damning enough.

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Wt_know

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let me quote the legendary quote

 

I dont want to hear any complain, anymore ... ever !!!

 

muahahahaha ... [laugh]

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Beregond

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let me quote the legendary quote

 

I dont want to hear any complain, anymore ... ever !!!

 

muahahahaha ... [laugh]

now is 69%

 

next round we might even see 75% [crazy]

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Fcw75

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Seriously I don't know what is wrong with some Singaporeans. Just enjoyed kenna f**ked in the ass then still never learn lesson, keep asking for more.

 

While the LTA CEO keep quiet about the whole thing and our dear leeder taking welfies, doing jump.

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inlinesix

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Seriously I don't know what is wrong with some Singaporeans. Just enjoyed kenna f**ked in the ass then still never learn lesson, keep asking for more.

 

While the LTA CEO keep quiet about the whole thing and our dear leeder taking welfies, doing jump.

 

Like Ostrich loh.  Head inside a hole but butt outside.

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Darryn

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Three questions need to be asked before jumping  the gun:

 

a) Are you lumping last 4 years of "multiple breakdowns" under the hair-line found in the C151A model?

 

I am saying that there have been multiple stories over the last 4 years about the status of the MRT, the track repairs, the signalling upgrades, new trains coming and more.  This latest event / information would seem to be largely equivalent - if "signalling upgrades" and "sleeper replacement" can be announced - why not the return and repair of 26 trains?   

 

b) If there is indeed a cover-up based on this HK report alone, what benefit will it bring to major stakeholders of MRT system

Why is it up to me to analyse the motivations of the major stakeholders?  The simple fact is that this problem has been known about since at least 2013 - and probably earlier. People behave in different ways for different reasons. There are two simple facts that we know for sure ---

i. this problem has been known about for three years (at least)

ii.  No public announcement has been made by LTA, Govt or SMRT. Despite multiple opportunities and a lot of other equivalent and relevant news being talked about (particularly reliability issues and fault reports)  

 

c) Are you suggesting that here is extensive collusion between supplies and official in LTA/SMRT and related gov boards?

I'm not suggesting it - I am outright stating it with a megaphone.  to keep something like this quiet for so long will have required extensive collusion.  If the relevant parties are even half way competent this has been known about for a long time at many different levels - from CEO through to Minister, Perm Sec and more.

That they know about it and didn't talk - but instead worked on solving the problem is collusion.

What we don't know is the WHY.

I can come up with multiple scenarios as to why - you can judge for yourself the likelihood of each...

1. The repairs agreement negotiated was contingent on LTA / SMRT not announcing the problem

2. The relevant parties saw this as "business and usual" and so insignificant that it didn't need to be mentioned / fell under normal operational issues that are not talked about

​3.  There is a legal / regulatory reason that it couldn't be talked about - perhaps it could be seen as some sort of information seen as moving the share price to SMRT and cannot be talked about for a listed company or something similar

​4. A strategic decision was taken that this would cause unnecessary worry in the public and it didn't need to be talked about

​5. The relevant parties found it embarrassing and thought it would have a negative impact on their image and on that basis kept it quiet.

 

 

 

BTW, the hairline crack was discovered in 2013, that is less than 4 years ago based on your source and definitely not discovered since it began operating in 2011

 

Apologies - I conflated a few dates, although one source does mention problems "with 3 months of delivery in 2011" - however there is no reason to be surly on the point - the difference between 3 years and 4 years is not significant to the points being made.

 

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Fcw75

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Like Ostrich loh. Head inside a hole but butt outside.

At least kenna f**ked in the ass, the ostrich head still inside the ground and just pretend nothing happened.

 

But we can see with our own eyes and make judgement, and yet they keep asking for more?!

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Wishcumstrue

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of course this is no secret now that it has been exposed.

 

the pertinent question is, did the authorities try to keep it a secret? seems they did so successfully, from Jul 2013 when the defects were first noticed. Three whole years have passed, with lots of news abt new trains, train frequency, train breakdowns, change of leadership etc. Any news abt these defects?

 

How does this not seem to be an attempt at a cover up?

 

if we the public had been informed abt this in a timely manner, would the HK chaps have used the term "secret"? That would be silly, no? In view of the lack of prior information for the past three years, how is using the term "secret" an attempt to sway public perception from the truth?

 

Sorry, this isn't a "pertinent" question but more of a rhetorical one.

Since you completed the question and ended with a statement "they did so successfully", that pretty much a judgement call itself.

No ?

 

As you also agree this Story has been crafted in such manner that put suggestive opinions in ways that manipulates public perception while without giving concrete evidence that is  a "secret" operation.

 

That is the power of information (or misinfomaton) through media.

 

As I commented earlier, why jump the gun on the premise of a report made by an agency funded by unknown $ and run by non-Hong Kongers ?

 

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Wishcumstrue

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You are right. I compare the photos from Google map and the one taken by Factwire, Google Map image, there are no solar panels on the buildings. Factwire image shows there are solar panels on the building. This shows this RMA process has been ongoing for quite some time already!!!

 

From Factwire :

 

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You know, those FactWire's own drone videos also concur to what  LTA has said:

 

Why send back only one train at a time and not all 26 trains?

To ensure adequate train availability, only one train (six train cars) is sent back for repair at any one time. Starting next year, two trains will be sent back concurrently as we will have more new and upgraded trains to maintain train availability.

 

Source:  https://www.gov.sg/factually/content/why-are-mrt-trains-being-shipped-back-to-its-manufacturer

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Kusje

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Sorry, this isn't a "pertinent" question but more of a rhetorical one.

Since you completed the question and ended with a statement "they did so successfully", that pretty much a judgement call itself.

No ?

 

As you also agree this Story has been crafted in such manner that put suggestive opinions in ways that manipulates public perception while without giving concrete evidence that is  a "secret" operation.

 

That is the power of information (or misinfomaton) through media.

 

As I commented earlier, why jump the gun on the premise of a report made by an agency funded by unknown $ and run by non-Hong Kongers ?

 

 

 

Your statements would be true prior to LTA's rebuttal/response. But to say we are jumping the gun after both sides have had their say isn't fair. 

 

IMO, LTA's response is rubbish.

You know, those FactWire's own drone videos also concur to what  LTA has said:

 

Why send back only one train at a time and not all 26 trains?

To ensure adequate train availability, only one train (six train cars) is sent back for repair at any one time. Starting next year, two trains will be sent back concurrently as we will have more new and upgraded trains to maintain train availability.

 

Source:  https://www.gov.sg/factually/content/why-are-mrt-trains-being-shipped-back-to-its-manufacturer

 

More like LTA's statements confirm factwire's drone videos.

 

It was Factwire that released the information first.

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