Harrier 2017

[sharinganez]

A few said that Harrier turbo still sluggish in term of take off...

but did anyone compare between Harrier NA vs turbo?

should hav improve alot d right? 

[Sporkypiggy]

SE informed that the OMV is about 36K for top range model. But this is to be further confirmed.

If 36K, it is the same as BMW X1 2L model (189BHP) which is going at $186,800.

That's almost 20K more for the X1.

[Avonez]

Bought the Harrier Luxury.

 

Likes

Nice design and interior finishing (full napa leather, should be same as Lexus)

Punchier Drive

No paddle shifter (save cost, never used it)

Rear flat seat

Higher front seats make getting off easier

Reasonably priced

Not a big step down from my current ride.

 

Dislikes

Bigger turning radius

No blind spot monitor

No subwoofer

No proper spare tire (all my previous cars spare tire came with same stock tire and rim and I have used the spare quite a number of times)

[Fcw75]

What's your current ride?

[richard_crl032]

A few said that Harrier turbo still sluggish in term of take off...

but did anyone compare between Harrier NA vs turbo?

should hav improve alot d right?

I drove my FIL 14mthz old sgd159k non turbo from vincars to my 2nd test drive this morning.

 

Sure got difference but subjective on what is alot ... it is significant 350nm vs 200nm torque for sure but again, pls dun go test drive fxt wirh same 350nm else you may regret like me and peehaps ignorance is sometime bliss ..lol

 

Btw, harrier turbo is not sluggish ...and engine is quieter when pushed compared to my 1st test drive 1 week ago ..guess engine run in a bit more ..it was 100km odometer last Sat.

Edited July 1, 2017 by richard_crl032

[richard_crl032]

Handsomedi, on 27 Jun 2017 - 11:39 PM, said:

"What makes you think ppl won't buy harrier turbo due to its higher fuel consumption and outdated 6AT gearbox?"

What talking you? Isn't that what I just said? U r confusing bro...

 

Well, I mean if you buy a car, you would want it to produce a decent amount of good power right? Even those tai tai wants a more powerful car...

 

I dare to say that most people in this thread are more to torque , HP and acceleration.

I guess you are new to this thread?

 

Let's be very very honest here ok, those that buy the CLA180, mainly wants the Mercedes badge.

They want the car to be as cheap as possible with the Mercedes badge. If S-Class has a variant that is less powerful than the another variant at $10k less, u think all the S-class buyers will go for which one?

No offence to everyone here. I am stating my point of view. No hard feelings. If you don't agree with this , please press the dislike button

 

by clement229

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clamy ah Clamy,

 

read what you have typed before replying.

initially you said 10k for harrier turbo is no brainer compare to harrier NA,then i replied you if everyone think like you then no one will buy Qashqai 1.2, everyone wil chiong for QQ 2.0 instead. your response was ppl buy QQ 1.2 due to lower maintenance or running cost.

this sentence does not make sense because harrier turbo will have a higher running cost and FC compare to Harrier NA!

 

Dont be naive, do you really think MOST of the car owner go for your so called torque, acceleration and power? still quite a handful only interested in modding bodykit and aesthetics mod. to some, spend 10k on turbo might as well spend 10k on bodykit and other mod.

 

you said

"Let's be very very honest here ok, those that buy the CLA180, mainly wants the Mercedes badge." this sentence is quite insulting to merc owner.

again this sentence sound stupid and ignorant, if really want to go for merc badge might as well buy A180? even cheaper! things that you said really dont make sense clamy ah clamy

Not into any argument here but cla180 and cla200 is not a good analogy since the performance difference is no where near 200nm vs 350nm for the NA and turbo Harrier

[7hm]

Dislikes

Bigger turning radius

Just to be clear, for this you are comparing to your previous ride?

[therock]

I have the M270 engine in a different form factor.

0-100 in 9.1s

The 122 bhp doesn't should like much but the light pressure turbo plus the DCT gearbox does make a big difference.

There's still a momentary lag as you need to wind up to 1250 rpm to hear the whir of the turbo coming on but from there until 4000 rpm, it's a flat wall of torque.

Given that the CLA weighs more than 1.4 tons, it will take a moment to build up the momentum but it's no sluggard and you can overtake with ease on the NSH.

 

Furthermore the CLA 180's engine is electronically reduced but reports have mentioned that under full power it's almost as powerful as the CLA 200 which has the same engine without the ECU restrictions.

It was the last engine which didn't face the dyno tests ..

[7hm]

"Let's be very very honest here ok, those that buy the CLA180, mainly wants the Mercedes badge." this sentence is quite insulting to merc owner. 

again this sentence sound stupid and ignorant, if really want to go for merc badge might as well buy A180? even cheaper! things that you said really dont make sense clamy ah clamy 

 

 

A180 is a cramped hatchback, while the CLA180 is a cramped saloon that claims to be a coupe. So it seems, to that sort of local buyer, to be the cheapest way to own a Mercedes sedan that is "good looking".

Edited July 1, 2017 by 7hm

[therock]

Having said that, people get mercs for a variety of reasons and the badge definitely factors in.

Safety and other issues too but I would say the fit and finish of the Harrier is better. It's a Lexus from a higher class after all.

[7hm]

I have the M270 engine in a different form factor.

0-100 in 9.1s

The 122 bhp doesn't should like much but the light pressure turbo plus the DCT gearbox does make a big difference.

There's still a momentary lag as you need to wind up to 1250 rpm to hear the whir of the turbo coming on but from there until 4000 rpm, it's a flat wall of torque.

Given that the CLA weighs more than 1.4 tons, it will take a moment to build up the momentum but it's no sluggard and you can overtake with ease on the NSH.

 

Furthermore the CLA 180's engine is electronically reduced but reports have mentioned that under full power it's almost as powerful as the CLA 200 which has the same engine without the ECU restrictions.

It was the last engine which didn't face the dyno tests ..

 

I expect you can easily remap or chip it to MFA200 level and maybe even get better fuel economy. It's telling when the M270 Red. has poorer official fuel economy than the non-red.

[therock]

However it does feel more solid.

Btw the CLA is the a class with a boot. The C 180 is a totally different car from a higher class. Same chassis as the e class. Space wise its about the same legroom as a Corolla.

The car which can compete with the Harrier in terms of price and speed is probably the B180 rather than the CLA or A class.

In roughly the same ballpark or cheaper.

[7hm]

However it does feel more solid.

Btw the CLA is the a class with a boot. The C 180 is a totally different car from a higher class. Same chassis as the e class. Space wise its about the same legroom as a Corolla.

 

yeah, i meant to write CLA180 dunno how I write C180 there like a dodo. edited.

Was told it's a Pioneer head set with 7" display customised for Singapore.

 

I think the head units used by most of the current Toyota from BM are using the original-style Toyota-Pioneer head units, but they tweak the software to suit locals with support for local maps.

Edited July 1, 2017 by 7hm

[therock]

I expect you can easily remap or chip it to MFA200 level and maybe even get better fuel economy. It's telling when the M270 Red. has poorer official fuel economy than the non-red.

Yeah, probably a simple chip piggyback thIng. I had four adults plus luggage going uphill on the NSH, no fuss pulling.

The engine changes from a rather agricultural tone at idle to a far more exciting rorty note when you press hard. Lots of fun from a bread van.

From the latest info, the crv feature count is low and unless they price it much lower or offer seven seats, it's dead in the water before it even gets launched.

As for the Mazda, at least it looks slick but again unless it's a lot cheaper or the buyer wants something different, it's likely to be a small volume seller.

[Axeman24]

Just left the Borneo showroom, a lot of people viewing the Harrier. My take away is that if you have 7k more to spare, go for the Lux model because all features are included and also go for the white pearl or the sparkling black because it is included in the price for the Lux mode. If you choose the premium model, you will need to top up 1k for these 2 colours and you lugi if you choose other colours. I didn't test drive the car but on the whole, it looks really good in terms of the interior and exterior. The SE told me now the delivery will be in Nov if you place the order now. I am still considering as the take in car price for my Camry is quite low.

[Datura]

Wow COE will definitely sky rocket these few months with more new entry coming in

[Soya]

Just left the Borneo showroom, a lot of people viewing the Harrier. My take away is that if you have 7k more to spare, go for the Lux model because all features are included and also go for the white pearl or the sparkling black because it is included in the price for the Lux mode. If you choose the premium model, you will need to top up 1k for these 2 colours and you lugi if you choose other colours. I didn't test drive the car but on the whole, it looks really good in terms of the interior and exterior. The SE told me now the delivery will be in Nov if you place the order now. I am still considering as the take in car price for my Camry is quite low.

Think of the Luxury model as a cut price NX200t and the $7k extra looks like a bargain.

[khinghong]

Test drove the new Harrier Turbo at Ubi branch today.. no big crowd so SE let me test drove 2 1/2 round consecutively.. sound proof is good and engine is smooth and powerful enough for me (tested both normal & sport mode).. overall is pretty contented with this ride...

 

Some minor things to share:

1. Multi info display is only 7-inch; I feel it should be larger for the car of this size

2. I think the Illuminated Entry is not present though it's stated in the brochure.. I asked the SE and they could not show what I see online

3. I saw somewhere online there is emergency flash light at the back... but I think this is not present in SG version as well