Harrier 2017

[Xlack]

I thought first batch delivering this month? Those kind of first impression feedback after 1,2 weeks of ownership lah.

 

But yes, it will be bonus to know lose by how car lengths to Fxt/Q5/Tiguan/GLC off the lights.

[Xlack]

I thought first batch delivering this month? Those kind of first impression feedback after 1,2 weeks of ownership lah.

 

But yes, it will be bonus to know lose by how car lengths to Fxt/Q5/Tiguan/GLC off the lights.

[white_black]

The headlamp consists of 3 LED lights.. one high beam, one low beam I presume.. another one ?

 

...and one mid beam. hahaha...

[therock]

Just read through the new brochure, it comes with vehicle stability control with ABS & EBD, will that help in preventing skidding during wet weather like the poor chap that died in uber car at Xilinx avenue?

 

These features certainly help, but the Harrier doesn't come with the most important 'anti-idiot' assistance function that prevents idiotic driving that is even more important than these safety features.

In any case, apart from Toyota Corolla, most B&B cars have had these for at least five years. ABS for at least 10 years. Even the Corolla has ABS.

 

The key new safety features most other companies highlight will be lane-assist, collision assist, adaptive cruise control, park assist, blind spot assists, brake assist, and attention assist.. 

[Earthboy]

i think these days people just need a self driving car. 100% "assisted"

These features certainly help, but the Harrier doesn't come with the most important 'anti-idiot' assistance function that prevents idiotic driving that is even more important than these safety features.

In any case, apart from Toyota Corolla, most B&B cars have had these for at least five years. ABS for at least 10 years. Even the Corolla has ABS.

 

The key new safety features most other companies highlight will be lane-assist, collision assist, adaptive cruise control, park assist, blind spot assists, brake assist, and attention assist.. 

 

[Arogab]

i think these days people just need a self driving car. 100% "assisted"

 

Too much technology means we will be getting more and more idiots

[0wnage]

The headlamp consists of 3 LED lights.. one high beam, one low beam I presume.. another one ?

 

The outer LED is a low beam and the inner 2 are high beams according to the SE when I asked

[inlinesix]

Just read through the new brochure, it comes with vehicle stability control with ABS & EBD, will that help in preventing skidding during wet weather like the poor chap that died in uber car at Xilinx avenue?

 

It will not if tyre sucks.

[7hm]

I guess the Harrier buyer is more akin to a luxury car buyer?

The average corolla buyer is adverse to functions and prefers their cars simple, claiming this reduces costs and repair risks ..

so they don't ask for USB,folding mirrors and other kit which are now found in many basic cars.

 

On the other hand, some of the potential Harrier buyer, if stepping up from Corolla, will be thinking, wow, all these functions are amazing! Even though they might have previously baulked at such technology saying it is a potential problem! The magic of Toyota!

 

 

 

 

That aside, for users who are considering frequently linking their phone to the head unit for music and etc., do take into consideration whether the dash mounted port is intrusive. I personally do prefer the fact that I have two USB ports in my arm rest compartment.

The headlamp consists of 3 LED lights.. one high beam, one low beam I presume.. another one ?

 

Could also be a case of 1 high beam 2 low beam like Vezel, but Vezel uses bulb for high beam.

 

Or maybe it is conti style and all three projectors are used in low beam with a Bi-LED function - high beam is separate set of diodes in the projectors.

 

Or maybe one of them is a 'side fill beam', or cornering light? But looking at the way all three of them seem to be forward pointing doesn't seem likely.

Just read through the new brochure, it comes with vehicle stability control with ABS & EBD, will that help in preventing skidding during wet weather like the poor chap that died in uber car at Xilinx avenue?

 

All this stuff no good if you still drive too fast for your car's physical ability or tailgate people in rain giving yourself zero safety reaction time.

 

And braking too hard in rain is usually a cause of accident. Skidding also caused by traction loss which is usually mitigated by TCS/VSC/whatever name stability control systems, which the Harrier does have, I think. But again even with traction systems still can spin out. There was a video recently of a Mazda6 spinning out on the expressway in wet weather for not much clear reason.

[andrewyewkc]

According to what stated as illuminated entry in the brochure, it's under "exterior section". Maybe that's the one.

But the hawk logo, I doubt so

If I am not wrong, September 17 start Euro 6 compliance.

January 18 start VES.

High chance this car under Euro 6 now in Neutral Band (CEVS) will be +$10k for VES next year.

I had heard somewhere that the Harrier is neutral under VES (unconfirmed). Can anyone please confirm if the Harrier will be +10k under VES next year?

[therock]

On the other hand, some of the potential Harrier buyer, if stepping up from Corolla, will be thinking, wow, all these functions are amazing! Even though they might have previously baulked at such technology saying it is a potential problem! The magic of Toyota!

 

 

That aside, for users who are considering frequently linking their phone to the head unit for music and etc., do take into consideration whether the dash mounted port is intrusive. I personally do prefer the fact that I have two USB ports in my arm rest compartment.

 

Yep, I like the two USB ports in my armrest. More durable, and less prone to accidental yanking of the cord from the dash..

 

The feature list is quite generous indeed, so those moving up from the feature void Corolla will either like it, or get a culture shock and complain..

 

But with Toyota behind it, they should work well. Otherwise you will see a rather busy Harrier thread in a few years.

Generally speaking the mechanical parts of the better cars last pretty long, see the better German cars for example. It's the electronics, the cabling etc that can provide some issues.

Buyers may also face never before issues like service reminders and such... it's a new world!

[Lawkoh]

I had heard somewhere that the Harrier is neutral under VES (unconfirmed). Can anyone please confirm if the Harrier will be +10k under VES next year?

I think is not confirm

My understanding is doesn't mean Euro 6 car will be in Neutral band or Rebate

You may refer to both website to get some information

 

https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=08685840-d664-4713-9ccb-96dcd8936d08

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/a-more-holistic-emissions-scheme

[7hm]

I had heard somewhere that the Harrier is neutral under VES (unconfirmed). Can anyone please confirm if the Harrier will be +10k under VES next year?

 

Very likely will be +10k, I believe Harrier currently puts out around 180g/km or 170g/km of carbon dioxide. The VES still relies mainly on the carbon dioxide output, I think - the Euro VI requirement mostly revolves around other emissions such as particulate matter and nitrogen-based gases, and requires that all vehicles from that point on do not exceed the stipulated maximums of such gases.

 

I recall that the new VES scheme, with its fewer, tighter bands, will lower a neutral vehicle's level from about 180g/km to around 130 g/km, which is the range typical of most Category A cars such as the Vezel or small continentals such as the Peugeot 308 (116g/km). Anything above that, including the Harrier, will be slapped with the penalty, similar to cars occupying the current C band. Like my own car 

And unlike the existing CEVS benefit where it's a discount on ARF (meaning you lose PARF value later on), it is a flat, straight up penalty that doesn't improve your PARF value. Typical eh? 

Yep, I like the two USB ports in my armrest. More durable, and less prone to accidental yanking of the cord from the dash..

 

The feature list is quite generous indeed, so those moving up from the feature void Corolla will either like it, or get a culture shock and complain..

 

But with Toyota behind it, they should work well. Otherwise you will see a rather busy Harrier thread in a few years.

Generally speaking the mechanical parts of the better cars last pretty long, see the better German cars for example. It's the electronics, the cabling etc that can provide some issues.

Buyers may also face never before issues like service reminders and such... it's a new world!

 

Somehow, when Toyota does it, it is amazing and the amount of people who will worry about its reliability will be far less than when, say, Mercedes does it. 

[therock]

Very likely will be +10k, I believe Harrier currently puts out around 180g/km or 170g/km of carbon dioxide. The VES still relies mainly on the carbon dioxide output, I think - the Euro VI requirement mostly revolves around other emissions such as particulate matter and nitrogen-based gases, and requires that all vehicles from that point on do not exceed the stipulated maximums of such gases.

 

I recall that the new VES scheme, with its fewer, tighter bands, will lower a neutral vehicle's level from about 180g/km to around 130 g/km, which is the range typical of most Category A cars such as the Vezel or small continentals such as the Peugeot 308 (116g/km). Anything above that, including the Harrier, will be slapped with the penalty, similar to cars occupying the current C band. Like my own car 

And unlike the existing CEVS benefit where it's a discount on ARF (meaning you lose PARF value later on), it is a flat, straight up penalty that doesn't improve your PARF value. Typical eh? 

 

Somehow, when Toyota does it, it is amazing and the amount of people who will worry about its reliability will be far less than when, say, Mercedes does it. 

Yeah Toyota, the name for reliability.

 

Wah 10k band? MTL! Buy buy now...

[andrewyewkc]

Yeah, the high emissions was something surprising.

But the rep said it's band neutral in the new VES?

Thanks for all the inputs and info. This is the post I was referring to.

[Arogab]

Yeah Toyota, the name for reliability.

 

Wah 10k band? MTL! Buy buy now...

 

Not only reliability for BM. When my Corrolla Altis drive shaft got issue after 3 years of warranty. I told my SA that I did complain about the noise before the warranty ends. No question asked, they replace the entire drive shaft after warranty over by 6 months.

 

Second case, my Camry had alternator issue out of warranty, my outside workshop change a re-con one for me. When my wife complain that this affected the battery. They change it without charges.

 

My Camry was 5 years warranty, at 6 years, when we complain they scratched our dashboard (arguably), they also took in and claim the entire dashboard for me......So I am very appreciative to BM's service.

[bullgt]

Not only reliability for BM. When my Corrolla Altis drive shaft got issue after 3 years of warranty. I told my SA that I did complain about the noise before the warranty ends. No question asked, they replace the entire drive shaft after warranty over by 6 months.

 

Second case, my Camry had alternator issue out of warranty, my outside workshop change a re-con one for me. When my wife complain that this affected the battery. They change it without charges.

 

My Camry was 5 years warranty, at 6 years, when we complain they scratched our dashboard (arguably), they also took in and claim the entire dashboard for me......So I am very appreciative to BM's service.

BM servicing is more lenient in term of warranty claims. Years back when I was driving a corolla, my brake disc rotor, suspension and air con control system all suffer from damages when my millage hit about 98K in less then 3 years. At that time the warranty was on 3years or 100Km which ever come first.

On top on that I only did my service in BM for the first year.  When I went in to claim the warranty for the mechanical failure of all this parts, the SE was kind enough to help me to get all the approval to have it repair for FREE inclusive of labour charges.

I wasn't prepare for them to honour all the warranty claim as I did not send in my car for servicing after the first year, yet they honour all the warranty claim . I was quite impressed and appreciate with their professionalism in handling warranty claim. 

 

Just for the info. the total damage for the claim was about 3.5K and it was totally free for me. Kudos the BM service team.

[therock]

That's the difference..

Some threads are full of what's wrong with the car, what is this noise / rattle / squeak..

Toyota threads are more about what's this function and how wonderful the car is.

Folks may whack their designs, their boring interior etc, but there is a reason why 'boring' cars like the Camry or Corolla occupy the top ten selling year in, year out.