Harrier 2017

[Pocus]

Any difference in tuning should already be accounted for in the torque and power outputs. Maybe the 6AT cmi lah. Maybe Subaru underreport the specs, or toyota over report. Maybe it's just your butt feel. Maybe Fxt noisier and you thought it's faster. Maybe harrier speedo sweep slower because graduations are further apart (true) as it only goes to 180. Short of a topgear style drag race we can only infer ð

Not necc. Cash deal has a 2k "penalty" or loss of loan rebate. I got my coe.

The harrier uses the super ECT gearbox right?

 

Having driven a vios many years back which uses the same Super ECT gearbox. I can say it's actually one of the best auto gearbox out thete.

 

This thing can practically read your mind.

 

So it could still be the throttle...if it really is then nothing a aftermarket throttle controller couldn't fix..

[khinghong]

Coming back to Harrier topic... what they do in the official launch? How come can receive bookings before the so called official launch?

[LookSkyWalker]

Coming back to Harrier topic... what they do in the official launch? How come can receive bookings before the so called official launch?

So they can present the key to the first customer just in time? All part of marketing strategy?

[Aloe111]

I own the FXT for 2 yrs so I can tell you 1 additional passenger makes negligible difference. We are talking about real life commute here not racetrack sensitive timings.

 

If there's a difference in in that 60kg for a 350nm harrier...then it's indeed worrying...

Good. The question is can you feel it with additional pax back when you had the Fxt?

[Jwee85]

Hopfully the early secure COE is in anticipation of more buyers in the coming months, so AD can sell as many as possible......

 

And Not because PI may somehow get the software patch to convert the PI turbo harrier to English words???

[Earthboy]

subaru chassis dont flex so much.  it a very "hard" car. than again alot of after market bar available.

Hi Aloe111,

Think basically sedated tuning of the Harrier Turbo by Toyoya Japan despite same 350nm/227bhp vs 350nm/240bhp .... and this explains the higher FC of fxt at 11.8km/l vs 13.6km/l. Furthermore Harrier Turbo is euro 6 compliant but not the fxt.

It is certainly not a mere 60kg weight difference to explain the totally different pick up response.

Yes, I test drove twice the harrier turbo and drove the fxt immediately thereafter with all 3 drive modes of the harrier turbo as well as fxt's. With the 2 lower drive mode the Harrier Turbo feel sedated compared to the fxt which was quite effortless and at the final most aggressive mode, it indeed wake up and you will feel the full glory of its 350nm/227bhp but a bit uncontrolled despite improved suspension compared to non turbo version which I drove for 2 week to be familiar. Note however that it defaults to lowest mode and you have to set this final mode. For the fxt, its same default lower gear was effortless in pick up and the final mode did not exhibit the same uncontrolled feel ... hard to describe and only test drive of both will you appreciate this significant difference.

Cheers.

 

[Vratenza]

You never been to a condo launch huh?

 

Simi private viewing, by invitation only, special VVIP deals.... all before the "Official Launch" date.

 

I am just surprised that they don't have balloting to buy the Harrier during the "pre-launch" viewings yet.....

 

 

Coming back to Harrier topic... what they do in the official launch? How come can receive bookings before the so called official launch?

 

[Cikgoo]

Coming back to Harrier topic... what they do in the official launch? How come can receive bookings before the so called official launch?

 

Its called Pre-Launch!

Hopfully the early secure COE is in anticipation of more buyers in the coming months, so AD can sell as many as possible......

 

And Not because PI may somehow get the software patch to convert the PI turbo harrier to English words???

 

PI bringing in Harrier Turbo??? 

[AFWE69]

I signed on Monday 3/7 and got the COE 2 days later on 5/7. No loan, no trade in. Car ready only in Nov and registering in Dec. Wonder why BM bid high to get my COE so early this round.

 

Did you have to pay penalty for not taking loan?

[khinghong]

You never been to a condo launch huh?

 

Simi private viewing, by invitation only, special VVIP deals.... all before the "Official Launch" date.

 

I am just surprised that they don't have balloting to buy the Harrier during the "pre-launch" viewings yet.....

No money how to go condo launch? Can only afford condom nia.. :(

[Xlack]

Did you have to pay penalty for not taking loan?

Have to 'pay' additional $1900 for not taking loan. Actually it's more like you won't get the loan rebate so end up having to 'pay' more..

[Avonez]

Have to 'pay' additional $1900 for not taking loan. Actually it's more like you won't get the loan rebate so end up having to 'pay' more..

Actually you can lock in the loan rate now and decide later if you wish to take up the loan or pay in full closer to the registration date of the car.

 

Anyone going for the Japan/Toyota trip? No details on the itinerary yet.

[Lawkoh]

Thought the loan Rebate is $2400?

 

Think delivery is base on first come first served basis....

Also depending on your colour choice availability.

As long as loan approved, they well proceed with COE BIDDING.

Think COE bidding priority will be those who collecting the car in July.

[richard_crl032]

Its called Pre-Launch!

 

 

PI bringing in Harrier Turbo???

Cikgoo,

 

Bring in also no england car computer only for BM. PI will find other brand and model.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

[richard_crl032]

My SE is old bird, but maybe he didn't bother to check out all the features.

60kg is one med sized Asian adult. Not negligible for 350nm. Try it with one additional pax in Fxt Vs. Harrier again. Or try your own car if similar performance. Or try on your own car with full tank and near empty tank.

Disagree respectfully ..60kg dun make a difference especially 350nm/227bhp and any further diacussion is meaningless

Any difference in tuning should already be accounted for in the torque and power outputs. Maybe the 6AT cmi lah. Maybe Subaru underreport the specs, or toyota over report. Maybe it's just your butt feel. Maybe Fxt noisier and you thought it's faster. Maybe harrier speedo sweep slower because graduations are further apart (true) as it only goes to 180. Short of a topgear style drag race we can only infer ð

Not necc. Cash deal has a 2k "penalty" or loss of loan rebate. I got my coe.

Spec is max. or min. lah ...tuning of course make the difference on response, FC etc. Not a car guy or in engineeing right ?? Edited July 8, 2017 by richard_crl032

[Xlack]

Thought the loan Rebate is $2400?

 

Think delivery is base on first come first served basis....

Also depending on your colour choice availability.

As long as loan approved, they well proceed with COE BIDDING.

Think COE bidding priority will be those who collecting the car in July.

There is a $500 rebate for paying in cash

[Stratovarius]

One reason why FXT felt more responsive could be due to the turbo itself. FXT uses twin scroll turbochargers which mitigate low rev turbo lags by having 2 fan blades of different pressure. The turbo pressure is also quite high and can reach 1.5 bar max.

 

The CVT of the FXT are chain driven instead of the regular rubber driven CVT so it is built to handle high torque and doesn't have that rubberband effect.

 

CVT bringing its rev to the optimum so there is no loss of torque. But then it will feel more like a golf cart acceleration...boring for some. Smoother for some.

 

FXT does come with a S sharp mode which the CVT mimicked a 8 speed gear to allow you to rev. While this mode feels faster and more engaging to drive, owners have taken the timings and found it to be slower compared to its original CVT mode.

 

Taken all this into consideration that could be why the harrier felt less urgent compared to the FXT.

Subie cvt cannot handle too high a torque. 450nm is very risky in slippage or breakage. Towing specs is one which we dont talked about but the forester tow weight is actually one of the lowest comparing the the competitors. The further shows the limitation of the cvt.

Technically, the 3 modes shd give the same 0 to 100 timing. There's been alot of discussion saying sport sharp is slower due to the drop in revs. But some actually achieve the sub 7s timing with sport sharp. So its kind of a debate now.

All in all. Fa20 is a good engine. Cvt is the weakest link. It might be good for fc and optimize torque but it does take away alot of fun and feel being too linear.

Back to the harrier, the torque comes in around 1.6k rpm. Much earlier than the fxt. Wonder if that actually helps in the acceleration.

[Choonkok]

Noob question - assuming you get the COE last wed 5jul but car delivery only on 1Dec. COE actually "take effect" on registration ie 1Dec? Is that correct, or does the 10yrs clock starts in Jul?