Fatal Accidents - Driver or Road Problem?

[Evillusion]

85 hmm probably failed the licence renewal test then. I reckon above 50 higher chance of black out than a 20plus.

actually easy to check any handphone usage few seconds before the tragedy happened.

ya...i know. Even if delete the last msg or phone call can easily check with the telco. Worst are those texting while driving........eyes completely off the road......

[inlinesix]

Looks like it has pick up some momentum

https://www.change.org/p/land-transport-authority-change-traffic-light-rules-to-prevent-further-casualties-singapore

 

Even media pick it up http://www.zaobao.com.sg/znews/singapore/story20180423-853149

[Kopites]

That's the most bulls**t reason used.

 

As if ppl in London, Paris or Sydney don't have such a hectic life like us.

Sydney driving just like our Shenton way. not slow.

 

as for taxi zooming off..those taxi 2.5cc above holden etc.

 

 

would longer traffic light timing help to minimise accident? just for discussion.

 

imagine waiting 3 to 4min before light turn green. would that calm our ego/impatient/road rage?

Edited April 23, 2018 by Kopites

[Kopites]

True tt

 

I tend to agree with most here he used Hp

 

Seen loads of them still using and dunno wtf tp doing

 

They shd hv gods eye to detect and immed call in n ban drivers who flout the rule

would it be possible for you as mod to disable or delete those videos as respect to the deceived family members.

 

just asking dont flame me for busy body.

[SuPerBoRed]

it is our lifestyle and it is bad for everybody. you drive in europe or even Australia, motorists will slow down to 40 km when they reach town even the road is totally clear.

 

but the same driver is unlikely to do the same on singapore road. he can't and he also have to follow everybody else. same line when we are there, we will also slow down or even wave the other party to go first.

 

how to be like them? lifestyle got to change first.

So true... accidents only happen on Singapore roads...

True tt

 

I tend to agree with most here he used Hp

 

Seen loads of them still using and dunno wtf tp doing

 

They shd hv gods eye to detect and immed call in n ban drivers who flout the rule

Use hp won’t be constant speed after mount curb... think abt it..

 

More likely fell asleep..

[Evillusion]

So true... accidents only happen on Singapore roads...

 

Use hp won’t be constant speed after mount curb... think abt it..

 

More likely fell asleep..

maybe.......but once the lorry hit the kerb he will be like in a wild bronco ride.....flying here and there. And at that age he may have floored the throttle instead of the brakes.....heck even if put me in that situation i will be blur for that instant and just do what will be deem right for the moment which may be actually making matters worse.

[boonhat_91]

passed by this car today.. in light of recent events it strikes a bit of a sour note. looks like kena rear ended by a bus or lorry. luckily the driver (standing at the grass) seems fine.

 

[Volvobrick]

For one such fatal accident, there may be 5 more such accidents without death, 15 more near misses and dunno how many goes unreported? Though can't pin it completely down to the system as users play a part of it, it has become a game of probability.

 

Get the green arrow out, then no more inching forward, no more honking from behind and probably people drive feeling more confident and decisive.

 

Just my opinion.

There will still be pedestrians, bikes, escooters chionging into the path of the turning vehicles. Still got to be careful.

[Tohto]

I disagree that Australians drive slowly in cities.

 

They always accelerate away very fast when the

 

lights turn green so that more people can clear

 

the lights. Especially taxis and I really appreciate

 

this. Our kuniang drivers always checking their hair,

 

picking their nose and taking their time when the

 

lights tun green. After wasting a few seconds they

 

take their time and then suddenly become the most

 

impatient drivers in the world and need to rush ahead.

 

 

Time to drive fast they don't want to drive fast and drive

 

like sissies. Time to slow down and drive carefully they

 

want to speed.

 

 

Its really a case of immature thinking.

Similar to Germany lah.

Driver move off from traffic light so fast to reach the cruising speed.

Here many driver scare step a bit harder will waste petrol.

[Aventador]

Could not sleep after someone shared this from the Father of Kathy Ong, the victim at the Commonwealth Road accident

 

Sharing it here to ask those after reading who drive, to drive safer a little. And those who love to love a little more.... 

 

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Written by Keith Ong

 

Baby, when you wrote about your own death, Daddy felt it was so weird and inauspicious for a 19 year old to write such stuff...now, looking at you...I am thankful you wrote it. Its the closest i can get to hearing you cos i never had the chance to have a last word with you. i am glad i sent you fruits on Tue evening and we hugged each other tightly as that was the last time i got to hug you dearly in my arms. i know there are a lot more you have to tell daddy and mummy. i dont know how but i hope i get to see, hear and feel you soon...

 

 

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[SiLangKia]

Could not sleep after someone shared this from the Father of Kathy Ong, the victim at the Commonwealth Road accident

 

Sharing it here to ask those after reading who drive, to drive safer a little. And those who love to love a little more.... 

 

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Written by Keith Ong

 

Baby, when you wrote about your own death, Daddy felt it was so weird and inauspicious for a 19 year old to write such stuff...now, looking at you...I am thankful you wrote it. Its the closest i can get to hearing you cos i never had the chance to have a last word with you. i am glad i sent you fruits on Tue evening and we hugged each other tightly as that was the last time i got to hug you dearly in my arms. i know there are a lot more you have to tell daddy and mummy. i dont know how but i hope i get to see, hear and feel you soon...

 

 

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Reading this really puts alot of things into perspective, now I can't sleep too....

 

Hope her family finds peace and that they will be reunited someday to be together forever in heaven

[kdash]

firstly, we should give the driver the benefit of the doubt. although yes, lives were lost and emotions are running high, and there may be no "valid" excuse for the driver, lets wait for the results of the investigation before we judge him. in any case, the mistake has been made, and the driver would have to suffer the consequences physically (jail etc) and psychologically (living with the guilt for the rest of his life).

 

secondly, as an engineer by training, if the road and traffic light design can be improved to mitigate some of these accidents, it should be done. i had posted 2 options to revise the traffic light configuration for right turn at junction, and thats notwithstanding the various suggestions of the MCFers here on installing of overhead bridges and pedestrian tunnels. it may be more costly but i would rather pay higher GST to see this being done than some of the other "projects", if it means potentially saving lives... although with these installations, whether the garment would be seen as "pampering" the people here is debatable...

 

thirdly, since SG is a lawful country, why not make it mandatory for all new drivers to go through the defensive driving course maybe within one year of getting their licence? maybe bro Picnic06 and some of our expert drivers in MCF can teach...

 

finally to answer TS question: its both driver and road problem. road problem can be solved by revising design etc, but driver attitudes cannot change overnight.

 

2 cents.

Edited April 23, 2018 by kdash

[Kopites]

firstly, we should give the driver the benefit of the doubt. although yes, lives were lost and emotions are running high, and there may be no "valid" excuse for the driver, lets wait for the results of the investigation before we judge him. in any case, the mistake has been made, and the driver would have to suffer the consequences physically (jail etc) and psychologically (living with the guilt for the rest of his life).

 

secondly, as an engineer by training, if the road and traffic light design can be improved to mitigate some of these accidents, it should be done. i had posted 2 options to revise the traffic light configuration for right turn at junction, and thats notwithstanding the various suggestions of the MCFers here on installing of overhead bridges and pedestrian tunnels. it may be more costly but i would rather pay higher GST to see this being done than some of the other "projects", if it means potentially saving lives... although with these installations, whether the garment would be seen as "pampering" the people here is debatable...

 

thirdly, since SG is a lawful country, why not make it mandatory for all new drivers to go through the defensive driving course maybe within one year of getting their licence? maybe bro Picnic06 and some of our expert drivers in MCF can teach...

 

finally to answer TS question: its both driver and road problem. road problem can be solved by revising design etc, but driver attitudes cannot change overnight.

 

2 cents.

how about even more harsher punishment. beating traffic light, speeding offence straight away suspension. 24points in 2years too lenient imo. I reckon any two offences within 10 years straight suspension.

 

Increase fine for all other minor offences to 2k, 3k, 5k or even 10k

 

So often we hear people saying as regards to summon. money not a problem. is the points. so for this group of offenders let make the financial punishment become a concern to them as well.

 

Accident involve death go in straight away. no trial.

 

our ride so expensive in the world. how about making the punishment for Traffic offemces most stiff in the world.

Edited April 23, 2018 by Kopites

[Victor68]

So, why are motorists rushing and speeding off from traffic lights? testing their engine power?

 

i am sure and hope i am right nobody wants accidents. like some bros here shared, some european cities also have similar issues. wonder if the same were experienced in rural areas.

 

then we shoukd look at what causes these change in driving habits  

[Beehive3783]

It has always been driver problem.

 

Sure, the system may have some flaws but you can't expect that to change as and when and one has no control over that.

 

The only variable factor is the driver.

 

1. Change the way you drive. Make sure and double confirm before you make that turn.

 

2. Stop somewhere if you are sleepy.

 

3. Drive defensively. Anticipate and identify rogue drivers and stay away from them. Anticipate unforeseen incidents in advance.

 

4. Foot always ready on the brake if you are not sure.

 

5. Lastly, never never assume. You can make assumptions on the not-so-serious matters in life, but not when driving. Lives are at stake.

[RadX]

Could not sleep after someone shared this from the Father of Kathy Ong, the victim at the Commonwealth Road accident

 

Sharing it here to ask those after reading who drive, to drive safer a little. And those who love to love a little more.... 

 

-------------------

 

Written by Keith Ong

 

Baby, when you wrote about your own death, Daddy felt it was so weird and inauspicious for a 19 year old to write such stuff...now, looking at you...I am thankful you wrote it. Its the closest i can get to hearing you cos i never had the chance to have a last word with you. i am glad i sent you fruits on Tue evening and we hugged each other tightly as that was the last time i got to hug you dearly in my arms. i know there are a lot more you have to tell daddy and mummy. i dont know how but i hope i get to see, hear and feel you soon...

 

 

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Saw this on my fb feed too and indeed, always make peace with your loved ones before you sleep or leave the house.. you never know when you will see them for the last time.  IT's gonna be a long healing for them.  Peace be with the family.

[Kopites]

It has always been driver problem.

 

Sure, the system may have some flaws but you can't expect that to change as and when and one has no control over that.

 

The only variable factor is the driver.

 

1. Change the way you drive. Make sure and double confirm before you make that turn.

 

2. Stop somewhere if you are sleepy.

 

3. Drive defensively. Anticipate and identify rogue drivers and stay away from them. Anticipate unforeseen incidents in advance.

 

4. Foot always ready on the brake if you are not sure.

 

5. Lastly, never never assume. You can make assumptions on the not-so-serious matters in life, but not when driving. Lives are at stake.

if cant educate the driver than I am all for stiffer punishment.

[DACH]

firstly, we should give the driver the benefit of the doubt. although yes, lives were lost and emotions are running high, and there may be no "valid" excuse for the driver, lets wait for the results of the investigation before we judge him. in any case, the mistake has been made, and the driver would have to suffer the consequences physically (jail etc) and psychologically (living with the guilt for the rest of his life).

 

secondly, as an engineer by training, if the road and traffic light design can be improved to mitigate some of these accidents, it should be done. i had posted 2 options to revise the traffic light configuration for right turn at junction, and thats notwithstanding the various suggestions of the MCFers here on installing of overhead bridges and pedestrian tunnels. it may be more costly but i would rather pay higher GST to see this being done than some of the other "projects", if it means potentially saving lives... although with these installations, whether the garment would be seen as "pampering" the people here is debatable...

 

thirdly, since SG is a lawful country, why not make it mandatory for all new drivers to go through the defensive driving course maybe within one year of getting their licence? maybe bro Picnic06 and some of our expert drivers in MCF can teach...

 

finally to answer TS question: its both driver and road problem. road problem can be solved by revising design etc, but driver attitudes cannot change overnight.

 

2 cents.

Not just defensive driving but also education on attitude and driving etiquettes.

Do away the my right of way and promote the give way mindset.