NS related deaths

[13177]

Yep....no blame culture

Forgive and forget and no blame culture must depend on who also. This theory only apply to certain group of people.

Edited May 15, 2018 by 13177

[RogerNg_185295]

Forgive and forget and no blame culture must depend on who also. This theory only apply to certain group of people.

Just heard 96.3 fm that family members were denied footage of how their son died.

[Vid]

SCDF NSF who died in pump well could not swim

 

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/scdf-nsf-who-died-pump-well-could-not-swim

Appears to be a known fact that he could not swim. This ragging to put someone in danger is unacceptable and I hope those involved are criminally charged. Send a clear message to those who thought it was just for “a bit of fun”

[Kopites]

The army boy died during a training but this poor boy died when some buddy wanted to have personal fun.

died during peace time and not front line already a big No No. should not has happen at all. army wasn't formed last year. All sop are there. is the human factors that caused the dead of these two service men.

 

As parent ourselves we always wondered can our loved boy defend himself. can our loved boy say No under pressure. we sent our boy to the army/service force to be trained and educated. Not sending him there to be bullied or torment. The perpetrator need to be put behind bars. SOP are there. if someone wanting to take matter into their own hands and not follow the rules than they should be punish harshly. my view.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Kopites

[RogerNg_185295]

Appears to be a known fact that he could not swim. This ragging to put someone in danger is unacceptable and I hope those involved are criminally charged. Send a clear message to those who thought it was just for âa bit of funâ

Problem is people at the very top often go unpublished. And investigations are rarely made public Edited May 15, 2018 by RogerNg_185295

[Atonchia]

Unfortunate if not sad event after earlier NSF first guards casualty , donât know what PR campaign mode the Govt will go into ??

I know a friends mother like so hysterical right now that her only son is in BMT last month currently and wants to pull him out

Donât know today if kids are strawberries or over protected or have events just gone wrong ??

 

RIP to the poor kid whom was going to ROD or ORD soon ; I donât remember having to go thru this ragging thing when we are ORDâing and no joke a .......12m water pit ( as what I read)!!

Don't think it's the era kids are brought up.

 

Feel it's the initiation that went wrong.

 

My unit during training also had one initiation death. Almost 20yrs ago. But was deemed self induced harm.

[Kusje]

The army boy died during a training but this poor boy died when some buddy wanted to have personal fun.

"Training" that doesn't follow the regulations or training program is not training. It is on the same level as this case.

[Datsun366]

Our happy memories.  

Now become nightmare. 

 

 

[Dleodleo]

SCDF NSF who died in pump well could not swim

 

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/scdf-nsf-who-died-pump-well-could-not-swim

I dun understand why they still throw him in on knowing that he couldnt swim. It is so deep! A non-swimmer would be panic! So sad... another innocent life being robbed away. Edited May 15, 2018 by Dleodleo

[kdash]

died during peace time and not front line already a big No No. should not has happen at all. army wasn't formed last year. All sop are there. is the human factors that caused the dead of these two service men.

 

As parent ourselves we always wondered can our loved boy defend himself. can our loved boy say No under pressure. we sent our boy to the army/service force to be trained and educated. Not sending him there to be bullied or torment. The perpetrator need to be put behind bars. SOP are there. if someone wanting to take matter into their own hands and not follow the rules than they should be punish harshly. my view.

sadly the ragging is also part of the "SOP"...

[Ender]

That's why i said if those NATO people really has the determination to change things, they can do something drastic.

 

But later they will say hurt the morale of the SCDF lah, cannot fight fire anymore lah, no esteem lah... all the bull shit comes out.

 

Need to wake up their freaking ideas lah.

I think  the incoming CEo of SMRT says that culture starts from the top.

[Victor68]

I dun understand why they still throw him in on knowing that he couldnt swim. It is so deep! A non-swimmer would be panic! So sad... another innocent life being robbed away.

[Lotr8445r]

Appears to be a known fact that he could not swim. This ragging to put someone in danger is unacceptable and I hope those involved are criminally charged. Send a clear message to those who thought it was just for âa bit of funâ

Putting someone who could not swim into water is like trying to kill him. What kind of lame excuse the murder is trying to give to get away with the law? Play ignorant?

[Lotr8445r]

I dun understand why they still throw him in on knowing that he couldnt swim. It is so deep! A non-swimmer would be panic! So sad... another innocent life being robbed away. ð£

 

Ch 8 news - phone interview with his cousin. She mentioned that he had been using float for all water related training in scdf.

 

Like that so obvious liao that he 100% cannot swim. Is his team blind?

Isnt it is obvious? They are trying to kill him.

 

I doubt the victim will die if they pull him out from the water while he is still struggling. Basically wait until he didnt move in the water then pull him out. What do you expect? See whether can revive him or not?

Edited May 15, 2018 by Lotr8445r

[Ash2017]

These are my personal observations:

 

1. SCDF - I am surprised that any person in any uniform group should had been taught at least the basic skill of swimming. Just how does one save someone trapped in a water filled environment. 

 

2. It amazes me that now the "top" act bodoh and start to blame everyone including SOP BUT themselves. They were young recruits before themselves and surely must have gone through similar or identical rituals eg university ragging.

 

3. Claim to be 1st death in SCDF but newspaper cutting showed otherwise.

 

4. Why these instructors / fellow regulars, trained themselves to save people's lives but put another person's life at risk so that they can have their fun? How can we be sure these individuals will put their training to work when called upon to save citizens lives.

 

5. After so many deaths (one is already too many) from the Army and Student (molest case), we just dont get it? Why only do something when something tragic happens? Individuals sacrifice their time and money including their lives and being disadvantage in real life when compared to their non NS serving counterpart.  How many parents live in fear once their son (only son or only child) crossed the camp gate. It doesn't end here. Many of us suffer injuries during our training and these injuries will come back to haunt us years later including our old age. These are on the job training injuries. Who pays for our treatment subsequently especially once we ROD? Many of us are suffering from knee and spine injuries. In the USA there is veteran clinic or hospital to take care of their citizens who sacrifice for the country. 

 

6. I really hope our authorities will look into the welfare our younger generation and not just pay lip service.

 

7. Truly a sad day for everyone who are a grandparent, parent, brother, sister, niece, nephew or friend. For those of you who are not parents, it is really really difficult to bring up a kid up to the age of 18 years especially a good kid. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Aaronlkl]

IMO, for those reckless or tekan death should be classified as murder case! Should 一命赔一命！

Edited May 16, 2018 by Aaronlkl

[Kar_lover]

IMO, for those reckless or tekan death should be classified as murder case! Should 一命赔一命！

 

At minimum manslaughter

[KoreanLover]

They need to make the top commanders liable. How can nobody at the top take responsibility when it is apparent that raggings have been around for a long time? They need to send a strong message to future commanders so that such practises can be eradicated thoroughly.