Auto car drivers, please skip the thread

[Creative_tec]

i drive a manual car and to me, its only a manual car where you can really "feel" the car...

[Kelpie]

feel manual car is most fun when driving in winding roads, one hand steer, the other hand on the gear lever. Compared to an Auto Civic, a Manual Civic is about 1 sec faster in a 0-100 km/h sprint. That's quite a lot of difference.

 

Manual cars can also be driven very smoothly, just as smooth as CVT cars, but more responsive. As far as comfort is concerned, it doesn't loose out to auto at all.

 

I'm just so used to it I never think about the clutch and gear shifts, so even in a traffic jam, it's nothing at all.

 

Auto cars with paddle shift and s-mode can be just as fun. Gear shifting can be achieved by finger tips. I used a combination of paddle shift and shifting of D to S (to/and/fro).

 

Alot of time, it is the driver that makes the difference rather than paper specification, particularly on street racing.

 

Regards,

[Kelpie]

There are manual and there are 'old school' manuals. Where the stick still shifts gear mechanically and is in direct contact with the drivetrain, not the 'electrically assisted' shifts.

 

The Sunny is one, the engine 'talks' to you through the stick. It's a dying breed. Wonder which other cars still have this in their M/T models? Real driver's cars. We should enjoy M/Ts while they last, before the future (Hybrids, electrics, etc) catches up. haha...

 

Haha...I drove this car before. Yap, we will see less and less manual in production in the near future.

 

Regards,

 

[Drive_carcar]

Just watched this prog on channel 8 where they drive around to have good food, this week's star ann kok drives a manual btw

You just gave me another reason to adore her....

[Kelpie]

You just gave me another reason to adore her....

 

She aged rather slower than the rest of the same batch. Zoe Tay really looks more and more motherly these days. Paisay, OT.

 

Regards,

[Drive_carcar]

feel manual car is most fun when driving in winding roads, one hand steer, the other hand on the gear lever. Compared to an Auto Civic, a Manual Civic is about 1 sec faster in a 0-100 km/h sprint. That's quite a lot of difference.

 

Manual cars can also be driven very smoothly, just as smooth as CVT cars, but more responsive. As far as comfort is concerned, it doesn't loose out to auto at all.

 

I'm just so used to it I never think about the clutch and gear shifts, so even in a traffic jam, it's nothing at all.

 

Auto cars with paddle shift and s-mode can be just as fun. Gear shifting can be achieved by finger tips. I used a combination of paddle shift and shifting of D to S (to/and/fro).

 

Alot of time, it is the driver that makes the difference rather than paper specification, particularly on street racing.

 

Regards,

Let's agree to disagree on this

 

There are two differences. The most obvious is the clutch, which I use to control the amoung of slip. The other is I can go from 5th to 3rd, 5th to 2nd, 4th to 2nd kind of downshift. For the paddle you can do the same, but it's sequentially, which I feel is a little awkward. Driving a manual, just rest my hand on the gear knob and I'll know instantly which gear I'm in. For paddle shift you have to refer to the display.

 

A MT Civic just pick up faster than an AT Civic, everything else being the same. It's not a paper spec thing, it's just that MT is lighter that's all.

[Drive_carcar]

She aged rather slower than the rest of the same batch. Zoe Tay really looks more and more motherly these days. Paisay, OT.

 

Regards,

It's genetics. Has nothing to do with whether one swallows or not I guess Paisay, OT on OT... hehe!

[Friendstar]

I'll only drive a manual, IF and ONLY IF, it is Porker's BMW 335.

[Kelpie]

Let's agree to disagree on this

 

There are two differences. The most obvious is the clutch, which I use to control the amoung of slip. The other is I can go from 5th to 3rd, 5th to 2nd, 4th to 2nd kind of downshift. For the paddle you can do the same, but it's sequentially, which I feel is a little awkward. Driving a manual, just rest my hand on the gear knob and I'll know instantly which gear I'm in. For paddle shift you have to refer to the display.

 

A MT Civic just pick up faster than an AT Civic, everything else being the same. It's not a paper spec thing, it's just that MT is lighter that's all.

 

Ok, agree to disagre e. To me, It is the driver not that 1 sec difference. To pickup faster from stationery, for FD2A, just downshift to S mode, the movement car move off, shift to s1, s2 and s3 and up shift back to D and fly. This is no secret. If F1 cars can use paddle shift and dash like crazy, I'm sure this should be the way to go .

 

Regards,

 

 

[macrosszero]

Actually for conventional torque converter type automatics it is common knowledge that it loses more power than a manual gearbox. So despite being able to select gears a la manual transmission, you are still losing power compared to a manual. However auto boxes are better for getting off the line quickly from a standstill.

 

F1 cars' paddle shifts are different - those are sequential manual gearboxes, and don't involve torque converters, but have clutches. They still require the clutch to move off from standstill but the gearbox is built to withstand changing gears without clutching in between gears.

[Kelpie]

Actually for conventional torque converter type automatics it is common knowledge that it loses more power than a manual gearbox. So despite being able to select gears a la manual transmission, you are still losing power compared to a manual. However auto boxes are better for getting off the line quickly from a standstill.

 

F1 cars' paddle shifts are different - those are sequential manual gearboxes, and don't involve torque converters, but have clutches. They still require the clutch to move off from standstill but the gearbox is built to withstand changing gears without clutching in between gears.

 

Not to dispute about the technicality. I always believe drivers play an important part in a sprint, be it auto or manual.

 

What I'm trying to say is paddle shift is used in F1 because it changes gear faster than conventional manual. Obviously, using finger to change gear is faster than using your arm power to shift up and down, left and right.

 

Thanks .

 

Regards,

[Hermitage]

Think F1 is now fully automatic isn't it? WRC still manual I think but they can shift without the use of a clutch.

 

Love manuals, that's the only way I'll ever ride! Not too sure about electronically controlled manuals (what cars have 'em??) but mine's a purist manual from 1984, so I guess that's as mechanical as you can get these days! Cannot tolerate auto cars, I find them extremely difficult to drive. Had one for about 5 months, crashed it and all I can say is good riddance to bad rubbish!

[Snowblind]

Agreed. The DSG type auto dual clutch gearbox does shift faster. But not widely available. I believe most cars here are sold with 4 speed gearbox when it should really be 5 or 6. My personal experience, I tend to pay more attention on the road conditions when driving a manual.

[Boyboy]

IMHO, it is just a matter of time that Manual gearbox will be a thing of the past. Even F1 cars and increasingly high-end car don't use manual gearbox.

 

Regards,

 

hmm.. that's like saying brooms will become a thing of the past, because we have vacuum cleaners. but i guess u must be a hardcore auto driver.

 

for me, i love driving a manual. auto is simply boring. i rather drive a slower manual car, than a faster auto car, unless i'm in some sort of big rush and just need the speed.

 

but i'm definitely in the minority. i actually love driving. not many people in SG do. and of course, not all who love driving have manual cars...

[Boyboy]

I drive a manual sirion and I can pace mazda 3 and even sylphy. It just gives me a sense of achievement.

 

those are slow cars

 

everyone who sits in my car thinks that my car is "fast". sometimes, they even ask if i have turbo. but no, it's just 1.1M nia, rev rev abit they THINK it's very fast

 

seriously, my car is slow lah. 14 seconds century sprint on a very good day . but maybe it just FEELS fast to the uninitiated

[Hermitage]

The new 911s and some other Porsches have PDK, which is a quicker, slicker version of DSG. But even the salespeople at Stuttgart do not really appreciate it. Sez they lack feel & involvement in the driving experience. It's like driving an electric car with no gears, just one setting...GO!!

[Boyboy]

Let's agree to disagree on this

 

There are two differences. The most obvious is the clutch, which I use to control the amoung of slip. The other is I can go from 5th to 3rd, 5th to 2nd, 4th to 2nd kind of downshift. For the paddle you can do the same, but it's sequentially, which I feel is a little awkward. Driving a manual, just rest my hand on the gear knob and I'll know instantly which gear I'm in. For paddle shift you have to refer to the display.

 

A MT Civic just pick up faster than an AT Civic, everything else being the same. It's not a paper spec thing, it's just that MT is lighter that's all.

 

paddle shift? urgh.. the main issue is the absence of a clutch.

 

tried the DSG before. brilliant gearbox but just not for me

[Auto_emocion]

For me , I can feel the car more with MT transmission. I know the max speed i can push for particular gear thus, i'm ok with flooring with certain gears.However, for auto, i might not be able to feel the car, as when i floor it, it will go up to gear 4. Thus, for me , it's the demand and control of power.

 

every car has its potential to max out, be it AT or MT.