Ma Chi speed

[Darryn]

I know the function exists -

 

I am more curious about whether Ma Chi specific camera had it, and if it was turned on. Are we also going to hear evidence about whether he braked.

 

What would also be interesting - how far back did it record? What else was he up to that night and at what speed.

 

[Pisces69]

Its a timely reminder for all the people who have fitted GPS-enabled (and to a extent even non-GPS) car cameras - it could well be used against you the owner in the event of an accident. You might not be in any shape to remove the memory card if it is serious enough. These cameras are like truth and justice - they fear and favour no one.

 

When i had an accident some time back my ins co offered a dashcam at a very good price.

 

I was tempted but declined cos it records my speed. I exceed speed limit most of e time so my dashcam wud actually b to my disadvantage.

[Sp4wn]

i wonder if his ferrari also got a black box le ... ? tried googling some keywords, but nothing came up

[Adrianli]

When i had an accident some time back my ins co offered a dashcam at a very good price.

 

I was tempted but declined cos it records my speed. I exceed speed limit most of e time so my dashcam wud actually b to my disadvantage.

 

U can buy a GPS signal blocker, it operates off the cig plug.

[Mustank]

U can buy a GPS signal blocker, it operates off the cig plug.

 

in view of the impending future, this is a must buy!!!!!!!

[TVT]

U can buy a GPS signal blocker, it operates off the cig plug.

What is that? How does it work???

[Adrianli]

i wonder if his ferrari also got a black box le ... ? tried googling some keywords, but nothing came up

 

Not sure if his Ferrari has it, but my made in korea car has it!!! Extracted from my car manual :

 

[Evillusion]

i wonder if his ferrari also got a black box le ... ? tried googling some keywords, but nothing came up

ya har...maybe like those aeroplane black box which even capture the conversation between the pilot, co-pilot and air-traffic controller. Maybe this instance no conversation but a lot of inaudible and heavy breathing sound!

[macrosszero]

Now the damm F.... Ma Chi's lawyers got nothing to say liao.......... what's there to argue now?

 

simi cannot see traffic lights? simi confused by the traffic lights? Of course Ma Chi cannot see the traffic lights.. He was travelling from 169km/hr to 178km/hr, for God's sake! How to see?? Put a big fat elephant in front of him, he also cannot see at this kind of speed.

 

I think even without the Ferrari in-car video, it was already evident that the car was travelling way in excess of the speed limit. If too-free HWZers can estimate the speed of the Ferrari with freely-available information, surely the Traffic Police will not want to sia suay and not give a decent projection of the car's speed.

 

I think the bone of contention that concerns everyone is the degree of insurance coverage - although there is FT xenophobia + discontentment about the very rich and what they think they can get away with, I hope this does not set a precedent for future insurance cases that affect every driver on the road.

Edited October 31, 2012 by Macrosszero

[Adrianli]

What is that? How does it work???

 

Google.

[Darryn]

Yeah - I think most would agree that what Ma Chi did is tantamount to deliberately causing an accident by ramming someone.

 

What I am most scared of though, if this case succeeds, then where will the boundary lie between "accident" and "collision"?

 

At 100km over the limit?

 

At 50?

 

Or maybe it will go by visibility?

 

Basically the slippery slope argument.

[Taipan49]

There is a way to record the telemetry of the 599 according to this: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322355

 

You get a nice 599 GTO box with instructions and USB stick that plugs into the glovebox (gets a bit crowded if you also have your ipod connected but they assume you're not doing this often!). You also have a little 'REC' button on the central console between the seats which you press to start and press again to stop recording. The system writes .txt files onto the USB stick. The stick also contains the software, PC only it seems, which you can install and then use to see your data.

 

When you run it (Telemetria GTO) and import a txt file, it asks if the run was a closed road ie circuit or an open road, so that it can review the data and ascertain lap times etc. Also asks about road conditions. Once loaded, there are 4 basic views of the data and I've included screen shots below.

 

1. Track your drive on the map, shows key data you'd see if you were driving the car - speed, rpm, VRE

 

2. Graph up to 4 channels from a selection of about a dozen or so (shown on the left of the screenshot), stepping through lap by lap, with all channels superimposed on the same graph. You can also add a bar graph of your lap times/speeds

 

3. Another graphing option, essentially same as (2) but with the 4 channels shown on their own axes

 

4. Final graphing option, to me most useful, is to compare two graphs of up to 4 channels each - to compare two different laps side by side

[Alechi]

Potentially many car insurance will not get payouts and drivers hauled to court to fight financially mammoth insurers. Sigh ... For those who agree AXA should not honour the insurance, I hope u see the pits below

[Sp4wn]

There is a way to record the telemetry of the 599 according to this: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322355

 

You get a nice 599 GTO box with instructions and USB stick that plugs into the glovebox (gets a bit crowded if you also have your ipod connected but they assume you're not doing this often!). You also have a little 'REC' button on the central console between the seats which you press to start and press again to stop recording. The system writes .txt files onto the USB stick. The stick also contains the software, PC only it seems, which you can install and then use to see your data.

 

When you run it (Telemetria GTO) and import a txt file, it asks if the run was a closed road ie circuit or an open road, so that it can review the data and ascertain lap times etc. Also asks about road conditions. Once loaded, there are 4 basic views of the data and I've included screen shots below.

 

1. Track your drive on the map, shows key data you'd see if you were driving the car - speed, rpm, VRE

 

2. Graph up to 4 channels from a selection of about a dozen or so (shown on the left of the screenshot), stepping through lap by lap, with all channels superimposed on the same graph. You can also add a bar graph of your lap times/speeds

 

3. Another graphing option, essentially same as (2) but with the 4 channels shown on their own axes

 

4. Final graphing option, to me most useful, is to compare two graphs of up to 4 channels each - to compare two different laps side by side

 

thats interesting ... so why didnt they do that? maybe they didnt check whether the car had the capability? normally for fast cars, the hdd is SSD? (i know mine has some sort of shock protection or something)

[Taipan49]

thats interesting ... so why didnt they do that? maybe they didnt check whether the car had the capability? normally for fast cars, the hdd is SSD? (i know mine has some sort of shock protection or something)

 

Maybe it was withheld or they didn't know. Maybe the case will turn out some answers.

 

But if he was recording his drives and uploading onto his PC, then AXA could build case there was a pattern to his behaviour.

[Taipan49]

Potentially many car insurance will not get payouts and drivers hauled to court to fight financially mammoth insurers. Sigh ... For those who agree AXA should not honour the insurance, I hope u see the pits below

 

The key to all this is whether the insurer is able to determine whether you wilfully broke the road rules or it was just an accident that the policy was designed to cover. In this case the driver was doing 3x the speed limit and they have the data to prove it. They shouldn't pay out for such a reckless and dangerous act. But it does set a precedent that could see insurers potentially challenging claims and these ending up court and using their financial muscle. Hopefully we don't get to that situation and that some sensibility sets in.

[Mllcg]

The key to all this is whether the insurer is able to determine whether you wilfully broke the road rules or it was just an accident that the policy was designed to cover. In this case the driver was doing 3x the speed limit and they have the data to prove it. They shouldn't pay out for such a reckless and dangerous act. But it does set a precedent that could see insurers potentially challenging claims and these ending up court and using their financial muscle. Hopefully we don't get to that situation and that some sensibility sets in.

 

insurance wont have to pay out by right to mr ma's family UNLESS they can prove he went to 180kmh BY ACCIDENT.. stuck accel or whatever

[macrosszero]

The key to all this is whether the insurer is able to determine whether you wilfully broke the road rules or it was just an accident that the policy was designed to cover. In this case the driver was doing 3x the speed limit and they have the data to prove it. They shouldn't pay out for such a reckless and dangerous act. But it does set a precedent that could see insurers potentially challenging claims and these ending up court and using their financial muscle. Hopefully we don't get to that situation and that some sensibility sets in.

 

There has already been one creative car rental agency that tried to pin the responsibility for a crashed rental car on the P-plate driver instead of lodging the claims with the vehicle's insurance company on the grounds that it was not an accident but a collision.