[Ahtong]

As always, two sides of thought.... one side dont want to rock the boat and keep incumbent political party and tge other side wants to replace it by all means...

 

Bro, this is a very black or white way of seeing thing.

 

Speaking for myself only as a grey person, I just feel the boat should drift upstream a bit

[Ungtiong]

just one thought...this is suppose to come from the media, even the online media failed and went for the popular "foreigners out" tagline. We are closer and closer to UK/US style media..SENSATIONALISM.

 

BUT both sides are correct, Singapore only survive because it is a 'stable' country. The price of being stable is what we have now (or had). Its like what some1 told me, u can either have fuel economy or performance, but never both (but it never stops us from trying to get both).

 

If one day the gov say with the addition of anothr 1 million foreign workers, the COE will be $5000, i bet majority of the driver will vote for the 1 million foreign workers. or if the the gov say they will remove 1 million foreign workers, but COE will be $200,000, majority of public transport users will support gov.

 

 

[Aventador]

By the eminent and erudite Vincent Wijeysingha. It's time for us to take a deep and closer look at ourselves.

 

... I draw evidence from the fact that this accusation has been published abroad in my colleague, Chee Soon Juan

[Felipe]

If the circumstances really called for it like u said was akin to going to war, the china drivers would not stop the strike after the china embassy talked to them. Those drivers didn't strike when SMRT increased their pay which was already a breach of contract. Going to war is a serious matter. U don't stop easily after going to war.

 

Would Singapore go to war with Msia if Msia agree to extend our water agreement beyond the current contract?

 

 

[Tjkbeluga]

Vincent Wijeysingha apologises to former PAP MP

Posted on Dec 7, 2012 8:12 PM Updated:

Edited December 8, 2012 by Tjkbeluga

[Ben5266]

Mainstream media mislead the simple minded people again. Hahaha....

[Kiario]

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Edited December 8, 2012 by Kiario

[Ngck]

I think your two sentence sound much simpler actually.... no matter how I look at it.

 

Yes it is, to ppl who take things at face value only.

 

 

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes it is, to ppl who take things at face value only.

 

Also applicable for people who do not understand what geologists and meteorologists do

[Ender]

Also applicable for people who do not understand what geologists and meteorologists do

 

[Manmaster]

Your argument of them being wrong by not going on strike after getting a pay raise is simply put idiotic, stupid, nonsensical and lacks basic human logic. Please stop embarrassing yourself further with such half baked posts.

 

If no wrong was done, why would there be an apology from the jailed china driver? I don't see the need for any apology when u've been jailed unless an apology can waive the jail term. U should not embarrassed yourself too by not using your brain....opps...do u've one in the first place?

[Manmaster]

No need to argue anymore......can we trust vincent's character after what he did? Why apologize? I can see his clique is here but I will NEVER trust SDP.

[PSP415]

This thread can soon be a mini "reference book" on who have brains, small brains, half-baked brains, no brains, missing brains, lost + found brains etc.

 

A proper and good discussion usually takes place when brains are present, that's a basic requirement. So, when brains matters start to be splashed all over each other with insults, all parties involved actually lost their credibility to participate because brains took a long break.

 

Agree to disagree.....if some stuff really gets your high blood pressure ups, off the computer and relax. Nothing much will change in the real world because most if not all of us, usually are not the ones effecting policy changes. Discuss not to win, discuss to share. If no one bought the discussion or your points, it's fine.....you are still in the comfort of your wherever....

 

I generally avoid politics on car forums.....because it's not simple to the brainful or brainless or half-brained....it's never meant for everyone because it brings headaches and migraines. The hidden agendas or guessing of hidden motives are always in shades of grey, seldom white or black.

 

Please, agree to disagree....we are different in many ways but yet, we are the same simply because we are all not perfect and very human. So, no need to trade insults.....it corrupts the brain and causes it to spew more meaningless childish chatter.....usually known as "noise".

 

 

Safe ride

Cheers

[CH_CO]

And again another short-sighted fellow loses sight of the plot and miss the target by a long shot.

 

Not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

 

Hilarious to see people totally fail to grasp what Vincent was actually articulating, and yet get so worked up over it.

 

Was it Darryn who said that many simple-minded people here can only perceive issues as either white or black, and do not have the intellectual capacity to look at the various shades of grey in between? Such an apt description for this Aventador fellow.

 

Like I said, the education system has failed us. Because it has churned out massive quantities of such people who can only see the straight and narrow. I'm just glad there are still intelligent, vocal and articulate people out there - and in this thread too, it hasn't disappointed after a long day - who are able to see beyond the lines drawn in the sand by the powers-that-be. Some people are so easily manipulated.

 

 

I beg to differ my dear fellow forumer , so how much have you done for the country? Short sighted? So what lines do u see beyond? Since you can see beyond the lines what have you done? Hide in a forum and talk as you are some genius when all you do is talk?

 

Be a do-er not a keyboard warrior. Manipulated? To me if something isn't wrong entirely , i wont bother to change the regime but if they are lax about how they handle those who put them in power then i would speak up as i have when i go for the meet the pap sessions. As for you what have you done? So how have lead by example? Far sighted? Tell me your plans for singapore? 5 year 10 year and 20 years plan , NON? Then don't talk so much.

[CH_CO]

Uncle Cerano, this is a rather leading question. It is a slippery slope assumption that professionals value $$$ above all and will just walk away if they are not happy. Maybe we can survey the docs here if they will just walk out in the middle of treating patients over some industrial dispute.

 

I know of one group of talents who will apparently walk out if they are paid too little but other than them, I think a country and its citizens really need to be more mature.

 

 

Comeon , walking out on a job and putting on a strike is essentially two different things. If a ER doctor is unhappy with his pay and stops treating his patient and goes on strike with no ample notice , if there isn't another "doctor" to replace him in time , the patient dies. Similarly if i choose to speak in that way , it is also subjective, it takes both hands to clap.

 

With more maturity or not , doesn't matter , it is unpractical to "strike" , if they aren't happy with their job , they can always quit also look for another unless they are admitting that they aren't able to find one. Then that's highlights the clear difference , those which are willing to work and those that aren't. A strike isn't economically practical in a state which has built stability via a tight law society.

 

It has kept us clear of plenty of dangers other countries faced , for those which have being to those places , you will find rampant corruption , racism , anti-religion and zero meritocracy. These are the stuff i see lacking in some countries where Singapore is still slightly better , not the best but bearable. In some countries where they have over thrown the regime what is left is more violence and rampant crimes , so do you want your home to there? Since if rule of law doesn't appeal to some here , why should others bother ?

 

Do be reminded that some of these countries are "matured" , so unless you tell me you have being to those places and agree to their way of life and maybe live there, then your statement would be fair. i believe having a common agreement on how things are done and if law is being uphold as such , unless you are able to hold office and change it or else , it isn't fair to disagree on things which many has agreed on.

 

For those which complain here without taking actions to remedy it? Isn't another way of proving to others that what most of us here are , selfish by nature , pushing others to die while i hide behind the keyboard hoping things would happen? It is always the few selfish ones here which think themselves before other which spoils everything. By the way , regime changes typically start with quiet protests before they turn violent

Edited December 8, 2012 by CH_CO

[Aventador]

After letting the dust settle and the comrades expouse their cheemunism ideals

 

Here is my own summary for everyone.

 

1) The PRC foreign workers broke the law in Singapore. There is no excuse for this, and they should and have been punished.

 

If any Singaporeans were in the land of the free - USA, and we broke a law there as a tourist/student/worker, I am sure we would be thrown in jail too - even if we did not agree with their law.

 

The PRC guys can say in China strikes is accepted. But when in Singapore, you obey the local law.

 

2) For the Singaporeans who support the strikes , and think it is ok to have some 'peaceful' unrest in Singapore, as there is no harm. I think you are entitled to your opinion.

 

My own opinion is that I treasure Singapore because it has ZERO tolerance for social unrest. A peaceful strike/protest can turn ugly in minutes if some radicals use it to spark off a riot.

 

I have children, so I want them to grow up safe. If the price to pay for my children's safety is a loss of some freedom, then I accept it.

 

3) Again to those Singaporeans who feel we should allow strikes if there is justification , please understand a little bit of how Singapore works.

 

At the moment, strikes are against the law in Singapore. This law was passed by the government of the day, which was the PAP. The PAP did not become the government by a coup, or by being appointed by Jesus.

 

The PAP became the government because the majority of your grandparents and parents voted them into power.

 

Perhaps your grandparents/parents saw that social unrest was bad for Singapore in the past, so during elections they voted the PAP because they believed in their policies. By electing them, they gave them the authority to make these laws, which outlawed strikes.

 

So if you now believe that this law is stupid, represses your freedom, destroys our humanity, destroys the ozone layer. What you should now do is to stand for election/vote for a political party that will promise to abolish this law when they form the government.

 

You should not encourage or support others, especially foreigners to break the law. Change the law instead.

 

4) I used to think 'just vote for anyone but the PAP' to show my displeasure at their policies.

 

But now i realise there ARE really worse options than the PAP like the eminent and brilliant Chee Soon Juan and his supporters.

 

I realized through this thread that SDP supporters are nuts and are extremely rabid and radical.

 

Give me tin pei ling over CSJ, at least she won't be able to mess up Singapore.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Aventador

[Fastfive1]

After letting the dust settle and the comrades expouse their cheemunism ideals

 

Here is my own summary for everyone.

 

1) The PRC foreign workers broke the law in Singapore. There is no excuse for this, and they should and have been punished.

 

If any Singaporeans were in the land of the free - USA, and we broke a law there as a tourist/student/worker, I am sure we would be thrown in jail too - even if we did not agree with their law.

 

The PRC guys can say in China strikes is accepted. But when in Singapore, you obey the local law.

 

2) For the Singaporeans who support the strikes , and think it is ok to have some 'peaceful' unrest in Singapore, as there is no harm. I think you are entitled to your opinion.

 

My own opinion is that I treasure Singapore because it has ZERO tolerance for social unrest. A peaceful strike/protest can turn ugly in minutes if some radicals use it to spark off a riot.

 

I have children, so I want them to grow up safe. If the price to pay for my children's safety is a loss of some freedom, then I accept it.

 

3) Again to those Singaporeans who feel we should allow strikes if there is justification , please understand a little bit of how Singapore works.

 

At the moment, strikes are against the law in Singapore. This law was passed by the government of the day, which was the PAP. The PAP did not become the government by a coup, or by being appointed by Jesus.

 

The PAP became the government because the majority of your grandparents and parents voted them into power.

 

Perhaps your grandparents/parents saw that social unrest was bad for Singapore in the past, so during elections they voted the PAP because they believed in their policies. By electing them, they gave them the authority to make these laws, which outlawed strikes.

 

So if you now believe that this law is stupid, represses your freedom, destroys our humanity, destroys the ozone layer. What you should now do is to stand for election/vote for a political party that will promise to abolish this law when they form the government.

 

You should not encourage or support others, especially foreigners to break the law. Change the law instead.

 

4) I used to think 'just vote for anyone but the PAP' to show my displeasure at their policies.

 

But now i realise there ARE really worse options than the PAP like the eminent and brilliant Chee Soon Juan and his supporters.

 

I realized through this thread that SDP supporters are nuts and are extremely rabid and radical.

 

Give me tin pei ling over CSJ, at least she won't be able to mess up Singapore.

 

This isn't a summary. Rather it's more of your opinion towards the post.

I agree with your view.

As mentioned earlier, this facebook article by vincent is no doubt well written in terms of using persuasive language and structure to conjure up emotions of the people. However, there are flaws in the arguments that he has put forth which you have addressed.

[Porker]

If no wrong was done, why would there be an apology from the jailed china driver? I don't see the need for any apology when u've been jailed unless an apology can waive the jail term. U should not embarrassed yourself too by not using your brain....opps...do u've one in the first place?

 

I was talking about going on strike after getting a pay raise and you flipped around and talked about the jailed bus driver apologizing.

Seriously you're one stupid idiotic individual. I think you should change your nick to ManIdiot